Am I a Terrible Person?

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I recently broke up with someone I had been dating for a little over a year. It was a long distance relationship, as he lives about 500 miles from me, but we spoke on the phone and online nearly every day, and saw one another relatively frequently (mostly my effort there) and things seemed to be okay. He is 36, divorced, and has a 13 year old daughter, and has never lived anywhere other than the town in which he lives now. I am 31, nearly divorced, have a 4 year old son, and have lived all over the world and back again. The problem: He didn't ever want more children and never wanted to move from where he is. Wouldn't consider either one, full stop.

I thought for awhile that these were both things I could deal with - or learn to deal with - but upon much soul-searching, I've realized they aren't - at least, I may never have more children, nor may ever move, but I need to at least have the option. So I decided that it would be best to tell him, to see what he thought, to see if he was willing to compromise at all, to see where it would lead. I did, and he was unwilling, so I thought it best to end it. This has been an awfully painful time for me - I never wanted to hurt him, indeed, I still love him as much as I ever did, but realized that in telling him I was okay with those two things, I was not only lying to him, but also to myself. He's been a total cunt to me over the last few weeks, leaving nasty messages, calling to spit out one terse sentence and slamming the phone down, things like that. I know he's hurt, I bloody well am, too. Things are different than from how he wanted them to be, how he thought they'd be, but he's placing all the blame on my shoulders, and I'm beginning to wonder if he's right - if I "fucked him" (as he says) and if I really am "content to be happily miserable." I was trying to do the right thing... am I a terrible person?

luna (luna.c), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 23:36 (twenty-three years ago)

You're very far from a terrible person, it seems to me.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 23:42 (twenty-three years ago)

I should expand maybe - I think in a relationship which comes apart because the people want different things from their lives nobody's usually at 'fault' whoever made the move. I was lucky in that I got to put off the point of decision until we both wanted the same things, but I can still sympathise very much.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 22 January 2003 23:44 (twenty-three years ago)

You are clearly not a terrible person, but if someone thinks you are because you have made a difficult decision in order to live an authentic life, then I would think they are not good relationship material. Sadly it is often women who are expected to make major compromises in order to hang onto their relationships (meaning there is genuine surprise and outrage expressed by some men when such compromises are withheld) and I admire your courage in walking away. It is not without precedent that you might now be labelled bad, mad or sad: that's the way this (boring) old story often goes.

estela, Thursday, 23 January 2003 00:13 (twenty-three years ago)

no, you are most definately not a terrible person, you are an honest person with the courage to face issues that many people would rather avoid, in the hope that 'it might all just go away'.
the things that bothered you are Big Life Things that cant be ignored, good for you for realising what you need / want and being brave enough to act.
im sorry to hear this didnt work out, and im sorry that you are sad and hurting now. cyber-hug to you luna, you are obviously a strong woman so hang in there :-)

donna (donna), Thursday, 23 January 2003 00:22 (twenty-three years ago)

If (...always the catch when hearing one side of a story...) he made it clear that his decisions 'never' to have more children and 'never' to move to another place were final, then his current behavior is not only childish, but blindly selfish, because he refuses to see that he cannot dictate the terms of your relationship. This is how it sounds from your account.

On the other hand, if (...see above...) you made your choice to break up the relationship without fully exploring the chance he might change his position to one you could accept, then he is probably right to feel somewhat abused by your turning away before you had fully explored reaching a mutually acceptable solution.

Aimless, Thursday, 23 January 2003 00:25 (twenty-three years ago)

He did make it absolutely clear at the beginning that he didn't want more kids, nor wanted to live anywhere else, and as he pointed out, I did know this. No question, without a doubt, I knew that's how he felt. I really did think I could live within those boundaries, I mulled it over for awhile, thought ok, I can do this - and then I realized all at once that I couldn't. Admittedly, I'm the one who changed the game plan, and I take responsibility for that - I'm just left feeling rotten about it.

luna (luna.c), Thursday, 23 January 2003 01:03 (twenty-three years ago)

You were honest with yourself,and with him.Just because he said from the start that he didn't want more kids,or to re-locate,doesn't mean that he may not have changed his mind at some point.We all say things like that,maybe not such big important stuff like raising bin-lids or shacking up together.But people can,and do,change,and you cannot be faulted for accepting what he said at first and then deciding it was not what you wanted.We all,at times,accept other peoples decisions even if they are not what we want.It's called compromise,and it's what makes relationships work.Sometimes we harbour a secret hope that the other person will,in time,change their standpoint.There's nothing wrong with that,and there's nothing wrong with calling it off if you felt that he wasn't going to meet you part-way.His behaviour after you parted company,along with the point-blank refusal to make an effort,show arrogance and insensitivity.Funnily enough,they are the sort of qualities that some girls go for in a man,but he doesn't sound like he's really your type when you break it down.It don't make it any easier to deal with the emotional upset that it has obviously caused you,but it seems like you have an awful lot of niceness to give some lucky chap,so don't waste any more time on this guy.As many times as it has been said in the past,it's probably still true...HE DON'T DESERVE YOU!

