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ahhh....do post decklist

frogbs, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 20:53 (eleven years ago) link

i noticed this deck with hydra in the DE results today:
http://mtgstats.com/Deck.aspx?DeckID=581415

it's not black though. just about everything is viable in standard right now as long as you're aware of what you're going to be facing and are prepared to face it - just make sure you have plans against burning-tree emissary chains, unburial rites, olivia voldaren, and supreme verdict+sphinx's revelation

ciderpress, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 20:57 (eleven years ago) link

this is the most budget-y list i've seen that can apparently still win:
https://twitter.com/jjflipped/status/312018067863502849

ciderpress, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 20:59 (eleven years ago) link

http://wizards.com/Magic/Digital/MagicOnlineTourn.aspx?x=mtg/digital/magiconline/tourn/5125554

Willioufouf's list doesnt even run garruks (which are like 20 tix!)

ò_ó, ó_ò, õ_o (Lamp), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 21:01 (eleven years ago) link

predator ooze is surprisingly like 6 tix though

ciderpress, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 21:02 (eleven years ago) link

i like that one. Green-based midrange creature clusterfuck decks are generally my wheelhouse.

frogbs, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 21:06 (eleven years ago) link

yeah i like that list too. i think i'm finally starting to appreciate threat diversity in aggro decks, i used to always want to just play 4-ofs across the board, since that's what we did back in the day when there weren't nearly as many constructed-quality creatures.

ciderpress, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 21:11 (eleven years ago) link

one card that i've been trying to find a home for in standard is Essence Harvest, it seems like an incredibly brutal effect in the right deck

ciderpress, Wednesday, 20 March 2013 21:16 (eleven years ago) link

also is there any way to ship my new account tickets from old account w/o being logged into both at the same time?

ò_ó, ó_ò, õ_o (Lamp), Wednesday, 20 March 2013 21:19 (eleven years ago) link

so my roguish RTR block deck is currently 3-0 in a daily after facing 3 consecutive esper obzedat decks, not to jinx anything. this is my first real constructed success so i'm pretty excited. foil skyknight c/o ciderpress.

http://imgur.com/ArnOizN

notes:

- mizzium mortars is underwhelming, but that's probably due to my matchups. i've played a bunch in practice room though and it also is underwhelming vs. the other dominant archetype (burning-tree aggro)
- hypersonic dragon packs quite the punch. i was iffy on it before inclusion, but it's really quite strong.
- i've yet to be disappointed to draw a civic saber. it has a rancor-like effect on this deck.
- the charms have been great so far, particularly boros and its burn ability (or DS on a big flyer). i still have yet to pull off the reckoner infinite life combo though.

cocktail onion (fennel cartwright), Friday, 22 March 2013 03:04 (eleven years ago) link

no frostburn weird :((

ò_ó, ó_ò, õ_o (Lamp), Friday, 22 March 2013 03:15 (eleven years ago) link

haha! i had 2 before. but i figured i had lots of options against burning-tree. daring skyjek is really nice and versatile, love trading that thing. in the meantime, i just mug the 2 toughness attackers and that usually slows burning-tree decks down enough.

lost in r4 to jund, which is a brutal matchup for me. i'm just glad he didn't drop any golgari charms against all my tiny dorks. still took it to 3 games though.

think i might grind block constructed for s4. i think i have a decent chance of getting 15 QPs with this thing

cocktail onion (fennel cartwright), Friday, 22 March 2013 04:00 (eleven years ago) link

i don't really like this block format right now, it's kind of warped by sphinx's revelation and is also short a pyroclasm or infest effect to let other colors than UW sweep the burning-tree decks. if dragon's maze has one of those plus a duress effect i think it could shape up a bit.

ciderpress, Friday, 22 March 2013 05:48 (eleven years ago) link

yeah i havent enjoyed block since AVR came out and made my sweet R/G undying deck bad

ò_ó, ó_ò, õ_o (Lamp), Friday, 22 March 2013 06:04 (eleven years ago) link

yeah innistrad block constructed was actually sweet with just ISD which is unusual. DKA was fine too after they banned lingering souls, but AVR ruined the format because of Borderland Ranger of all cards (it let green decks play 4 colors and get access to all the powerful cards while every other color combo was stuck with bad mana)

ciderpress, Friday, 22 March 2013 13:18 (eleven years ago) link

do you think they playtest block constructed at all, or is it a total afterthought?

