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Search: Cluedo, Guess Who?, Pictionary, The Neighbours board game, Ludo, Popomatic Frustration, chess, snakes 'n' ladders.

Destroy: Monopoly, Mousetrap, The Game Of Life (you can either go to university or you can have a career. You can't have both - very resonant).

Trivial Pursuit straddles both.

― Ben Mott (Ben Mott), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 11:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Search: Trivial Pursuit, Cluedo, Monopoly, Scrabble, Lose A Million, Ratrace

Destroy: Frustration.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 11:41 (twenty-three years ago)

In case you're interested:

weird board games
Christmas Ritual - URGENT HELP NEEDED!

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 11:46 (twenty-three years ago)

S: Pictionary, Frustration, Battleships, Guess Who,
D: Monopoly, Monopoly, Monopoly...

― Fuzzy (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 11:48 (twenty-three years ago)

the 'dot-com' monopoly vers is actually perversely funny when you realize that most of those companies don't exist anymore and may as well have always been fictional for the amount of profit they generated

― geeta (geeta), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 11:50 (twenty-three years ago)

S: RISK for god's sake!
D: Operation, because I was always rubbish at it.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 11:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Monopoly is classic, merely because it's such a ridiculous cash cow and you can get about 60 different versions of the damn thing.

Anyone up for Lancaster city centre Monopoly, on sale at my local WH Smiths?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 11:52 (twenty-three years ago)

S: Trivial Pursuit, Tribond, the Farming Game

D: "Family Feud," Pictionary, something called "The Broadway Game." takes forever to set up and longer to get going

― Heather (Heather), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 11:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Search: Nessie Hunt, a slightly bizarre board game where you have to search for information about the Loch Ness Monster.

Destroy: Monopoly. Anything else that takes hours to play and where noone can agree on the rules.

― caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 12:11 (twenty-three years ago)

search: "Lost Valley Of The Dinosaur Game". actually it's kind of boring, but good for a laugh in a watch people get eaten by dinosaurs kind of way.

search: "William Whyte's Irish Presidential Election Game".

search: "Condotierre" Again, it is a bit rub, but you have to love a game where a bishop periodically shows up and says "Theathe this thentheleth thlaughter"

― DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 12:35 (twenty-three years ago)

search-articulate
no one else seems to have this,its like pictionary but verbal
ie you have to describe the word on the card without using the word itself,obv,or saying sounds like,starts with,etc

i'm actually fairly sick of it at this stage,cause people always come to my house and want to play it,but it is a great game

dunno if boggle counts as a board game,but its quality,much better than scrabble

destroy-scrabble,cluedo

― robin (robin), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 13:52 (twenty-three years ago)

S: anything `POP-O-MATIC', my favourite being run rabbit run.
D: mouse trap - too difficult a task to set up

― james (james), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 14:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Search: Articulate, we've got it Robin and agree it's ace. Balderdash, hours of drunken fun, you're give random word that no one has ever heard of and everyone has to make up a definition, then they're all read out and everyone tries to guess the correct one. There are different catagories: Laws (In conneticut, it is illegal to...), Films (given a title, make up the plot), People (why are they famous) and acronyms.
Scrabble, Boggle, Poleconomy - like monopoly, but better, Go for Broke.
Destroy: Cluedo, Libel - Bill Roaches game about sueing the Sun, we bought it for a joke, Rapido - Pictionary with Modelling Clay, how stupid!

― Celeste (Celeste), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 16:07 (twenty-three years ago)

nice one,i was beginning to think we had the only copy of articulate in existance...

― robin (robin), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 16:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Search- Hannibal: Rome vs Carthage

fantastic, fun board game on the second punic war. combines elements of Go with card play, dice throwing and elephants crossing the alps. Nero makes an appearance!

― lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 16:19 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd forgotten about that Lost Valley of the Dinosaurs one! That was ace. Except the figures were the most horrible orange and brown colours imaginable.

― Lynskey (Lynskey), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 16:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Associated with the Lost Valley is Escape From Atlantis.

Many happy hours were spent with that as a young'un. Er, after modifying the rules to allow single-player, that is.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 17:10 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm a freak because I love Starfleet Battles!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 17:36 (twenty-three years ago)

CLASSIQUE!

