TS/C or D: Piccadilly vs Jubilee vs Central vs Victoria etc Lines

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C: Metropolitan (largest trains, lots of breathing space, whizzes from zones 5 to 2 in a matter of minutes) and Jubilee (superb noise as the train leaves, crazee new outer doors nicked from the Nanboku line in Tokyo)

D: Piccadilly (erratic gaps between trains leading to huge swathes of people for a few trains before utter quietude) and Circle (do these trains actually exist ?)

Darren, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 15:46 (twenty-three years ago)

Incidentally, this firefighters' strike is superb: three stations closed and a journey into work six minutes quicker than usual !

Darren, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 15:48 (twenty-three years ago)

C: All the not-actually-underground bits. The Picadilly for the lovely old tiling on the walls - at Arsenal the tiles still say "Gillespie Road" even though it's not been called that for about 80 years.

D: The Bakerloo, which is just a bit pants really.

caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 16:01 (twenty-three years ago)

s: jubilee, even though it goes nowhere i want to go. victoria, quickest and best

d: district obviously, the 253 as tube. victoria again --- too hot!

gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 16:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh gawd, not another Londoncentric thread....

smee (smee), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 16:05 (twenty-three years ago)

i don't really use the tube these days - for a start i live in streatham, where there is no tube, and secondly it gives me claustrophobia. i only use it if i'm in a hurry.

i'm sentimental, though, about the metropolitan line, which i sometimes took out to hillingdon to catch the oxford tube. lovely big carriages :-(

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 16:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh gawd, not another Londoncentric thread....

Classic: the Glasgow Subway!

Dud: the low-level

caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 16:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Bring back Merkland Street!

Dud: shutting at six o'clock on Hogmanay.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 16:12 (twenty-three years ago)

It shuts at six every Sunday too, which is a right bastard.

caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 16:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Destroy: The District Line at Earl's Court station, where not only is it the most confusing intersection evr, there are fuck all maps and no electronic signs.

Graham (graham), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 16:47 (twenty-three years ago)

I like all these threads. It helps to reminds me that London is not the buzzing cultural centre of the world after all but just a place where people go on about buses and trains.

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 16:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Hmm - thinks. I'm off to a buzzing cultural event today. How shall I get there?

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 17:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Dud: Any overground service. Connex Bloody South Eastern who couldn't run rail services if the fate of their children depended on it. Silverlink trains which only run every 20 minutes and not very much at all on Sundays, leaving me lost and stranded in West Hampstead.


Classic: the lovely fast Vicoria line. The northern line, because you get the most interesting people on there. You can also guess exactly which stop someone is going to get off on the bank branch just by what they're wearing. So:

Mullet, parka, distressed denim - Old Street
Expensive suit, look of stress - Bank
Ministry of Sound record bag, Ministry of Sound other promotional clothing, Ministry of Sound look of stress - Elephant and Castle.
Text books, UCAS forms, where-the-hell-am-I-going look - Angel

Anna (Anna), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 17:12 (twenty-three years ago)

So you're saying the most interesting people are the most easily stereotyped?

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 17:15 (twenty-three years ago)

The most interesting people get off at Euston, Camden or Kennington, or they use the Charing Cross branch.

Anna (Anna), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 17:19 (twenty-three years ago)

B-B-But Graham - the destination indicators at Earls Court are uber-Classic. Once you get your head around how the concept works, it's simplicity itself.

Classic - Victoria Line as has no drivers and makes banshee howl as goes very fast.

Classic - Jubilee Line for da Architecture

Classic - Northern Line for having the word Northern in it and taking me to London Bridge on my way home every day. (PS - Anna - what do people getting off at Moorgate look like? (insert joke about who cares, as they are all suffering from eye problems and have little concern for fashion))

Dud - Piccadilly. Boring snoring. Almost redeemed by Ghost stations, but not enough in my book. Rubbish cars.

Dud - Edgware Road (Circle line etc) as you always get held up there and they don't advise you which train is going to be going through the junction ahead first (unlike Earls Court, where the board helps you work that out).

Dud - Awful noise made by East London Line and Met Line trains as they appear to recharge their compressors. V grating.

Dave B (daveb), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 17:20 (twenty-three years ago)

I do really like the indicators, it's just you have to go and study a map before every train arrives to see if it's going where you want, and instead of having big maps one the opposite wall, you have to traipse down to the othere end of the platform to figure it out.

