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Anyone still play it, or any other collectable card game? Even if it were not designed to extract huge amounts of money from players, it is an extreme dud. And it has the most absurdly complex rules for anything I have ever seen.

fletrejet, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 17:50 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Me and a few mates used to play a supremley bastardized version of Portal (you know, Magic for beginners?), simply using the cards we had and discarding all kinds of rules. It was enormous fun.

We tried to revive it this year but the school we go to now has serious players who came and wanted to play w/ us and they were very anal about all the rules and also they actually had decks with, y'know, a strategy. Plus protection for all the cards and they wouldn't stop talking about rare cards and such- I'm a geek, but ya gotta draw the line somewhere. So now it's dud.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:11 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

More dud than genital warts. At least genital warts implies sex.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:14 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

That sentence was supposed to go "At least genital warts implies sex has been had at some point in your life." Ooops.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:15 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

>We tried to revive it this year but the school we go to now has serious players

Yeah, Magic is a game that completely falls apart when people start to take it seriously. It quickly becomes that only certain cards in certain types of decks have a chance of winning, and often in very boring, cheepo, lucky-draw fashion.

Casual play is ok, but is still too expensive.

fletrejet, Tuesday, 21 January 2003 18:19 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Lots of fun if played with somewhat random decks but totally sux if anyone's taking it seriously. The whole suspended reality thing hits me pretty hard so I really get into the cards.

toraneko (toraneko), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 00:35 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I'm still into the casual play aspect and mostly out of competitive play. Expensiveness of it all = clearly dud though.

Vinnie (vprabhu), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 06:14 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

There was a pretty funny article in Salon a couple years ago about the early days at Wizards of the Coast, which apparently resembled a geek version of Fellini's Satiricon, before the company went and sold out to THE MAN.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 07:34 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

ok here goes.

if you're going to play magic, you MUST play by tournament rules. you needn't bother playing if there are no limits placed on the composition of the deck. wizards of the coast probably still publishes its "restricted/banned" card list as well. check it out.

when i was about 15 to 16 i played in magic tournaments EVERY sunday, and played recreationally with friends most evenings. yes, you could say that it was a very signifigant part of that time in my very sad teenaged life. at one point in the remote northern alberta town of 35,000 i grew up in there were three comic shops that all pushed magic quite heavily and at least a couple more places where the cards were available. some people took it VERY seriously.

i won't argue that magic is a tremendous cash sucker, and ultimately it taught me nothing about anything (there is little about the game that transfers to other pursuits) but there is a tremendous beauty to the inner workings of the game. it's not just about how much money you spend on it. in tournament settings, i was able to consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs (engineers, systems analysts) simply by spending a lot of time evaluating how the cards in my deck worked together. quite often the answer is not an "expensive" card but four cheap, nasty ones.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:20 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

oh and just for the record i don't play anymore and haven't touched a card in about four years.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 18:21 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

if you're going to play magic, you MUST play by tournament rules.

Why? I mean, in a tournament of course you do, but what about those of us who are, err, "casual players" as it were and just want a nice game to waste some time with as opposed to a weapon to "consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs"?

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 23:52 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Tournament rules are for people who actually know all the instant-kill power card combinations. And tournament rules are constantly changing because people figure out new ones.

fletrejet, Thursday, 23 January 2003 00:28 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

but what about those of us who are, err, "casual players" as it were and just want a nice game to waste some time with as opposed to a weapon to "consistently trounce educated adult men with high-paying jobs"?

dude i was like fifteen ...

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Thursday, 23 January 2003 05:29 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I sold all my cards to some dork for like $20.
I still sometime would like to play, but alas; it is too expensive.

A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 23 January 2003 05:51 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

dude i was like fifteen ...

Haha, maybe that was a bit too nasty on my part, but still- why not play any way you bloody please (or was that "You MUST..." comment just the way you saw it when you were 15?)

