and of course duskmantle seer has a really high power level but i have no idea how to use it still, might have to wait for rotation
― ciderpress, Thursday, 18 April 2013 17:34 (eleven years ago) link
the hate card for it shows up months too late
My favorite is Seedtime, the supposed answer to Fact or Fiction. Wizards hyped this card up a ton in the previews, didn't make a dent in Standard. The metagame had moved a bit past FoF by the time it came out anyway.
― Vinnie, Thursday, 18 April 2013 17:43 (eleven years ago) link
armadillo cloak is back! with a new name though since lifelink isn't quite the same rules-wise
― ciderpress, Friday, 19 April 2013 04:19 (eleven years ago) link
http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/dgm/tiwoirwiixix/spzkwz3www_EN.jpg
BUG suddenly doesn't seem so horrible...
― iatee, Friday, 19 April 2013 04:36 (eleven years ago) link
ha, I remember Seedtime opening around $10. it quickly settled around 10 cents.
― frogbs, Friday, 19 April 2013 05:04 (eleven years ago) link
i do like R&Ds new policy of making the hate cards useful otherwise so they're not just dead if you don't hit the thing you're hating
― frogbs, Friday, 19 April 2013 05:05 (eleven years ago) link
http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/dgm/tiwoirwiixix/vhlr9buvxs_EN.jpg
― iatee, Friday, 19 April 2013 14:15 (eleven years ago) link
that seems really good but there has to be better finishers out there
― frogbs, Friday, 19 April 2013 14:37 (eleven years ago) link
there are better finishers but it's also useful not as a finisher
― iatee, Friday, 19 April 2013 14:49 (eleven years ago) link
its certainly the most resilient as long as you have blue mana up
when drownyard's gone, revelation decks will need a way to kill people before they deck themselves so there's certainly a market for 'creature taht can never die if you have blue mana up'
― ciderpress, Friday, 19 April 2013 14:50 (eleven years ago) link
also you can play it early and then blink and wrath later if opponent's board can beat it
― ciderpress, Friday, 19 April 2013 14:51 (eleven years ago) link
well it essentially costs 7 mana so I dunno what "early" really means here
― frogbs, Friday, 19 April 2013 14:59 (eleven years ago) link
well i meant 'early' as in 'before you've drawn half your deck and taken complete control'
― ciderpress, Friday, 19 April 2013 15:26 (eleven years ago) link
full set spoiler monday
― iatee, Friday, 19 April 2013 19:22 (eleven years ago) link
yep, always curious whether there's something big that slipped through the preview week cracks like boros reckoner did last time around.
― ciderpress, Friday, 19 April 2013 19:28 (eleven years ago) link
looks like the rest of the cards are starting to leak out now though from whoever had the early copy of the fat pack encyclopediahttp://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=504862
― ciderpress, Friday, 19 April 2013 19:36 (eleven years ago) link
I think this is gonna be a really fun set
Hidden Strings 1USorceryYou may tap or untap target permanent, then you may tap or untap another target permanentCipher Common
has a lot of potential
― iatee, Friday, 19 April 2013 19:38 (eleven years ago) link
put it on a one drop and a blue deck can cast a 4 mana instant on its second turn
― iatee, Friday, 19 April 2013 19:42 (eleven years ago) link
I could see Crypt Incursion being a nice sideboard card
― Moodles, Friday, 19 April 2013 19:43 (eleven years ago) link
the beetle mage is awesome for limited
― ciderpress, Friday, 19 April 2013 19:49 (eleven years ago) link
damn that's a common?
― iatee, Friday, 19 April 2013 19:53 (eleven years ago) link
3/1 haste for BR seems pretty good
― frogbs, Friday, 19 April 2013 19:54 (eleven years ago) link
That's gonna be an annoying card for sure. Can even be pumped as an instant.
heh xp Spike Jester looks like one of those Constructed cards that's a little under the radar - it's way better than Chainwalker, which has seen play in some mono-red decks.