Settlers of Catan, Cosmic Encounter, Illuminati, or any number of Steve Jackson games.

― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 17:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Steve Jackson's OGRE!!!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 19:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Search: Dealer McDope, Illuminati, Scrabble
Destroy: Tripoli (yeah, I know it's really a card game, but it's still annoying)

― J (Jay), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 19:21 (twenty-three years ago)

s: scrabble, boggle, pictionary, dingbats
d: trivial persuit, risk (and any of those other wargames)

― isadora (isadora), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 19:28 (twenty-three years ago)

"William Whyte's Irish Presidential Election Game"??

― Minky Starshine (Minky Starshine), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 20:19 (twenty-three years ago)

William is a friend of ours who among his many talents used to make board games (strictly indie, yo). The last time I was in Boston to see him was my introduction to San Marco, Through The Desert, The Settlers of Katan and Die Siedler Von Nurnberg. I never actually played WWIPED, but I'm assured it was excellent.

And I'm off to see him again in the next month. Hmmm...

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 21:13 (twenty-three years ago)

more searches: Modern Art, Princes of Florence, Royal Turf, Formula De.

― lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 21:22 (twenty-three years ago)

http://67.105.64.226/

Boardgamegeek website.

― lawrence kansas (lawrence kansas), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 21:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Search:Pass Out

Destroy: That bible game

― brg30 (brg30), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 22:15 (twenty-three years ago)

I like playing Monopoly with my son (7) but he loses interest after a while so the games never get decided. I also have to act as banker AND operate a team of animals (soft toys), putting on the appropriate voice for each animal (their personalities and accents were established about four years ago - everything has to be in character), so it's quite tiring as well. Snakes and Ladders was great but he's getting a bit big for that.

― David (David), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 22:42 (twenty-three years ago)

search: risk, masterpiece

destroy: checkers, and that game i always lose where you build a bridge across and the other person blocks your bridge

― Maria (Maria), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 22:50 (twenty-three years ago)

S: Diplomacy, Colonial Diplomacy, Robo Rally (wherein turns are taken all at once, as in diplomacy, but your commands to your robot are chosen from a hand of random cards, producing wildly amusing results at times) and Battletech if that counts (a little involved to be called a boardgame I suppose)

D: Any game not involving either robots or continental warfare

― Millar (Millar), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 22:55 (twenty-three years ago)

David's story is the best. do the little fluffy animals trade streets with each other?

― DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 12:54 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah, mousetrap fucking sux dix

― minna (minna), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 12:55 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes. They try to cheat as well. Sitting next to the bank is too tempting for some of them. They get punished if my son catches them at it though.

― David (David), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 12:58 (twenty-three years ago)

Search: http://www.tadpoletoys.co.uk/Picts/product.1007.gif

Pictionary with playdough!

Destroy: http://freespace.virgin.net/hidden.valley/careers-parker.jpg

Sister actually had this when we were kidz. Dull dull dull.

― robster (robster), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 13:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Spencer Chow is a freak.

― Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 14:07 (twenty-three years ago)

David, tell us more about these animals and their personalities.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 14:43 (twenty-three years ago)

yes, i want to hear about these too.

― rener (rener), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 15:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Star of the show is 'Too Late' a rabbit from Lancashire. Self-styled 'best animal' and 'supervisor' of the others. Pride is his downfall. He insists there's no such thing as kapok. When someone tells him he can't talk or move by himself he'll deny it...'well what's that round your neck then?'....'my collar'. 'Jumbo' is a small dalmatian dog, an aspiring but talentless singer. 'Moley' ('mind my spiiikes!!') is actually a hedgehog. 'Poppy' is another rabbit (a sort of Welsh farmer's wife stereotype). 'Peter' (also Welsh) a proud black horse who likes a drink. 'Foxy' is somewhat like Basil Brush in manner. He claims the finest chicken for miles around is to be had at New Taxas, Dalston Lane. 'Trudy' is a little white horse from London. She is proud of the tag sewn into her which has her name printed on it. There are plenty more. Every last one of them has a self-important buffoonish quality like characters in a Norman Wisdom film or old-fashioned sitcom. I get a sadistic pleasure in setting them up to be knocked down. And in setting one off against another. Probably informative for a psychoanalyst.

