yeah it seems like its designed to beat up on other midrange decks or something - i haven't lost to it yet with my RG domri deck and it seems even worse against faster aggro decks like blitz.
as far as i can tell though the list comes from reigning MOCS champion Butakov who's a very good player so there must be something worthwhile to it
― ciderpress, Saturday, 11 May 2013 18:37 (eleven years ago) link
its basically jund with the red removal swapped out for Mutilate and the rest of the deck adjusted accordingly - the problem is you lose Olivia which was one of the best cards in jund vs midrange decks and also lose Huntmaster and Bonfire, the best cards in jund vs aggro. so yeah i don't really know why/how it's better.
― ciderpress, Saturday, 11 May 2013 18:39 (eleven years ago) link
it's crazy to be playing in an era where a 6/6 flyer for 4 just can't cut it
― iatee, Saturday, 11 May 2013 18:40 (eleven years ago) link
creature stats matter so much less than creature abilities - but hasnt that always been true? like creatures are so much better now than in 1997 in part because they're more efficient but mostly because they're also just now spells
― Lamp, Saturday, 11 May 2013 19:20 (eleven years ago) link
yeah I mean nothing like snapcaster or stoneforge existed but creature stats matter less than creature abilities is still ultimately dependent on creature stats being 'fair' - if a vanilla 7/7 for 3 appears one day creature stats won't matter less. I guess that's a less interesting card than snapcaster despite not really being a worse one, which is why it's unlikely to happen.
― iatee, Saturday, 11 May 2013 19:53 (eleven years ago) link
also fucks up limited. but so does a 6/6 flying for 4.
it's incredible how much the value of the MOCS promo cards fluctuate. some months it's a Force of Will or a dual land, this next one it's gonna be a Cryptborn Horror, a card which nobody even plays in Limited!
― frogbs, Saturday, 11 May 2013 23:14 (eleven years ago) link
hey i played a 16/16 cryptborn horror at the boston ptq last fall...
at least next month has an interesting format, modern masters sealed
― ciderpress, Saturday, 11 May 2013 23:21 (eleven years ago) link
how much is that gonna cost? like $40??
― iatee, Saturday, 11 May 2013 23:24 (eleven years ago) link
haha i think they make the ones that coincide with set releases purposefully crappy cuz they know people will be playing anyway, and they don't need a particularly sweet promo as an incentive. i mean it can't just be coincidence that a typically slow month like january gets an awesome promo like force of will imo
is mind's eye worth much? i had an awesome day today and could reasonably make 15 before wed. but figured its not worth the effort
― Lamp, Saturday, 11 May 2013 23:24 (eleven years ago) link
iatee what do you mean? the MOCS won't cost anything because it's phantom but i think modern masters packs are priced at like 6 or 7
― ciderpress, Saturday, 11 May 2013 23:52 (eleven years ago) link
mind's eye is a 1 ticket card in its normal version so i can't imagine the promo will be worth much. i'm at 14 points right now though so i'm obviously going for it anyway with DGR events going up soon
― ciderpress, Saturday, 11 May 2013 23:54 (eleven years ago) link
gotcha didn't know it was phantom xp
― iatee, Sunday, 12 May 2013 00:14 (eleven years ago) link
or that it was mocs
― iatee, Sunday, 12 May 2013 00:15 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i was talking about next month's MOCS since frogbs brought up the bad MOCS promo cards
― ciderpress, Sunday, 12 May 2013 00:38 (eleven years ago) link
if theres anything i've learned about full block draft yet it's that it's impossible to cut the person on your left off of your colors - i think i've gotten an average of like 5 playables out of my gatecrash packs
― ciderpress, Sunday, 12 May 2013 01:16 (eleven years ago) link
also people seem to be drafting with gatecrash logic i.e. take 2-drops and 3-drops over everything - there's always an overabundance of really powerful 5s and 6s in my drafts and i end up with way too high a curve
― ciderpress, Sunday, 12 May 2013 01:17 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i always either have a terrible pack w/ gtc or rtr
― iatee, Sunday, 12 May 2013 01:19 (eleven years ago) link
but people still misjudging dgm cards enough that I end up w/ like 12 dgm cards in my deck
― iatee, Sunday, 12 May 2013 01:20 (eleven years ago) link
here's my first 3-0 DGR draft deck:http://i.imgur.com/Lcwy1kF.jpg
nothing too exciting, extort is still an absurd mechanic in full block. i wanted to try lyev decree and it was okay and even won me a game that nothing else would have, but i boarded it out for shielded passage a lot.
― ciderpress, Sunday, 12 May 2013 05:18 (eleven years ago) link
were you close to playing bane alley?