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 23 January 2003 11:32 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

If we judge a game by its players, and I judge this by the few people I've ever met or seen who play it, it's as dud as it comes. (This is not meant to comment on the people here, none of whom I have met.)

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 23 January 2003 18:24 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I used to play... PROFESSIONALLY. How sad is that? You can make good money at it to be honest. The saddest thing most times are people who play it. It's 90-95% male, they're all super homophobes too. I used to wear t-shirts that implied I was gay just to mess with the competition.. and to get pictures of me in em in Magic publications (yes, there are a few). I enjoyed the game and the rules, and I met some good people along the way. The best part about Magic players is that they are willing to play almost anything.. so once you get fed up with Magic (which everyone does), they will try any other activity or game (Set, Settlers of Cataan), and jump on it.

I'm going to be branded a geek now.. aren't I?

Christopher (Christopher), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:41 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

This is an internet message board Christopher = we are all geeks.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:44 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

it's fun, if you have money to waste and friends that don't take it seriously.

webber (webber), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 00:07 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I used to wear t-shirts that implied I was gay just to mess with the competition..

Let's count the ways we could parse that sentence, hmm?

Chris P (Chris P), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 01:41 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Let's make that a little clearer... heh.

A lot of Magic players are homophobic (in my experience) and in order to throw them off of their game, I would wear a shirt that symbolized gay pride.

What's really scary is that I'm thinking about playing in a sealed deck PTQ in a couple of weeks just to see if I can still compete after not playing for years.

Christopher (Christopher), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 16:24 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
Who up in this bitch fancies a game of memory M:TG*? I'm bored.

* (the one where you start with no cards in your card, draw one of your choice per turn, and no card can be played twice? It's kinda fun...)

Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Sunday, 18 April 2004 14:34 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I used to play a lot around 14-16 and did pretty good, but when I think
of all the money I spent on cards that just sit in boxes up in my closet
I get all teary-eyed. Those should be records sitting idle, not cards!

stephen morris (stephen morris), Sunday, 18 April 2004 16:35 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Dud as hell. When I was 12 or 13 or so I went with my friend (who was into Magic cards at the time) to a Magic the Gathering "tournament" being held at the local Barnes & Noble. While my friend was playing Magic with someone, I walked around watching the others in attendance. At one table this guy playing said something like "I'm playing the Wall of Flame card". This other guy at the table said, "I'm gonna play the Wall of Pubic Hair card, hehehehhehe" in this horribly nasal and stereotypically nerdy voice. That was when I realized that there were people far nerdier than I could ever be.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 18 April 2004 17:24 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

three months pass...
The game itself = Classic: it will be around for years to come, probably our nerdier kids will be into it or some incarnation of it.

The "90-95% super homophobe" players mentioned above = DUD. If I was rich (xpost it's expensive xpost) I'd probably play Magic Online, and not have to see the fat guys with "horribly nasal and stereotypically nerdy voices" that unfortunately define the game.

Richard K (Richard K), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 03:55 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I can't believe I never posted to this thread. I probably spent twenty bucks on it total, maybe thirty. It was one summer, a fun thing, a moment in time, a nice little cultural artifact.

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 04:06 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

i've been having a lot of "fun" playing with the old cards I rescued from my mom's house. i refuse to spend another cent on the game, however.

ian, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

a couple years ago i went to a card & comix shop and built a decent blue-white deck for like $4.00, but all the newer card editions just had all these new retarded esoteric abilities that i had no idea about

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:16 (eleven years ago) Permalink

also, the art was all these, like, cyber dragons and BULLSHIT

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:21 (eleven years ago) Permalink

We should start an ILG thread where we play against each other using SCANNERS.

nickalicious, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:25 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i only played magic for the first time a few weeks ago, how weird is that? i was intimidated by the kids who played it in high school, but it's not half as complicated as i thought.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:50 (eleven years ago) Permalink

you should have been more intimidated by their allowances

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:56 (eleven years ago) Permalink

and/or dedication to blowing every dollar earned at the drive-thru window sunday 5am-1:30pm on crazy junk instead of like cigarettes and cds