Men,they're all bastards.....

Eugene Speed (Eugene Speed), Thursday, 23 January 2003 02:16 (twenty-three years ago)

So what were you supposed to do? Move there, resent him, and have an "accident" to get kids? That'd make you a terrible person (not really but more terrible than this, which is definitely NOT terrible). If you two definitely want 100% different things in such major aspects of your life, what exactly were you supposed to do? You didn't "change the game plan", you realized you just couldn't go through with the things he wanted you to do, and I don't think that's wrong.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 23 January 2003 02:24 (twenty-three years ago)

If you cannot live with certain conditions and he insists upon them, then it makes no difference how you arrived at that point, once you are there it is imperative that you recognize this fact. No, you didn't 'change the rules', since the only operative rule in a relationship is that you find a way to live with each other that you both can live with.

You do not, any more than anyone else, come with a guarantee not to change in inconvenient ways. It is not for him to say you must sacrifice for him. Any sacrifice you make must be gladly given, and therefore not a sacrifice. Wouldn't he just love it if you'd suppressed your feelings just long enough for them to turn into a simmering rage? Ducky!

Aimless, Thursday, 23 January 2003 05:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Doing exactly the right thing in a tasteful manner != being a terrible person.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 23 January 2003 09:20 (twenty-three years ago)

You did a very brave and difficult thing, you are so not as terrible person. Hope things get better soon and you find a man who appreciates you.

smee (smee), Thursday, 23 January 2003 09:35 (twenty-three years ago)

Everything I'd say has been said. No, you're not a terrible person, far from it.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 23 January 2003 10:03 (twenty-three years ago)

As far as I know you may well be a terrible person, but the details you give above are no reason to make that assumption.

If you've neglected to mention that you've killed a few people and drunk their blood on the side then yes you are a terrible, terrible person.

Pete (Pete), Thursday, 23 January 2003 10:46 (twenty-three years ago)

What everyone else said, except Pete of course.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 23 January 2003 18:21 (twenty-three years ago)

But if I killed them and didn't drink their blood, I'm okay?

luna (luna.c), Thursday, 23 January 2003 19:05 (twenty-three years ago)

If you bottled it for fermentation, there might be questions.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 23 January 2003 19:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Now there's an image

luna (luna.c), Thursday, 23 January 2003 19:11 (twenty-three years ago)

you are not a terrible person. He's hurt and sounds like a terrible person and is making you think that you're a terrible person. But the truth is, you're both good people who want different things. The no new kids thing was ok for a while, but you changed your mind which is fine. He won't compromise and neither will you, so there's nothing else to be done but to break it off sooner than later - which is easier to say than to do.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 23 January 2003 19:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Sometimes tough decisions need to be made. Stick to your guns. Resolve is everything.

Lara (Lara), Thursday, 23 January 2003 20:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Thanks y'all, for your input - it's helping :)

luna (luna.c), Friday, 24 January 2003 01:07 (twenty-three years ago)

two weeks pass...
At least they were until last night, when I got an email telling me how awful I am... how is he supposed to explain this to anyone? Could I do it from his point of view? No, because it's bullshit, I was obviously not being honest ever with anything I said to him, nor was I ever honest with how I felt, I'm willing to miss out on this because of something that might not ever happen, in fact, I probably made the whole thing about the kids/moving up CLEARLY because I was too chickenshit to be open and honest and willing to take the risk - which is what he did, even though it SCARED HIM TO DEATH - I couldn't FACE THE TRUTH and take a chance on what would have been a LOVING AND HONEST relationship for my son and I, in fact A BETTER LIFE, and this, THIS is what he's left with, all this negativity, this is what he's left with from knowing me, from loving me...

Well fuck me. I talked to him online a little and allowed as to how I missed him (and I do somewhat) and he said "GOOD" very smugly and logged off. I left a message saying "I realize you think I mean I miss us, and to an extent, I do, but mostly what I mean is I miss the friendship. I'm not completely wrong and you aren't completely right." This morning, I have a message back saying "Yes, yes I am."