― Vinnie, Friday, 19 April 2013 20:08 (eleven years ago) link
yes, that card is potentially quite good. haste is one of the best abilities in constructed because creatures don't live that long
― ciderpress, Friday, 19 April 2013 20:15 (eleven years ago) link
jesus, Craterhoof is now worth 15 tix online. wish I wasnt so stupid when I did AVR and just sold everything
― frogbs, Friday, 19 April 2013 21:08 (eleven years ago) link
well i couldnt have predicted that one either
― ciderpress, Friday, 19 April 2013 21:52 (eleven years ago) link
whoa, I just noticed that if you play every common evolve creature in order (Cloudfin/Shambleshark/Crocanura/Anemones/Snapjaw) that you hit every evolve trigger. cool
― frogbs, Sunday, 21 April 2013 15:49 (eleven years ago) link
GTC Phantom Sealed is starting to make me hate myself. I can't seem to catch a break with this thing.
― Moodles, Sunday, 21 April 2013 17:15 (eleven years ago) link
I think I need to admit that I'm just not very good at GTC.
― Moodles, Sunday, 21 April 2013 17:16 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah I constantly 1-2 those things with wonky Simic/Gruul decks. I never seem to get like 5-6 of the good common Orzhov guys like everyone else does and my Boros is often garbage. Or I get like 18 cards to a good Dimir deck. I have real terrible luck with getting Gates that match the colors I want to play, too!
― frogbs, Sunday, 21 April 2013 18:02 (eleven years ago) link
even when I get a decent pool, I seem to undermine myself by mis-clicking or letting time run out
― Moodles, Sunday, 21 April 2013 18:29 (eleven years ago) link
gatecrash is also not a very good sealed set. play some RTR sealed, it's more fun
― ciderpress, Sunday, 21 April 2013 20:00 (eleven years ago) link
yeah rtr sealed is 10x more fun
had a pretty nuts deck in paper draft today:
frontline medicwrecking ogregift of orzhovaboros charm3 x daring skyjek2 x wojeksunhome guildmage3x syndic of tithes3x court street denizen skynightwarmind infantrycinder elementalarmored transportmartial gloryrighteous chargeangelic edict
― iatee, Sunday, 21 April 2013 23:41 (eleven years ago) link
yeah the boros decks ended up being the most fun to play but they are never ever open on mtgo
― ciderpress, Monday, 22 April 2013 02:44 (eleven years ago) link
complete spoiler is up on the wizards site - haven't looked through much of it yet but i am v v excited to draft this set
― Reggie (Lamp), Monday, 22 April 2013 04:21 (eleven years ago) link
this is gonna be rad
― iatee, Monday, 22 April 2013 04:39 (eleven years ago) link
great cards all around
― iatee, Monday, 22 April 2013 04:40 (eleven years ago) link
feel like the rtr guilds might be slightly ahead overall
― iatee, Monday, 22 April 2013 04:41 (eleven years ago) link
maw of the obzedat is my fav art in a long time. is it a cat?!
card is sweet too. there are really just gems the whole set around. draft is gonna be great fun, and a total deckbuilding exercise as opposed to GTC which was completely a signal reading exercise
― cocktail onion (fennel cartwright), Monday, 22 April 2013 06:06 (eleven years ago) link
looking at the full set guild by guild, i'm noticing that each guild has exactly one multicolored creature at common. none of them are particularly good. meanwhile, all of the multicolored guild cards are at uncommon, and the stable of uncommons is really quite solid.
meanwhile, we have a range of monocolored commons. their power level is lower than the uncommons, but they only commit you to one color.
the tradeoff thus becomes: do we spread ourselves thin taking a spread of powerful uncommons/rares early, and then hoping we can zero in on a playable 23 cards later? or do we settle in on one color/guild at a time? or do we adopt the "gobble up the early guildgates" strategy? i think each of those approaches could prove fruitful or disastrous.
this draft environment is really really really gonna reward going in with a specific vision of what you want your deck to look like. every pick is going to be incredibly challenging. GTC rewarded play skills, DGM is gonna reward draft skills. we're gonna need to know the archetypes inside and out to have any success with this.