iatee, Friday, 22 March 2013 13:21 (eleven years ago) link

I'm sure they do a little. But I'd imagine their testing is like 90% Standard

frogbs, Friday, 22 March 2013 13:23 (eleven years ago) link

I'm under the impression that a big portion of their testing is Limited rather than Constructed

Moodles, Friday, 22 March 2013 13:24 (eleven years ago) link

that's definitely true. I mean, out of their constructed testing, it's probably overwhelmingly Standard, plus a little Modern and Block. they've certainly released cards that seemed like they weren't properly tested so maybe I'm overstating this

frogbs, Friday, 22 March 2013 13:26 (eleven years ago) link

it seems like limited playtesting is a better use of their time, just in that you can get a pretty good sense of how a set plays in limited / what's broken after 20 drafts, but predicting the constructed meta when most of the cards aren't even being played at the moment...

iatee, Friday, 22 March 2013 13:36 (eleven years ago) link

they playtest limited and standard a ton but don't test block much and don't test eternal formats at all

ciderpress, Friday, 22 March 2013 13:49 (eleven years ago) link

you know Gatecreeper Vine may be a big card in RTR block

frogbs, Friday, 22 March 2013 13:50 (eleven years ago) link

i'm thinking of a G/W/B deck with Deathrites/Abrupt Decay/Centaur Healers/Obzedat/Vraska

frogbs, Friday, 22 March 2013 13:52 (eleven years ago) link

vine gets played in like bant control but in general the mana in the block is much better than in a typical block so that type of effect isn't as powerful in context. borderland ranger was an actual threat with wolf run, sacced to falkenrath aristocrat for a counter, etc. all while fixing your mana. gatecreeper vine just fixes and chumps once and that's not worth 1G unless you're a 3+ color control deck.

ciderpress, Friday, 22 March 2013 13:54 (eleven years ago) link

here's what a G/W/B block deck looks like at the moment
http://mtgstats.com/Deck.aspx?DeckID=581570

ciderpress, Friday, 22 March 2013 13:56 (eleven years ago) link

you don't really have much else to do on turn two tho, at its worst it's just deck thinning

iatee, Friday, 22 March 2013 13:58 (eleven years ago) link

yeah Alms Beast is something i'd definitely play with. just a deck of big honkers.

true that Borderland has its advantages but Vine can nip Gates, and it does tap for the Grove :)

frogbs, Friday, 22 March 2013 14:01 (eleven years ago) link

gyre sage, call of the conclave, lotleth troll, abrupt decay their guy are all better things to do on 2 than play vine. i don't think it's terrible, i just don't think the mana in the block is bad enough that you need it

ciderpress, Friday, 22 March 2013 14:03 (eleven years ago) link

just want to fire off that Obzedat - but yeah Sage/Call are probably better. in fact I would imagine Call of the Conclave plays quite well?

frogbs, Friday, 22 March 2013 14:09 (eleven years ago) link

it's okay, awkwardly not a creature for domri though so i don't play it in my naya decks

ciderpress, Friday, 22 March 2013 14:12 (eleven years ago) link

well a card I really want to dick around with is Rootborn Defenses. though it's no good vs. Auger Spree. do people play that?

everything just feels like speculation now - ultimately every block deck I've seen just plays like a really good draft deck. DGM should mix things up.

frogbs, Friday, 22 March 2013 14:37 (eleven years ago) link

i wouldn't go that far, really good draft decks still don't have 4 sphinx's revelation and 4 wraths

ciderpress, Friday, 22 March 2013 14:53 (eleven years ago) link

it just depends how good a drafter you are

iatee, Friday, 22 March 2013 14:59 (eleven years ago) link

yeah but in general the idea is just to play the most powerful stuff within your color pairing, and from what I can see the guild mechanics do come into play

frogbs, Friday, 22 March 2013 15:13 (eleven years ago) link

from the new Duels game

http://25.media.tumblr.com/5b5da31eb312ae3788455e4e0b96eac9/tumblr_mk2hlzS4aT1rp0rzso1_1280.jpg

could be a spoiler for M14? seems like a good way to either get Griselbrand out early or play your whole hand on turn 3 and lose

frogbs, Friday, 22 March 2013 15:47 (eleven years ago) link

there was a demon shown in one of those promo videos too - 3BB for 5/6 flying, when it ETB destroy target non-Demon creature, sac it on upkeep if you don't have 6+ creatures in your graveyard. obviously meant to go together. not clear if they are M14 spoilers though or whether they're actually making special cards for duels now

ciderpress, Friday, 22 March 2013 16:17 (eleven years ago) link

there was also a reaper from the abyss-style demon spoiled in the duels video. although i'd be pretty interested in playing a demon tribal deck for a few months this summer

haha! i had 2 before. but i figured i had lots of options against burning-tree

i havent played a block daily since last year but mono-red was a huge part of that meta and i cant imagine its gone away so i figured it might be a good card against that match-up while still allowing you to be aggressive against the UWx decks. i really like that list though, i should be playing more standard but maybe ill try to put that list together, the only cards i need are reckoners i think

or maybe w/r/b is good? i feel like rakdos return has to be the best answer to sphinx's revelation decks, it can answer an obzedat a couple of ways although it may be too weak to aggro starts? idk