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (eleven years ago) Permalink

that is correct i am calling you bustas out

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:57 (eleven years ago) Permalink

what are you talking about, i pinched a franklin from my dad's wallet to buy a mox jet

elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:01 (eleven years ago) Permalink

haha, i think i was most intimidated by their cliquish aspie superiority complexes.

i think it's really fun now though.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:03 (eleven years ago) Permalink

ok http://www.wunderland.com/WTS/Andy/ProjectEBAY/MagicCards.html these prices are so retarded omg

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (eleven years ago) Permalink

people should all be blown up

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:06 (eleven years ago) Permalink

in my middle school the biggest fight i got into was between pog players and m:tg players

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i was obviously a magic player

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

green & white deck, in case anyone is wondering

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:10 (eleven years ago) Permalink

omg pog

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:12 (eleven years ago) Permalink

if i remember those years correctly i was more worried about the shame my seminoles starter jacket would bring me after danny wuerrfle's gators pounced on them in the orange bowl than anything having to do with those fucking things

deeznuts, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:14 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I used to play magic back in the mid-nineties, I still have a hundreds and hundreds of those cards in some box around here. I never paid much for them though, because I stole most of them from bookstores. I wonder if that stuff is worth something these days, the oldest cards I have are from Revised Edition or whatever it was called.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:24 (eleven years ago) Permalink

god, my nerd days were spent playing Avalon Hill wargames. and banging chicks of course

brownie, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:26 (eleven years ago) Permalink

my best nerd days are ahead of me still.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:27 (eleven years ago) Permalink

http://images.boardgamegeek.com/images/pic93875_t.jpg

mine did not look quite as good as this one but I got pretty good

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i had a revised shivan dragon worth $50

max, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (eleven years ago) Permalink

and my color selections were more noise

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 21:38 (eleven years ago) Permalink

haha shivan dragon. back in 1995 my friend's proudest accomplishment was owning 4 shivan dragons. I wonder if those cards are worth anything today.

burt_stanton, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 22:04 (eleven years ago) Permalink

prediction: serious rules overhaul in the next year which makes the game more arena-friendly

iatee, Saturday, 8 December 2018 03:49 (two months ago) Permalink

What kind of rules changes do you have in mind?

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 8 December 2018 03:55 (two months ago) Permalink

if it were up to me the two big ones would be to vastly simplify combat and to merge untap/upkeep/draw

iatee, Saturday, 8 December 2018 04:09 (two months ago) Permalink

magic has a lot of dumb rules but 'phases are too weird and complicated' are the most relevant to arena

iatee, Saturday, 8 December 2018 04:11 (two months ago) Permalink

yeah there's at least 3 priority

ciderpress, Saturday, 8 December 2018 05:51 (two months ago) Permalink

err priority passes per turn that you can just get rid of without really impacting the game much

ciderpress, Saturday, 8 December 2018 05:51 (two months ago) Permalink

Would love to merge untap/upkeep/draw, but I think that's basically saying Arena will never have older cards

End of combat seems like an easy one to eliminate though. Yes, it affects play but the times you need to do something end of combat are quite rare

Vinnie, Saturday, 8 December 2018 08:35 (two months ago) Permalink

Have been enjoying Arena. Haven't experienced any bugs personally since the beta opened and they're making incremental improvements the whole time. Meanwhile, I fired up mtgo for the first time in a while for UMA and filed for reimbursement on my first event.