Graham (graham), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 17:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Classic =

* Picadilly Line between Hammersmith and Osterley. Espacially the section up to Acton Town, you get to whizz past the District Line stations, and sunset over Chiswick is just so beautiful.
* Hammersmith and City Line between Hammersmith and Ladbroke Grove, you get to see Goldhawk Road, Sheps B, TV Centre, warehouses, the north circular, gritty urban skylines.

Dud =

* All the underground bits, as I hate it when the train stops in a tunnel, and have been close to panic attack status a few times lately. I start playing snake on my mobile, which seems to calm me down, and have this immense feeling of relief when the train starts moving again.

jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:00 (twenty-three years ago)

C: Hammersmith & City - pleasant carriages, quite quiet, rarely crowded. This is my journey to & from work every day.

D: Central - always seems crowded, very noisy running, unbearable in hot weather.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 19:43 (twenty-three years ago)

(And now, to reverse some of my thread-introducing comments ..)

Dave B: you're so OTM about the rattling noise of the Met trains. When I lived in Rayners Lane I used to despise the way it would render my walkman-listening efforts completely hopeless, particularly as it was always a 'good bit' that it would deluge.

And the ghost stations bit ..hhmmm.... I could start a thread just about that itself. Piccadilly line- yay ! Down St (btwn Hyde Park Corner and Green Park), Brompton Rd (btewn Knightsbridge and S Kensington) and York Rd (btwn King's X and Cally Rd) are all visible after over 75 years of disuse .. (kind of)living museums ahoy !

Jel mentioned being stuck inside a tunnel (cf: aztec camera !). The 'feeling of relief' he described is so palpable across the entire carriage, you can almost feel a giant swell of breath being taken in. It can be overwhelming !

Darren, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 19:52 (twenty-three years ago)

C: Picadilly from Heathrow to Cockfosters...Cockfosters being the first sign I saw on arrival at London and immediately felt I was in Dan Perry's version of London...

Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 19:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Anyone know what happened to the time indicators on the Victoria Line? I suspect they just switch them off whenever it gets 'erratic'

dave q, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 20:04 (twenty-three years ago)

C: Northern line,'cos I worked on Highgate Station for six months and all the staff were really cool.I tiled the station concourse floor,took forever!And if you go through the staff canteen,you can get to Highgate's very own 'ghost station' complete with platforms and offices,etc.Great for dossing on company time!

D:Not a line,but a station.Kings Cross,as it has the most uptight,miserable staff I have ever encountered on the many day and night shifts I have worked on the network.The pompous twats wouldn't even let us use the staff bogs.So I pissed in their tea urn.

And did you know that the big,chunky rubber door seals on the new tube trains are not,as you may think,there to protect you from injury if the doors close on you,but are in fact designed to fuse together in the case of a train fire,sealing the flames inside the carriage and preventing any damage to Big Ken's lovely tube network.Bit of insider info for ya!

Eugene Speed (Eugene Speed), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 21:13 (twenty-three years ago)

C: victoria line is best cos it is quickest. i've been loving the jubilee line quite a lot since moving, mostly because i almost always get a seat in the mornings and am never ever crushed, whereas i was always fighting for air on the northern line from hampstead onwards.

D: as anna says the silverlink is evil, because it only runs every 20mins and (mostly) because i (when sober!) left my hat and lovely sheepskin gloves on there last week and have been even closer to freezing to death ever since.

also the circle line is astonishingly bad - from the map you'd think that gloucester rd - edgware rd would be easy, but in practice it's almost always quicker to walk.

toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 22:51 (twenty-three years ago)

If we are including BR (as it was), then I'd say the North London Line! Acton Central to Richmond, or Acton Central to Hampstead Heath! *sigh*

jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 22:55 (twenty-three years ago)

Jubilee. I built it, after all. Although the Metrolink is infinitely superior.

Tag, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 23:09 (twenty-three years ago)

I agree with Marcello. I can't stand the Tube these days. Not using it cuts my monthly travel expenses in half and I find buses a much more pleasant form of travel albeit considerably slower.