If there's sufficient demand I'll take some photos and post them up.

― David (David), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 16:25 (twenty-three years ago)

I think this requires a thread all of its own.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 16:28 (twenty-three years ago)

It ain't a board game but...

MILLE BORNES.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 16:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Destroy: Monopoly. Anything else that takes hours to play and where noone can agree on the rules.

Come on, sex can take hours to play, too. And no one can agree on the rules to that, either. But you don't see anyone complaining about it.

― Christine "Green Leafy Dragon" Indigo (cindigo), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 17:45 (twenty-three years ago)

I found it! Class Struggle sexy, no?
http://www.aardwolfgames.com/images/box/2985box.jpg

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 17:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Search: Kensington.

― Cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:11 (twenty-three years ago)

But I love Careers!

You get to go to uranium prospecting!

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Come on, sex can take hours to play, too. And no one can agree on the rules to that, either. But you don't see anyone complaining about it.

Point taken. But sex with someone who you can't agree on the rules with = dud.

― caitlin (caitlin), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Search: Acquire, Cranium, What Were You Thinking?, Mouse Trap's trap
Destroy: Rest of Mouse Trap

― Vinnie (vprabhu), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 19:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Starfleet Battles players = freaks among freaks.
http://www.sfbonline.com/images/ssd_graphic.jpg

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 19:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Point taken. But sex with someone who you can't agree on the rules with = dud.

That's too true.

― Christine "Green Leafy Dragon" Indigo (cindigo), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 20:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Class Struggle sexy, no?

OMG, Tracer, the rules of that game make even my veins run cold. "Genetic die."

S: Personal Preferences, by Parker Brothers.

Personal Preferences is ILE: The Board Game, I swear to god.

― felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 22:37 (twenty-three years ago)

David, when can we see pictures of the animals?

which ones cheat the most? is the whole point of monopoly so that your son can catch them cheating?

― DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 23 January 2003 11:03 (twenty-three years ago)

I WANT TO SEE PICTURES OF THE ANIMALS!!! [stamps foot]

― DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 23 January 2003 18:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Sorry, I've been offline today. The cheating part is certainly an important part of Monopoly because we rarely get past the initial tedious bit where you're just buying properties and getting back £18 rent here and there. I'm not sure when I'll have time to post pictures. I've got to take the photos first as well.

― David (David), Thursday, 23 January 2003 22:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Monopoly is such a boring game, but you have made it interesting.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 23 January 2003 23:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Destroy Rummikub!!! Education takes the fun out of games. It make me look stupid.

― Nickie (nickie), Friday, 24 January 2003 14:03 (twenty-three years ago)

Search: Settlers of Catan and expansions; Lord of the Rings and expansions; Evo; Lost Cities; Caesar and Cleopatra; Acquire; others from the Kosmos two-player series; of course, Scrabble.

Destroy: All of the horrid "gamer-geek" games that my S/O keeps trying to rope me into playing. (S/O is known for taking binders of rules of games to bed and reading rules rather than a regular book, having sex, cuddling, etc. Not a well person.

― LCD (Ms Laura), Friday, 24 January 2003 16:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Search : Scotland Yard

― bluesky, Friday, 24 January 2003 22:36 (twenty-three years ago)

search: all wooden block Columbia Games

― DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 27 January 2003 10:19 (twenty-three years ago)

David! I've been on tenterhooks for ages now. you must tell us more about those cuddly toys. Is there any way they could start posting to ILXOR?

― DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 6 February 2003 16:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, whenever I try to post, someone always says "Hey, you're a stuffed rabbit, you can't type". It's almost as if someone is afraid that I'll become more popular on ILX than they are.

*preens floppy ears proudly*

― Too Late, Thursday, 6 February 2003 17:29 (twenty-three years ago)

hullo, dirtyvicar. do you FAP??

― Peter The Horse, Thursday, 6 February 2003 17:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Hey, you're a stuffed rabbit, you can't type.