Roberto Spiralli, Saturday, 8 December 2018 10:16 (two months ago) Permalink

start of combat can be eliminated too, it does affect gameplay in that you have to use tappers before the opponent's last chance to play things precombat but if we're already streamlining the game with major functional changes then i think it's fine. you could even get rid of the priority pass between declare attacks and declare blocks without changing the core gameplay of magic combat though it would have bigger ramifications than the others

ciderpress, Saturday, 8 December 2018 17:48 (two months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

birthing pod is back baby

ciderpress, Friday, 4 January 2019 00:20 (one month ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

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— Magic: The Gathering (@wizards_magic) January 28, 2019

ciderpress, Monday, 28 January 2019 16:22 (three weeks ago) Permalink

that was a surprising ilx in real life moment for me

(° . ° )― (Lamp), Monday, 28 January 2019 16:42 (three weeks ago) Permalink

wotc investing in ilx instead of gp coverage

ciderpress, Monday, 28 January 2019 16:51 (three weeks ago) Permalink

haha yeah I learned about this by stupid magic players complaining about just that

iatee, Monday, 28 January 2019 18:08 (three weeks ago) Permalink

sweet album cover, wish magic art could still be that cool

iatee, Monday, 28 January 2019 18:08 (three weeks ago) Permalink

there's been occasional arts in the past few sets that give me older magic vibes (see: Bedevil)

ciderpress, Monday, 28 January 2019 18:12 (three weeks ago) Permalink

my LGS posted a pic of the card Snowfall on FB (for obvious reasons) and it made me really nostalgic, not just for the days of art like that but also the era of cards that featured a wall of text and were effectively useless. Ice Age was such a goldmine for that sort of thing.

frogbs, Monday, 28 January 2019 18:18 (three weeks ago) Permalink

This Soccer Mommy track was the last thing I cut from my ballot.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 28 January 2019 18:25 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Oops, ignore

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 28 January 2019 18:25 (three weeks ago) Permalink

balduvian shaman is still the funniest wall of text card especially since it was a common

ciderpress, Monday, 28 January 2019 18:29 (three weeks ago) Permalink

hahah I remember that card well, I got one in the first pack of Ice Age I ever bought and felt really intimidated by it since I didn't even know the rules of the game yet. it was really strange how early Magic was obsessed with stuff like that, cards that changed color words or landwalk abilities, given how few cards even had that sort of text to begin with. how many cards could you actually use the Shaman on, anyway? The COPs, Justice....anything else ???

another favorite was Ice Cauldron, I recall *no one* being able to figure out what the hell that thing did back in the day. not that the concept was hard to figure out, it's just the way they worded it was so convoluted (see also: Camouflage and Animate Dead). It's kind of a neat card though - I remember someone used to use it to "preload" counterspells so they could tap out during their turn. Wouldn't be surprised if there's some bizarre modern-day rules-abusing combo with that one today.

frogbs, Monday, 28 January 2019 18:42 (three weeks ago) Permalink

anyway, anyone have deep thoughts about deep thoughts about wizards slow strangle of gps? it feels like the business decision I would probably make if I were in charge of wizards, since nobody actually watches the coverage, but it sucks for me personally, as someone who enjoys going to gps and finds scg events pretty meh. I feel like there needs to be some sort of competitive arena circuit for the rest of the world and they haven't really planned that out yet.

iatee, Monday, 28 January 2019 18:53 (three weeks ago) Permalink

oops -1 'deep thoughts about' or you can give meta-level thoughts I guess

iatee, Monday, 28 January 2019 18:55 (three weeks ago) Permalink

xp yeah it was basically supposed to be an anti circle of protection card as far as i can tell, because blue is the color that needed that??

ciderpress, Monday, 28 January 2019 19:10 (three weeks ago) Permalink

cutting gp coverage sucks but it seemed inevitable with their pivot to arena/esports model. definitely empathize with that post criticizing it on grounds of diversity - after spending years slowly trying to increase the visibility of women on the competitive side of the game, suddenly dropping that in favor of laser focusing on an elite group that afaik is going to be 100% men is shitty

also not posting the round by round standings publicly online is awful, that is the absolute minimum they should do. they'll probably just get the TO to do it though.