― cocktail onion (fennel cartwright), Monday, 22 April 2013 06:27 (eleven years ago) link
i really don't think there are going to be archetypes per se, i would hope/expect it to just be really fluid and most decks will trend towards midrange so you'll want to look for card-level synergies to get you ahead. also you should be drafting the gates pretty high and if other people aren't you can really take advantage of that by setting yourself up to steal all the individually powerful cards in packs 2 and 3
― ciderpress, Monday, 22 April 2013 07:18 (eleven years ago) link
thought about this more and there definitely are archetypes still but they're more about what your deck is doing than about rigid gameplans like in the single set formats. like for example there's the +1/+1 counter abuse deck but that could be simic+golgari or it could be one of the two simic colors plus rakdos, or it could be simic plus one of the two rakdos colors. likewise, there will be the aggro deck which is probably going to want to have boros and/or rakdos in it for the cheap above-curve creatures but the other half could be azorius, gruul, or even izzet which all have mechanics that punch damage through in different ways.
― ciderpress, Monday, 22 April 2013 13:35 (eleven years ago) link
I really have no idea what this'll be like but a lack of too many "junk" commons + the 15th slot being a dual land instead of a basic means that DGM will likely have a lot of influence on your final deck and honestly I just don't see 2 color decks working
― frogbs, Monday, 22 April 2013 13:49 (eleven years ago) link
2 color's not supposed to work, its supposed to be 3 by default. so 2 would be equivalent to playing a mono-color deck in most normal formats, which is only very occasionally viable
― ciderpress, Monday, 22 April 2013 13:54 (eleven years ago) link
i'm trying to envision a scenario where you could hit one guild super hard but it just doesn't seem possible. what's going to be interesting is that if you go like Red/Blue/White then you get Boros in GTC and then Azorius and Izzet in RTR, so you have to hit RTR hard even though it's the 3rd pack. also all that artifact destruction may be nice with the Cluestones floating around.
― frogbs, Monday, 22 April 2013 14:14 (eleven years ago) link
my problem is going to be keeping it to 3 colors and not always going for 4 or 5.
― Moodles, Monday, 22 April 2013 14:25 (eleven years ago) link
btw i think the cluestones will be just okay and you won't want to load up on them too hard, they're just mid-pack picks to flesh out the manabase of a more midrangey/controlling deck. they're worse than the keyrunes, for comparison, and you never really wanted more than 2 keyrunes in your deck. the gates are the strong fixers in this block and should go much earlier in draft.
and going for 4 or 5 colors seems fine, just make sure you prioritize mana fixing and keep your early game plays to 2 or 3 colors with the rest of the colors being cards that are strong mid-to-late game plays or removal that you don't mind potentially getting stuck in your hand until turn 8 or whatnot.
― ciderpress, Monday, 22 April 2013 14:27 (eleven years ago) link
The guilds in orig Ravnica were a bit more uniform in speed and play. Boros and Rakdos, for example, weren't nearly as aggressive as they are in GTC and RTR iirc. So all decks tended toward midrange or control, and that was especially true once the full block was in play and you were forced to play 3 colors. Like you mention, cider, this set is gonna be interesting because unlike orig Ravnica there are guilds that pair well in style of play like Boros/Rakdos or Gruul/Rakdos, but there's so many combinations that it won't boil down to easy archetypes. I think this'll be a very challenging, freeform set to draft, with lots of opportunity for savvy players to put together synergies. I'm excited!
― Vinnie, Monday, 22 April 2013 14:36 (eleven years ago) link
What's also interesting in that in both the combos I mentioned, the third guild of the triad doesn't match the same style of play, but probably has cards that would fit well into the deck. Yeah this is gonna be a fun block.
― Vinnie, Monday, 22 April 2013 14:37 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah I'm already thinking of Izzet/Dimir with Guttersnipes and Cipher cards. So yeah Rakdos isn't going to fit in that well but every guild has those sort of cards (like say, Auger Spree) that are good enough to fit anywhere.
I do think the Cluestones are at least on par with the Keyrunes, which I never really activated too much anyway. They seem like back-end picks to me that are basically there to prevent mana screw. That said I wonder if having all this ramp and midranging everything makes something like Totally Lost a much higher pick.
― frogbs, Monday, 22 April 2013 14:43 (eleven years ago) link