― felicity (felicity), Thursday, 6 February 2003 17:37 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm a board game addict (before I discovered music as a teenager, most of my spending money went to board games), so I couldn't D any of them. I'm no good at the war games (Risk, Stratego, and the Axis and Allies style games), alas.

I'm glad to hear that Ned is a Mille Bornesista, however. Next time you're in town, we will drink and drive!

― Chris P (Chris P), Thursday, 6 February 2003 18:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Who is impersonating my animals?

― David (David), Thursday, 6 February 2003 22:41 (twenty-three years ago)

I got civilisation the board game through today, it's based on the pc game or the pc game's based on it i'm not sure, but anyway it looks set to be classic although i've only had one game of it. I usedta love risk too, but now i don't. i think it's because of overplay though so i'd still say it's pretty great.

― Jeffrey (Danny), Thursday, 6 February 2003 22:46 (twenty-three years ago)

I consider boardgames to be a waste of time that could otherwise be spent in productive pursuits.

― Mr Cow, Thursday, 6 February 2003 22:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Wait, I thought Civilization (the Avalon Hill game) wasn't actually related to Civilization (the famous computer game).

― Chris P (Chris P), Thursday, 6 February 2003 22:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Well Mr Cow, I like boardgames, but I get a bit confused if they are too hard.

Hello Too Late! do you want to be my friend?

― Little Rabbit, Thursday, 6 February 2003 22:51 (twenty-three years ago)

The civilazation i have is by gibsons games so i guess it must be a different one. It kinda closely fits the pc game as well, researching all yr stuff and advancing through the ages and resources and whatnot so i guess it's not the same as the one by avalon hill. I think they may specialise in computer port-overs or summit because they're catalogue has one based on the pc game settlers too although it says that this board game came first and apparently they have others based on computer games and vice-versa.

― Jeffrey (Danny), Thursday, 6 February 2003 23:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Speaking of computer games/board games - anyone remember the Pac Man and Donkey Kong board games, with moving parts? Ace fun.

― Al Ewing (Al Ewing), Friday, 7 February 2003 00:28 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, all right. But if you're to be my new friend you have to agree that I am the Best Animal and that I win at Monopoly all the time. And you have to agree that there's no such thing as kapok. Do you play Monopoly? I'm very good at it.

― Too Late, Friday, 7 February 2003 09:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Hey, you're a stuffed rabbit, you can't type.

Of course I can type! We rabbits are very clever, you know. And I don't know what you mean by "stuffed", either. I'm typing this without any help at all.

― Too Late, Friday, 7 February 2003 10:21 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd love to play monopoly, and I'll do best not to get confused.

― Little Rabbit, Friday, 7 February 2003 12:35 (twenty-three years ago)

Don't be silly, you wouldn't be able to concentrate on a difficult game like Monopoly. I would not find it a bother to help you, but I have too many more important activities to engage in.

― Mr Cow, Friday, 7 February 2003 12:38 (twenty-three years ago)

three years pass...

any suggestions for horror games? I already have Betrayal at House on the Hill. i tend to take my horror with a bit of goofiness, which is why i'll probably get some of the Zombies!!! games before long.

― kingfish cyclopean ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 29 July 2006 06:01 (nineteen years ago)

http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic66187.jpg
http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic64110_t.jpg
http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic97113_t.jpg

― The Yellow Kid (The Yellow Kid), Sunday, 30 July 2006 06:31 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, there's nothing horror-y about the Buffy game, althought it's not a bad game. I haven't played FF but Powergrid (by the same guy) is pretty interesting.

Hey, so this is the thread where I rave about Modern Art. I mean, I am a total sucker for Knizia games but I got to play that one again today and it's just completely great.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 30 July 2006 06:33 (nineteen years ago)

which one?

― kingfish cyclopean ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 30 July 2006 07:03 (nineteen years ago)

Modern Art.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 30 July 2006 07:16 (nineteen years ago)

oh, that's the actual game name? hmm.