ciderpress, Monday, 28 January 2019 19:22 (three weeks ago) Permalink

xp - I think that's backwards, it allowed you to play any color COP you wanted in your deck, and then 'change' the text to whatever color you needed for as long as you could handle the Cumulative Upkeep (which made it kind of worthless, but whatever, it was a 1 mana creature)

just reminds me of how brutal color hosers were back in the day, cards that literally said "destroy all islands" or "bury all green creatures" priced at 3 or 4 mana. kids these days will never know the feeling of hopelessness that comes with a turn-2 COP:Red when your deck is mono-red, just frantically trying to outpace your opponent until you get 8-for-1'd with a Wrath of God

frogbs, Monday, 28 January 2019 19:33 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I think they could probably get way more women on camera than they do at a gp if they host more invite only competitions w/ the goal of diversity in mind.

xp

iatee, Monday, 28 January 2019 19:37 (three weeks ago) Permalink

also on the subject of women in magic, my gf opened up a foil jace in chaos sealed at the gp. (last time she did one she opened up a snapcaster.)

iatee, Monday, 28 January 2019 19:38 (three weeks ago) Permalink

xp yeah i have to assume that is what will end up happening? its been a bit since i read the new plans, are there invitational events worked in that aren't just based on the top 32 performers or whatever?

ciderpress, Monday, 28 January 2019 19:42 (three weeks ago) Permalink

my other concern is the modern format getting the legs cut off it, it was really picking up in popularity and its entire purpose was to have a sustainable non rotating format and a lot of people felt comfortable investing in a deck for it because of that, and now it suddenly doesn't seem to have a place in the ecosystem

ciderpress, Monday, 28 January 2019 19:52 (three weeks ago) Permalink

kinda just saw scg evolving into the modern-show

iatee, Monday, 28 January 2019 19:53 (three weeks ago) Permalink

i haven't paid attn to scg lately, are they running a lot of modern?

ciderpress, Monday, 28 January 2019 19:55 (three weeks ago) Permalink

yeah quite a bit

iatee, Monday, 28 January 2019 19:56 (three weeks ago) Permalink

im actually interested to see what the inevitable arena 'classic' format looks like down the line if they really don't plan on adding old sets. modern's gotten a little too critical mass-y, i always liked the extended cardpool size more

ciderpress, Monday, 28 January 2019 20:04 (three weeks ago) Permalink

As of this last weekend, SCG finally started doing time shifted matches, which fills a bunch of dead time. I suspect they will move away from Modern a bit in the future, but they embraced it pretty hard last year.

The Magic world has done a miserable job of promoting women competitors, and making women feel welcome in general. It's pretty embarrassing and awful.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 28 January 2019 20:06 (three weeks ago) Permalink

<i>anyone have deep thoughts about deep thoughts about wizards slow strangle of gps?</i>

it certainly feels like someone on the business side of wizards did the math on how much it costs to run organized play and started questioning if the roi was really there for gps and pts. i think there are ways to run gps that make sense but like, pay $100,000 for a huge tournament for a few thousand people to play is just a weird use of money and has never seemed to really drive engagement. i imagine there is also belief that in the markets where its profitable smaller tournament series can and will take the place of gps

(° . ° )― (Lamp), Tuesday, 29 January 2019 00:55 (three weeks ago) Permalink

have they cut money for GPs in ways besides coverage? I felt like the move to make GPs into Magicfests - conventions rather than tournaments - was smart. I love going to GPs for the so-many-players experience but rarely watch them at home. (though part of that is maybe self-fulfilling, due to the fact that the GP coverage has never been great.) I much prefer they go big on coverage for a few tournaments like PTs or Magic World Championship where the player caliber is higher

Vinnie, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 13:22 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I don't think they've cut money but at least some value was tied to the prestige of the event, which is tied to the coverage. kinda seems like the plan is to make them 'big ptqs'.