David (David), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 00:10 (twenty-three years ago)

hey jel, totally agree about the North London line aka Metro Silverlink - it roolz, and its actually quite quick if you want to get to the east side of town without going thru the centre too...i use it whenever i need to get to Camden too - prone as i am to panic attacks (or indeed fear of panic attacks) on the underground itself.

i'd like a South London equivalent really, something to connect Richmond, Brixton and Lewisham would be tip of the top.

if only they could build an Elevated Monorail in London...

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 00:17 (twenty-three years ago)

I do really like the indicators, it's just you have to go and study a map before every train arrives to see if it's going where you want, and instead of having big maps one the opposite wall, you have to traipse down to the othere end of the platform to figure it out.

not if you've lived here all your life and consider the tube map one of the greatest works of design art of the 20th century...as i do, hehe

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 00:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Classic = the District Line connections to Richmond and Wimbledon cos they go over (as opposed to nastily under) the Thames.


Dud = the Central Line from White City to Shepherds Bush - just one stop and about 12 minutes walk but i swear it does a loop da loop three times given the way the train crawls round an extreme curve for what seems like 5 minutes...it just doesnt add up

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 00:24 (twenty-three years ago)

"It shuts at six every Sunday too, which is a right bastard"

Tell me about it, I was working late one Sunday, got on the tube and it terminated in f*cking Govan, had to get a bus home from Govan, it was creepy - I had the ph34r!

smee (smee), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 09:09 (twenty-three years ago)

The North London Line (as pro-people call it) or the Silverlink Metro (is naysayers would have it) is very much a line of two halves. If treated as a vital tube then its twenty minutes waiting time and erratic trains are very annoying. If treated as a sleepy branch line which goes to all the places you want to go without going through the places you don't - its grebt.

Also in the old days (and still to some extent today) its a fare evaders paradise.

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 10:21 (twenty-three years ago)

nothern line roxx u r all gay!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 10:33 (twenty-three years ago)

stevem = otm!

haha Pete is otm re: fare dodging on the Norf London Line(not that I ever did any!)

and I used to live only 3 minutes from Acton Central! I'm getting all nostalgic now. The NLL runs behind my old house, but I think they have put overhead cables up since we moved.

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 10:42 (twenty-three years ago)

I used to live opposite the station on the Cally which meant going to Camden took about three minutes and cost nothing.

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 11:02 (twenty-three years ago)

And if you go through the staff canteen,you can get to Highgate's very own 'ghost station' complete with platforms and offices,etc.

Isn't that outdoors and above the tube station itself? I think it was used by Finsbury Park - Alexandra Palace trains in the dim and distant past.

Dud = the Central Line from White City to Shepherds Bush - just one stop and about 12 minutes walk but i swear it does a loop da loop three times given the way the train crawls round an extreme curve for what seems like 5 minutes...it just doesnt add up

This bit has a rather bizarre layout because before the line ran west of Shepherds Bush the trains ran round in a loop instead of reversing. A bit like at Heathrow, but on a very tight bend. You might not have noticed, but by the time you reach White City the two lines have crossed over each other so the trains are running on the right-hand track. They cross back over again near Wormwood Scrubs.

caitlin (caitlin), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 11:35 (twenty-three years ago)

NLL = Rolling asylum

Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 11:44 (twenty-three years ago)

There is a station overground by Highgate too - which I assume might have been the Finsbury Park Ally Pally line (there is also a great tunnell up there at the end of the countrytside walk which you can get in and is really spooky and a great place to dispose of dead bodies.

Ahem.

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 11:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Highgate High is the station. I went there with two friends and we asked the station guard whether we could have a look. He looked at us as if we were mad, but seemed to be reassured that we didn't have the look of terrorists, nor the outward signs of trainspotters.

He let us up there, and seemed glad, as it enabled him to have a fag. Was ded ded gud. The tunnels are sealed at the Northern end now, and have lots of rare bats in them, and look like the batcave seeing how lots of ivy hangsover the gates.

We went out, and got into those tunnels. It was raining, and was by now 6pm and thus very dark. I got scared - wondering why one gate was locked with a big fuck off padlock, and the other was open, and started to feel like I was in Scooby Doo. I was not displeased to repair to the nearest boozer to warm up.

Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 11:58 (twenty-three years ago)

WOuld the nearest boozer be the Shepherds? (Nice boozer but too much chance of seeing members of Coldplay in there).

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 12:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Why would that be a problem?

