boros reckoner
― iatee, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:05 (eleven years ago) link
like blockers that deal their extra damage to the attacking player? i don't think that exists
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:05 (eleven years ago) link
I guess reckoner doesn't do that
for example, you have a 3/3 with "blocker's trample" and you block a 1/1, you kill the 1/1 and deal the remaining 2 damage to your opponent
reckoner doesn't do that
― Moodles, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:06 (eleven years ago) link
why would you need that
― iatee, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:06 (eleven years ago) link
yeah that doesn't exist on a card yet to my knowledge
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:07 (eleven years ago) link
I don't personally need it, just interested to know if such a card exists because I think it would be a neat idea
― Moodles, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:07 (eleven years ago) link
it would be difficult to template clearly and wouldn't be a very relevant ability (if it's going to trigger then your opponent is making a suicide attack anyway), so i doubt they'll do it unless they have a good reason
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:08 (eleven years ago) link
you are not attacking into bigger creatures often enough for it to be relevant that often
― iatee, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:09 (eleven years ago) link
(xp)
oh i guess they could be attacking a 4/1 into a 3/3 with the ability and take 2, but that seems pretty narrow for how confusing the ability would be
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:10 (eleven years ago) link
it might work in something like
9/3 defenderall creatures your opponent controls must attack each turn if possible
― iatee, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:10 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, I'd imagine it would either be a deterrent to attacks or perhaps you would attack into it if you had a bunch of creatures on the board
― Moodles, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:11 (eleven years ago) link
the cost on a 9/3 defender would be horrible
― ò_ó, ó_ò, õ_o (Lamp), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:12 (eleven years ago) link
also it would encourage horrible board stalls, which is something design seems to be actively moving away from
ya it would have to be like 5 or 6 for that card to be fair
― iatee, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:12 (eleven years ago) link
Ghosts of 1994Creature - Spirit Wall
Defender, Cumulative Upkeep 5
Whenever combat damage is dealt by ~ it deals that much damage to target player
9/3
― ò_ó, ó_ò, õ_o (Lamp), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:13 (eleven years ago) link
for each snow coevered land your opponent taps, prevent 1 damage
― iatee, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:15 (eleven years ago) link
i'm still blown away that they actually thought it was a good idea to make a set with cumulative upkeep in it in the year 2006.
and yeah i know it was for the mechanical tie-in to ice age and i guess hibernation's end was a cool card but still
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:16 (eleven years ago) link
on the other hand if they actually did make a new snow block without all the early-magic bad design baggage of ice age attached i would probably love it to death
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:18 (eleven years ago) link
yeah ice age flavor is great
― iatee, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:19 (eleven years ago) link
I think that despite NWO, they could easily slide back into the absurd mechanics of the past
― Moodles, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:19 (eleven years ago) link
soulbond seemed like a somewhat intentional attempt at a modern version of the banding concept
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:21 (eleven years ago) link
that's exactly what it was, although it is somewhat more comprehensible
― Moodles, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:23 (eleven years ago) link
I just think of soulbond like the two creatures are in love
― iatee, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:24 (eleven years ago) link
wolfir silverheart has definitely stirred the emotions of many a furry
― Moodles, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:26 (eleven years ago) link
I actually thought Coldsnap was a really well-made set and I loved how they did Cumulative Upkeep that often tied into what the card did. Limited definitely had its issues (especially Ice Age "block" draft which was awful) but the set itself was very cool!
― frogbs, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:27 (eleven years ago) link
Also I was looking through some stuff last week and found a bunch of Unglued/Unhinged cards and I'm actually quite impressed by how funny some of them are. Kinda funny how Maro basically admits now that most silver-bordered cards are things that he tried to slot into regular sets at some point.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:29 (eleven years ago) link
Though really I'd say that Future Sight sort of bridges the gap between the Un-sets and regular Magic
― frogbs, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:30 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i love coldsnap and the old ice age sets flavor-wise and nostalgia-wise but they just don't play that well. i'm hoping they try a redo on that concept sometime in the near future, much like how innistrad was vaguely like homelands.