I agree that spending $100k per GP always seemed like it was burning money, though some of the returns on that are a little abstract. NJ was my first MF and unsurprisingly didn't seem much different from any previous GP. I think to really convert it into 'not a GP' you probably need some bigger marquee side-events. but thinking about it more - I haven't seen this specific point brought up yet - killing GP coverage doesn't just save them money, it helps de-emphasize the GP aspect of the MF.

iatee, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 16:24 (three weeks ago) Permalink

they cut the prize pool both by having fewer gps and by creating the tiered prize pool structure (although that one is pretty negligible its like $15K less in prizes this quarter) and losing the equity that pro points gave is a long-term savings for them, although they are still paying those out atm.

moving from a single tournament model to a sort of convention model in which a bunch of events including one or two more prestigious tournaments take place makes a lot of sense & is obviously the direction they are moving. i wrote an article about this a few months ago before a bunch of the op changes had been announced but it also is in tune with how they seem to want to position playing "tabletop" magic, as a sort of social & creative experience rather than a purely competitive one.

(° . ° )― (Lamp), Tuesday, 29 January 2019 18:16 (three weeks ago) Permalink

This is all just really weird to witness - like I'm personally fine with it but it's totally surreal that it's all happening so fast, I think of Wizards as this super conservative company and they've just kinda gone wildly all-in very quickly.

Gravel Puzzleworth, Thursday, 31 January 2019 21:18 (two weeks ago) Permalink

they're not super conservative with organized play, they changed the pro play qualification structure constantly throughout this decade

ciderpress, Thursday, 31 January 2019 21:20 (two weeks ago) Permalink

wizards def are here to wring every dollar they can from the game. the big change in direction seems less wild to me, and rather calculated and market optimized. i'm pretty curious about the business aspects of it. making MTG a legit e-sport is probably worth $$$.

davey, Thursday, 31 January 2019 21:24 (two weeks ago) Permalink

wish i had more time for Magic these days. i've gone from a pretty steady limited player to not having played a single draft of the new set :/

davey, Thursday, 31 January 2019 21:25 (two weeks ago) Permalink

yeah i went from doing like 10-20 drafts every set, or even more for ones that i particularly liked, to 'maybe i'll try it once'

ciderpress, Thursday, 31 January 2019 21:26 (two weeks ago) Permalink

they're not super conservative with organized play, they changed the pro play qualification structure constantly throughout this decade

yeah but PTs and GPs have been the core of competitive magic since the dawn of competitive play.

in any case I think that this: https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/and-mtg-arena-2019-01-31 is the real eye opener. like the future of competitive magic isn't just 'not the pro tour', it's also maybe 'not the same rules as paper magic'.

iatee, Thursday, 31 January 2019 21:54 (two weeks ago) Permalink

this announcement is pretty discouraging for a few reasons but i think it does tie in to what i was saying upthread - i dont know how good the roi on the old model of organized play was & it feels like things really are moving in a different direction.

magic has been my primary non-work activity for like three years, its been a sorta weird few months thinking about what i want to do w/ it, how much i still want to play &c &c

(° . ° )― (Lamp), Thursday, 31 January 2019 21:58 (two weeks ago) Permalink

yeah I didn't have a lot of time to play this year but was planning on going to a bunch of gps this year and and now my plans seem really hazy.

iatee, Thursday, 31 January 2019 22:14 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i havent been to a gp in a while due to non-magic reasons but would still hit up modern ones in the northeast i guess. i don't really play enough to justify keeping up with standard anymore even though it's historically been my favorite format

ciderpress, Thursday, 31 January 2019 22:19 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Dude from my LGS just took down SCG Dallas with mono blue.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 11 February 2019 01:51 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah the blue deck seems strong

ciderpress, Monday, 11 February 2019 04:15 (one week ago) Permalink


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