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 12:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Pete - can't remember - just had a dartboard and a fire, which was good. Also had appalling decor near the bar area - sort of Swiss style roof over the the bar itself and balustrates on the wall. Odd.

Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 12:12 (twenty-three years ago)

That's the bunny. Not a bad pub - though we believe it may be Under New Management.

(I've never understood why a popular pub would advertise it was Under New Management, Its like saying, that decent landlord has left, so don't bother).

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 12:15 (twenty-three years ago)

The Central Line switches tracks between Shepherds Bush and White City because the trains used to terminate at Wood Lane station before White City was opened in (I think) 1947. The trains would go around in a loop. The old station doesn't exist any more but remnants of one of the platforms that went through to Ealing and Ruislip can be seen when the city-bound train enters the tunnel a few seconds after leaving White City.

As for Highgate - there used to be an overland line running from Finsbury Park to Alexandra Palace via Highgate which was due to be incorporated into the Northern Line after WW2 (it can be seen in tube maps of the time) but was shelved what with rationing and all that. The line was eventually removed in 1954 (?) and is now the Parkland Walk between FP and Highgate.

Darren, Wednesday, 22 January 2003 15:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Finsbury Park to Ally Pally = The Northern Heights which featured in this thread.

Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 15:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Hmm, I wuv Parkland walk. I live twenty yeards from it.

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 15:10 (twenty-three years ago)

C: Jubilee, for silver and space-age and East London, because it feels like a secret. Picadilly sometimes, for expectation.

D: The vague confusion of the overlapping Circle/Hammersmith/Metropolitan. Central in town. Victoria in summer.

Ally C (Ally C), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 17:20 (twenty-three years ago)

haha the guys in the ministry of sound gear are actually going to THESE records

zemko (bob), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 19:26 (twenty-three years ago)

i always loved docklands light railway

earls court is indeed the hellmouth. proof: it is the hole in the ground from which people from putney emerge

zemko (bob), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 19:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Better than Highgate for disused Tube stations is the one we called 'Area 51' when we worked on the tunnels on the Bakerloo line.We gave it this name because just about everyone we asked seemed to be in denial that it existed!It isn't really a station in the sense that it was used by the public,but it's there!Between Oxford Circus and Regents Park on the Bakerloo line is a small platform with no lighting(none that we could find,anyway)and some heavy doors that must have been locked from the other side.There are no signs,posters,tube maps or anything that would be found on any regular station platform.It looked like some sort of service or engineers access,and was covered in grime and dust.But I am a nosey git,and had to have a poke about.At the far end of the 'platform' was some accumulated rubbish that had been blown along the line and was building up in one corner.I swept my foot through it and kicked out a tape reel,like the ones used on old reel-to-reel tape players!It was labelled with a date(17th march 1978)and had a BBC logo on it.It seemed an odd thing to be there,there was no way it had been blown along with the various sweetie wrappers and newspaper.I assumed that someone had chucked it out of a train window,and threw it back in with the rest of the trash.
Back at Oxford Circus when we ended our shift,I told my SPIC(sorry,Site Person In Charge,or he-who-does-not-a-lot-but-gets-twice-my-pay!)about the mystery platform,and he came up with the answer straight away!Apparently,the platform I had been snooping about on was an emergency escape from Broadcasting House,home of the BBC!This all made sense when I looked it up on a map,the Bakerloo line runs right alongside the building.On returning to Oxford Circus the next nightshift,I asked the station supervisor about the platform,but he just told me there was nothing in the tunnels between his station and Regents Park!I asked if he had been down there,he said no and walked off!This seemed to be the common answer from any staff that I belived should know the tunnels,and this uniform denial is what made us name the platform Area 51!But a friend of mine who used to be an engineer at the BBC asked a few of his old workmates about the 'secret' station,and we got an answer that seemed to fit.Under the BBC building are the 'bunkers',underground studios that were built during WW2 for wartime broadcasting which are now part of Broadcasting House's basement area.From what I am told,there is a staircase that goes down a few flights,and ends in a brick wall.From this point,the dull growling of passing trains can be heard!Considering how useful the Underground was during the War,and the obvious target that the BBC must have been to the Bosch,it would make sense to have an escape route between the two.
I have yet to have this story confirmed by any LUL staff,and cannot find any record on official maps or plans provided to contractors when working on the tunnels.I haven't worked on the Tube for over a year now,so I can't get back into the tunnels with a camera to take some pictures.But I can tell you...THE TRUTH IS DOWN THERE!!!