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:30 (eleven years ago) link
if it had 300 cards and not 150 it would have been a really cool Limited format
― frogbs, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:32 (eleven years ago) link
(pun totally intended, by the way)
i have to think that norse mythology is on their shortlist of real-world things to mine for future blocks, which is somewhere snow could fit in okay
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:35 (eleven years ago) link
i wish dark depths wasnt banned in everything, thats in my top ten cards of all time
― ò_ó, ó_ò, õ_o (Lamp), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:35 (eleven years ago) link
i was thinking that a norse-inspired set has to be on their shortlist of new planes to visit - also maybe an interesting way to revist the quest mechanic
― ò_ó, ó_ò, õ_o (Lamp), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:36 (eleven years ago) link
a new fallen empires bloc could work
― iatee, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:37 (eleven years ago) link
I guess onslaught already close enough?
― iatee, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:38 (eleven years ago) link
I'm looking over the Cumulative Upkeep cards now and nearly all of them either power up over time or give you "change" when they die. I really loved the design of the Sphinx. I'm kind of surprised looking back at how many subtle references there were to old Ice Age era cards, and how many truly out there designs there were (the Wurm you could play from your library, or the Knight that could only be played from the graveyard). Ripple was a really cool mechanic. Recover I never really got.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:42 (eleven years ago) link
the black recover spell is pretty busted in pauper
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:43 (eleven years ago) link
speaking of which, we should get some info on the fall set this week. i went to their panel at pax last year and it was kind of cool though in retrospect it's funny that restoration angel got the least enthusiastic response of any of the cards they previewed there. gonna try to make it again this year, though waiting in line for an hour for the chance to see like 5 preview cards that will be on the internet in minutes feels kind of dumb.
i hope we go to this place it seems pretty rad http://magiccards.info/extra/plane/planechase-2012-edition/trail-of-the-mage-rings.html
the planechase cards are all pretty cool looking though i've never actually played with them
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:55 (eleven years ago) link
planechase is pretty cool, it reminds me of that old e-league thing "Chaos Magic" which was one of the most fun things ever
― frogbs, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 18:55 (eleven years ago) link
i like planechase despite having never played it (although i won the baleful strix set as a door prize at a release event so i do own some of them) because i really like land cards
― ò_ó, ó_ò, õ_o (Lamp), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 19:33 (eleven years ago) link
I'm gonna be at PAX this weekend too, cider - if you see an Indian dude in a shirt that says Overclocked Remix, say hi! (We're doing a panel for that website on Sunday.) I went last year but ended up getting in line for the Wizards panel too late, so this year gonna make it a priority. Though like you said, it barely matters whether you go to the panel or not, the spoilers get posted online basically mid-panel.
― Vinnie, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 19:39 (eleven years ago) link
And as far as Coldsnap goes, I thought the design was decent but it was a very "careful what you wish for" moment for me. I'd previously thought a small set designed to be triple-drafted would be awesome, but the strategies in that set were so boringly linear. Feel like I should have predicted that.
― Vinnie, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 19:42 (eleven years ago) link
oh cool you're an OCR person? i was part of that community way back in high school like 9-10 years ago but i've mostly drifted away from it now. i only have a saturday pass though so i can only do so much stuff, last year i didn't even have time to play any mtg events, just the panel.
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 19:43 (eleven years ago) link
i've never drafted coldsnap but the ripple cards seem like they could be pretty degenerate in draft
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 19:46 (eleven years ago) link
Yep! I do a bunch of various stuff for the site, cool that you've heard of it. Yeah PAX has way too many things going on, it's crazy. The only mtg I've played there was teaching my non-mtg friends using the 30-card beginner decks they give away.
― Vinnie, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 19:51 (eleven years ago) link
you'd really need 5 before they got real crazy but yeah I always had the dream of getting like 5-6 Surging Dementias and basically winning the game on turn 2
― frogbs, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 19:51 (eleven years ago) link
getting 5+ of a common in a 3x small set draft seems within the realm of possibility though. ari lax drafted 8 ethereal armors at one of the RTR limited GPs, and that's in a large set.
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 20:01 (eleven years ago) link