― kingfish cyclopean ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 30 July 2006 07:31 (nineteen years ago)

Aw, I wanted to read more from David's stuffed animals. And I swear I came in here because I was interested in reading what the board's thoughts were on board games. I have fond memories of Chutes and Ladders, Candyland, Operation, and Trivial Pursuit from my much younger days, and I always hated playing Yahtzee (not exactly a *board* game) and Uno (ditto) because I found both of them pointless. I remember a Sale Of The Century board game that I liked for a brief period of time, until we began to lose some of the 53,098,468 game pieces involved with that game and it was unplayable. But I want to go back to hearing more from those stuffed animals now.

― Phoenix Dancing (krushsister), Sunday, 30 July 2006 08:23 (nineteen years ago)

ok, found it:

http://boardgamegeek.com/game/118

I kinda dig the package art evolving with the times:

http://www.gamenight.com/images/modernart.gif http://www.boardgamecompany.co.uk/ModernArtBox.jpg http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic136108_sized.jpg

― kingfish cyclopean ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 30 July 2006 14:09 (nineteen years ago)

Search: Scene It?, Wise and Otherwise, Scrabble, Probe, Set, Cranium, Trivial Pursuit, Apples to Apples, Chess, and - for the kids - Cadoo, Crododile Dentist, and Sequence for Kids

Destroy: Chutes and Ladders, Parcheesi, and Sorry

― Sara R-C (Sara R-C), Sunday, 30 July 2006 14:16 (nineteen years ago)

remember, folks, when choosing a boardgame, also choose the correct partner:

http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic50151.jpg

http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic49072.jpg

http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic103911.jpg

http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic68676.jpg

http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic107944.jpg

http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic121858.jpg

http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic37464.jpg

― kingfish cyclopean ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 30 July 2006 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

Frustration is utterly marvellous entertainment, and is about the only game my mum plays that isn't Scrabble.

Guess Who is great if you make up new rules. I once spent a fantastic afternoon in a pub with several ILXors playing a version which eschewed "does this person have red hair" questions in favour of "does this person look like the sort of person who throws his keys into the bowl at wife-swapping parties, but leaves early, wracked with self-loathing when nobody chooses him for a bit of sordid fun?" and "does this person like cock?". We then made up backstories for all of the characters. Stereotyping frenzy, obviously, but really good fun.

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 30 July 2006 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

Does anyone remember the "You've been Framed" board game which came with free video? You could only play it once......

― JTS (JTS), Monday, 31 July 2006 18:39 (nineteen years ago)

I have the middle version of Modern Art.

Ra is on its way. I am a total Knizia sucker, have I mentioned that enough times?

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 31 July 2006 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know if this counts as a board game, but I sort of like the idea of the "How to Host a Murder" games. That being said, the one time I participated in that sort of game, it turned out that my character was not only the murderer, but also a prostitute!

― Sara R-C (Sara R-C), Monday, 31 July 2006 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic49072.jpg

^^^ awesome

― Allyzay knows where the interfacing goes. (allyzay), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

i think that's the same pug as here:

http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic49786.jpg

― kingfish cyclopean ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

I still wish David Huntsman's animals would show their faces, but that little fellow kind of makes up for it.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

Pirate and Traveler

and

http://www.puzzlemethis.com/puzzle/images/thumb/WMN31033_THM.jpg

― Damn, Atreyu! (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 16:51 (nineteen years ago)

i remember seeing this game in the hobby shops as a youth, but i took a closer look at the cover, and guess who's on there:

http://files.boardgamegeek.com/bggimages/pic56809_sized.jpg

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/game/99

game was released in 1986

― kingfish trapped under ice (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 12 August 2006 05:52 (nineteen years ago)

and the altered version

― kingfish trapped under ice (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 12 August 2006 05:59 (nineteen years ago)

I don't remember Iraq playing much of a role in that game, but I only played it once. I might be wrong.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 12 August 2006 07:57 (nineteen years ago)

four years pass...

I played Games Workshop Aliens rip-off SPACE HULK for the first time in over a decade the other night - fun game! Tactical and nervewracking. Whoever was controlling the genestealers (we alternated) won three games out of four.

― Inevitable stupid dubstep mix (chap), Monday, 7 February 2011 23:21 (fifteen years ago)

seven years pass...

this video is v funny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx8sl2uC46A

― niels, Friday, 5 October 2018 16:59 (seven years ago)

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