Eugene Speed (Eugene Speed), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 23:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i'm still wondering what zemko's problem with putney is...

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 23:04 (twenty-three years ago)

I've read rumours of this before on those subterranea type websites and newsgroups but never anything so concrete as what you're claiming. Are you sure you're not making this up?! Actually the bit about the tape reel is one detail too far. Why would the BBC dispose of its rubbish by lugging it down there?

David (David), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 23:06 (twenty-three years ago)

I've worked on the network several times through RJC Contracts,refurbing all sorts of areas including platforms,machine rooms,tunnels etc.I have been lucky enough to have seen many,many amazing things that most of Londons inhabitants and visitors would never even have known were there.Whole disused tunnel sections that still have bedframes and tin food cans from the war can be found in many locations.Entire trains that have been parked up and simply left to rot in some remote underground siding,some with interior lighting that still works when the lines are powered up.There are countless disused tunnels,platforms,service ducts etc,and I have many 'trophies' that I have laid claim to when I have found them lying around down there!Signs are the best finds,they can be sold to collectors for quite reasonable amounts.If you have a delicate touch,removing tiles is another good cash generator.Rail enthusiasts pay handsomely for original LUL tiles if complete logos or station names can be obtained.If I ever had the job of tiling over existing tiles,I would always make an attempt to remove the old ones first if they bore any logos.Old tube maps,advertising hoardings and posters can all be found dumped and discarded in the tunnels.There is loads of swag to be had if you are a skip-rat like me!The tape reel was about nine inches in diameter,the BBC logo was very clear on the label,and the date was written clearly.Remember,the tunnels are in constant use and are quite warm and dry,so stuff generally stays in good nick down there.I dont think the BBC was dumping things down there,I didn't notice anything else lying about apart from the usual rubbish that accumulates when caught in the draught from the trains.That is why I thought it must have been thrown out of a passing train,I had no idea that Broadcasting House was right above me!It was only the various bits of info gleaned from other subbies,and the description of the basement studios from the former BBC guy,that made us belive that this was a 'secret' escape from the building above!I dont really care what it is or was,it just fascinated me as does the rest of underground London.One of the other secrets that I have heard of are sub-street level sheds containing old trolleybuses!These sheds are all shut off from the world above,but still contain relics of the past!As with the Tube,most of the time it is cheaper to just stuff the disused tunnels or depots with unwanted decommissioned rolling stock,machinery,equipment and other crap that would be too bulky or expensive to bring to the surface.I bet there are many people who work on the Tube with similar stories to tell,and I know that a lot of the guys I have worked with have liberated otherwise unwanted items from the depths below!I know of one bloke on the night tunnel gangs who removed an entire sliding door from the driver's cab of a disused train,hauled it up the escalators and out through the station concourse,and tying it down on the back of his flatbed Transit!Amazingly,not one LUL staff member asked him what he was doing or where he had got it from!He sold the door to a rail fan for £150,not bad for an hours work!
If you ever get the chance to have a poke about on any disused parts of the Tube,take your time to have a GOOD look.There could be stuff that hasn't seen the light of day for decades,perfectly preserved for you to borrow permanently!
As for making it up,go to Regents Park and speak to the station supervisor.Ask him/her about the BBC stop in the tunnel,and see what kind of answer you get.Better still,if you can really be bothered,hang about Oxford Circus at station closing time and ask one of the subbies if they know anything.Usually a large polystyrene cup of tea from a local take-away is a useful bargaining tool when dealing with nightworkers,but don't ask if they will take you down for a look yourself.LUL are very,very fussy about who gets onto the trackside after hours,even more so since certain elements of our society see the Tube as a target for their political/religious protests.If you get nabbed on any LUL property without a photo ID card,and not signed in,you will get to meet the nice chaps from the British Transport Police,and they take no shit from anyone!Be warned!

Eugene Speed (Eugene Speed), Thursday, 23 January 2003 01:14 (twenty-three years ago)

"Speed", eh?

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Thursday, 23 January 2003 05:27 (twenty-three years ago)

Eugene is correct on this matter, i have from other train line working friends.