― iatee, Sunday, 12 May 2013 05:42 (eleven years ago) link
i drafted it with the intention of playing it but there were almost no good blue cards or controlling cards for the rest of the draft so it was an easy cut
― ciderpress, Sunday, 12 May 2013 05:49 (eleven years ago) link
this draft format is hard imo
― Lamp, Monday, 13 May 2013 01:08 (eleven years ago) link
:DDDD My card (Soulfeaster's Rising) made it to the voting phase of You Make the Card 4! http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/247b
― Vinnie, Monday, 13 May 2013 13:03 (eleven years ago) link
oh sweet, i think i voted for that one
my favorite is Consuming Contract, though i'm not sure how fun it would be as a constructed playable card, i just think it's the most novel/innovative of the batch
― ciderpress, Monday, 13 May 2013 13:15 (eleven years ago) link
Well I voted for it. Many of those are quite interesting. Double Down and Eldritch Rites seem downright broken.
― frogbs, Monday, 13 May 2013 13:17 (eleven years ago) link
Awesome Vinnie! I voted for your card.
― Moodles, Monday, 13 May 2013 13:44 (eleven years ago) link
Thanks, dudes. My favorite is probably the Mummy one, that's exactly the kind of weird, flavorful card I like them to print.
― Vinnie, Monday, 13 May 2013 13:46 (eleven years ago) link
except it's really dumb with Vampire Hexmage
― frogbs, Monday, 13 May 2013 16:13 (eleven years ago) link
Consuming Contract seems like the most interesting though it seems really abusable with bounce - I'd think it would need a "if this leaves play, you lose" clause plus indestructible
― frogbs, Monday, 13 May 2013 16:15 (eleven years ago) link
Make that hexproof
i think its fine to let you bounce it! 2 card combo to generate delayed card advantage does not seem overpowered compared to even a wrath of god effect let alone sphinx's revelation
― ciderpress, Monday, 13 May 2013 16:28 (eleven years ago) link
i guess it's all dependant on what the third ability is
i dunno, as much as I like the design, I'd like it more if people actually wound up losing to it from time to time
― frogbs, Monday, 13 May 2013 16:30 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah the concept is great, and I guess they picked it despite thinking one mode was problematic. The thing about it being an enchantment is that the deck that plays this card probably won't run too many ways to save themselves from it. Bounce isn't that useful. So I could see a timely counterspell making someone lose the game - I think the card is fine as is.
― Vinnie, Monday, 13 May 2013 16:48 (eleven years ago) link
would be even more interesting with like 3 positive modes and 2 negative ones (you lose the game and like 'discard a card' or something)
anyway - I had always wondered what the Vraska tokens looked like. every time I've gotten close to getting it to work my opponent has conceded (as a result of them being so far behind that the charged Lux Cannon functionality wasn't even that useful). BUT in a sealed I got it. Behold:
http://i.imgur.com/ZDb6Nn2.jpg
― frogbs, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 00:54 (eleven years ago) link
I pulled one irl
― iatee, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 00:57 (eleven years ago) link
I really wish you could play Vraska and Doubling Season together!
― frogbs, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 00:59 (eleven years ago) link
wait a sec. you can do that in Modern can't you
lol @ your 2/2 Assassins
― Vinnie, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 01:48 (eleven years ago) link
yeah that is a really good boardstate I got there for Limited
― frogbs, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 01:55 (eleven years ago) link
it's called synergy
― Vinnie, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 02:29 (eleven years ago) link
Vinnie were you thinking about Quest for the Gravelord with your design? The card it's up against also kinda reminds me of Quest for the Nihil Stone, because QUESTS.
― Gravel Puzzleworth, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 10:46 (eleven years ago) link
Not consciously, though I read the YMTC thread on mtgsalvation and Quest for the Gravelord was mentioned there a zillion times. It's exactly the same concept, but it's one of those cards that made so little impact I'd completely forgotten about it. I like my card more, haha. Necrotic Ooze was on my mind for sure though.
― Vinnie, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 12:20 (eleven years ago) link
ok I finally tried block draft and holy cow is this complicated. I'm so confused on what to do in the DGM pack and wind up just picking like 4-5 colors worth of stuff. So many decks I want to try!!
― frogbs, Wednesday, 15 May 2013 02:32 (eleven years ago) link
I'm really not sure how high to take guildgates. Also I'm starting to realize that Pyroconvergence may actually be playable. Lobber Crew is nutso.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 15 May 2013 02:34 (eleven years ago) link
my current strategy is to try to cut a gatecrash color pair during the DGM pack because otherwise the gatecrash pack tends to go terrible
guildgates are usually all gone by the midpoint of the pack so be careful that you don't end up playing the 6-6-6 manabase
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 15 May 2013 02:39 (eleven years ago) link
grr had a pretty good jund deck tonight. lost to a top decked aetherling, one life away from a win.
― iatee, Wednesday, 15 May 2013 02:40 (eleven years ago) link
I'm always in rtr color pairings w/ terrible gtc but it still works out for me
― iatee, Wednesday, 15 May 2013 02:41 (eleven years ago) link
almost all my losses so far are to UWR decks
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 15 May 2013 02:49 (eleven years ago) link
just won a game by casting Burst of Strength on an opponent's Unleash creature, huahuahauhaha
― frogbs, Wednesday, 15 May 2013 03:04 (eleven years ago) link