ò_ó, ó_ò, õ_o (Lamp), Friday, 22 March 2013 16:36 (eleven years ago) link

i wish block was interesting, because its fun to think about playing cards like high priest of penance in a constructed format but rtr only block was actually really narrow

ò_ó, ó_ò, õ_o (Lamp), Friday, 22 March 2013 16:38 (eleven years ago) link

Next block announced: Theros

Set two: Born of the Gods

Set three: Journey Into Nyx

Moodles, Saturday, 23 March 2013 18:29 (eleven years ago) link

could use a break from draft. after 0-3'ing a Swiss for the first time in my life (playing 5c green no less), i've gone no better than 1-2 in the last 8 or so events I've done. in the meantime my rating has tumbled nearly 200 points. daaaaamn, what happened

frogbs, Saturday, 23 March 2013 22:05 (eleven years ago) link

lamp and I were also having pretty shitty days on mtgo, something in the air

iatee, Saturday, 23 March 2013 22:49 (eleven years ago) link

lost two matches due to misclicks + not realizing I needed to fix my settings w/ stops

iatee, Saturday, 23 March 2013 22:50 (eleven years ago) link

yeah as of about 9 days ago i had my limited rating over 1900 for the first time and now i'm down at 1768 after going 1-2 in an M13 phantom sealed of all things. also cider my results with that geist list have been terrible. i lent it to a friend for a standard tournament and he went 5-0 with it, so i'm not sure i want to give up on it completely but i've yet to win a match on mtgo with it and went 1-3 at fnm. i'm also irritated because farseek has been one of the fnm promos i've most wanted to get a playset of and i'm stuck w/only one so far this month. i realize how lame this is but it doesn't stop me from being upset by it all the same.

ò_ó, ó_ò, õ_o (Lamp), Saturday, 23 March 2013 23:57 (eleven years ago) link

i played a couple matches with your list and aggro matchups seemed unwinnable which is not where i want to be on MTGO where there's a higher % of aggro than irl events

ciderpress, Sunday, 24 March 2013 06:31 (eleven years ago) link

lost two matches due to misclicks + not realizing I needed to fix my settings w/ stops

Were you trying to flash in a 4/4 elemental on your opponent's declare attackers phase?

Moodles, Sunday, 24 March 2013 06:44 (eleven years ago) link

its the phantom sealeds that are killing me. i havent won two matches in any of my last six. seems like if I play 3 colors that I'm destined to lose one game every match to just not drawing the color I need. I hate going R/G/W and having like one on-color gate but 4 Dimir ones. If I go two color it seems like I'm always playing cards I really don't want (like the 2RW double strike batallion 3/1 guy) and just losing to bomb-ass creatures every match.

frogbs, Sunday, 24 March 2013 18:26 (eleven years ago) link

not that exactly this time but the same thing more or less. I figured out what was wrong but it's dumb that the default settings prevent flash blocks etc

iatee, Sunday, 24 March 2013 18:30 (eleven years ago) link

also lost one where I was trying for like a minute to figure out how to work Simic Charm's +3/+3 with trample to get past a Guardian of the Gateless and wound up getting Smited, not even realizing I could have just bounced the damn thing. i need a break

frogbs, Sunday, 24 March 2013 18:31 (eleven years ago) link

lol I recently double striked a 3/2 w/ boros charm leaving them at one life and losing on the next turn. gf was talking to me while I was playing so I blame her but...

iatee, Sunday, 24 March 2013 18:34 (eleven years ago) link

Ran into a weird problem trying to cast biomass mutation today. I tapped for 6 mana, but it only applied 5 to the spell. I think it has something to do with the choice of which colors I chose for the hybrid portion and then the order in which I tapped, but I'm not really sure.

Do you know how that works? Does the order in which you tap lands impact hybrid spells, X spells, or both?

Moodles, Sunday, 24 March 2013 19:10 (eleven years ago) link


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