Pete (Pete), Thursday, 23 January 2003 10:38 (twenty-three years ago)

Victoria line: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2686441.stm

Most definitely dud. And why don't all victoria line trains go to Walthamstow?! I'm sick of having to cram into a carriage at Kings cross, to have to do it all again, but most times even more crowded, at Seven sisters. Or hang around the platform at KX for up to 9 mins waiting for a through train to arrive that I can fit on.

Vicky (Vicky), Thursday, 23 January 2003 11:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Mail Rail: Royal Mail's private underground railway is quite cool, but they're shutting it at the end of march.

Vicky (Vicky), Thursday, 23 January 2003 11:44 (twenty-three years ago)

she's right you know, The Victoria service to the Stow from Kings x has been abysmal in the last few weeks. Piccadilly from Heathrow to Finsbury Park is a doozy though, 28 stations of fun.

As I've said before, the view from the Central line platform at Greenford is a corker.

Destroy the Distrct line, it's pants. The Met line is great if all is working fine, but if you're going a long way on it and there are problems, it can be hellish, Harrow on the Hill station is really really cold. And the staff there are useless too, they pointed me to the wrong train this morning and I nearly ended up in Chesham. And missed and Uxbridge train into the bargain.

chris (chris), Thursday, 23 January 2003 13:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Then there's the Bull and Bush near Golders Green. Not fogetting the aborted Northern Line relief line which is now mostly the Eisenhower Centre on Chenies Street.

Eugene - ever seen this?

Dave B (daveb), Thursday, 23 January 2003 13:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Classic North London Line and DLR and the little fold down seats at the end of carriages on the Metropolitan line. Baker's Street subsurface platforms and Earls court. Warterloo and city but its not as good since they replaced the trains about 10 years ago.

Dud Central line particularly between Liverpool St and Oxford circus on a weekday morning.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 23 January 2003 15:32 (twenty-three years ago)

I haven't seen one of those fold down seats in ages. What happened to them all?

chris (chris), Thursday, 23 January 2003 15:34 (twenty-three years ago)

chris you're right about the Greenford view! many an evening have i stood on the platform watching the remarkably constant line of planes descending into Heathrow...bloody cold up there tho

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 23 January 2003 15:53 (twenty-three years ago)

there still there on the Met line, there gone everywhere else though.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 23 January 2003 15:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Stevem - oh yes, I don't know how but an open platform managed to act as a wind tunnel, mind you it is a very elevated platform (hence the view) One time there, waiting for a very delayed train I counted 23 planes in the sky at one time, due to it being just about on the flight path for Northolt as well as Heathrow.

From my office now though I can look to the left and watch the constanmt stream oof planes flying off into the sunset, it's very pretty.

Ed, I get the Met line every day and haven't seen one, not in a long time.

chris (chris), Thursday, 23 January 2003 16:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Rats they got to them there too. I'm not a regular Met user so I wouldn't know. There used to be on the old central and norther trains but invariably used to be locked up for use by the guards only.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 23 January 2003 16:08 (twenty-three years ago)

I remember the Northern ones, not that long ago where a conductor would operate the doors from about halfway down the train. and the exit there would be blocked off.

chris (chris), Thursday, 23 January 2003 16:10 (twenty-three years ago)

And why don't all victoria line trains go to Walthamstow?! I'm sick of having to cram into a carriage at Kings cross, to have to do it all again, but most times even more crowded, at Seven sisters

I understand your feelings but it actually suits me well. On my rare journeys south from Seven Sisters in peak hours I always wait for one of the empty trains that turns around there.

David (David), Thursday, 23 January 2003 22:49 (twenty-three years ago)

*damns America for being able to count their good mass transportation systems on one hand*

Girolamo Savonarola, Thursday, 23 January 2003 22:58 (twenty-three years ago)

nine months pass...
http://www.trainweb.org/tubeprune/Woodlane%20whitecity.htm#Right%20Hand%20Running

"One of the most interesting sites on London Underground is on the Central Line between Shepherds Bush and East Acton in west London.   The lines through White City station are the wrong way round for a British railway - being right hand running instead of left hand running.   There is a story behind this anomaly which concerns the stabling yard there called White City Depot and the two running tunnels of the Central Line which weave their way round this area.  This page looks at this area and tells of the unusual routes and the reasons for them."

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Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 17:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Cool link, there are a couple of other right hand running locations in britain but I can't remember where they are.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 17:54 (twenty-two years ago)


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