Obviously there's no point in continuing this discussion. He's right, he's little red riding hood and I'm the big bad wolf. Why, why then do I feel so shitty? I am not completely wrong here! Why is it so much easier to believe the negative things people say than the good ones?

luna (luna.c), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 17:55 (twenty-three years ago)

You feel shitty because you care about your ex-bf. That caring has depth and history and doesn't go away just because you went away from the relationship. For "a little over a year", you cultivated his friendship, treated his opinions as important and worth your respect, and you tried to harmonize your life with his.

It is, obviously, emotionally dissonant to try to reconcile those lingering feelings with his current pronouncements on your character. Feelings want to chime, not think or reason. You'll just have to get used to your head and your heart being out of synch on this for a while.

Aimless, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 18:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Aimless, I think you're right. I also think all mail for me should hereafter be addressed to the highest mountaintop in Nepal, as that's where I'm headed as soon as I can find the lid to my travel coffee cup and my ugg boots. If they can't find me, they won't want me!

luna (luna.c), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Luna, I would just echo what Aimless say. Emotions don't "msake sensee,' - that's why they are emotions, and I believe your ex is so hurt, that he cannot reason or compromise here, because he feels so betrayed, that he's left in a position feeling that he'll never be able to emotionally forgive you. Perhaps mentally, but not emotionally.

And no, it is not your fault, but, as Ally said above, it would have been if you had lied to yourself and to him and gone through with it. As cliche as it is, you cannot be true to anyone else if you aren't honest with yourself. It takes a lot of courage to do what you did, as most would have postponed it or tried o "deal," out of fear of hurting him, or guilt. just think of it this way: isn't it better that if this was to end, it ended at this point, rather than years later when you could not take it any longer, when you two would have been even more deeply emotionally involved and the feelings of hurt and betrayal and guilt even more intensified? You saved both yourself AND him, from so much pain.

Now you have to feel comfortable with all of your feelings - including this "guilt." It's absolutely OK to feel it. You loved him. It was real. if it wasn't, you wouldn't feel so rotten right now. So take your feelings of rotteness as proof that what you had WAS meaningful to you; don't fear them, don't indulge in them either, but feel them, and allow yourself to release them. If you don't experience them, they will come out later, in ways you may not like (believe me). Just remember: this too shall pass.

A trip for a few days might really be a good idea, whether it's Newport Beach or Nepal. Oh, and I'd like to say: thank you for posting this anyway, since i am going through something similar in only one aspect - the person is in your position, wonder how they can be true to themselves, and before I thought that they were really selfish and dishonest...but this thread has helped me see that perhaps if they were not honest with themselves, they'd never be honst with me either. Thank you.

Vic (Vic), Thursday, 13 February 2003 07:02 (twenty-three years ago)

four years pass...

I recently broke up with someone I had been dating for a little over a year. It was a long distance relationship, as he lives about 500 miles from me, but we spoke on the phone and online nearly every day

gershy, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 05:56 (eighteen years ago)

I recently had small tits, but I had been thinking about enlarging them for a little over year. It was a long thought process, as I grudgingly live with what I have every day & I saw them relatively frequently, but I wanted them to seem larger, & they do (mostly my effort there), so things seemed to be okay. I am 36C, divorced from any reality, and have a 13 year old daughter, who has not helped my tits grow nearly as much as I hoped she would. At 31, nearly divorced, I have lived all over the world and back again. The problem: I want my boobs bigger, but I don't want to go back to Dr. Spaceman. Wouldn't consider either one, full stop.

deeznuts, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 06:13 (eighteen years ago)

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That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 13:52 (eighteen years ago)

You're very far from a terrible person, it seems to me.
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Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 13:53 (eighteen years ago)

As far as I know you may well be a terrible person, but the details you give above are no reason to make that assumption.

If you've neglected to mention that you've killed a few people and drunk their blood on the side then yes you are a terrible, terrible person.

-- Pete (Pete), Thursday, January 23, 2003

Pete OTM!

Laurel, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 14:07 (eighteen years ago)

seventeen years pass...

I'm mostly kidding posting here, but: I was at a Friends of the Library meeting tonight, and, as they always do, they started with everyone introducing themselves, and (tonight) also saying the one thing they were most hoping for in 2025. There were about 30 people in the room. 29 of them wanted world peace, cures for diseases, an end to homelessness, kindness, etc. I was second to speak: I said I wanted the Jays to get rid of Mark Shapiro and Ross Atkins. If I'd been 30th, I don't think I would have said anything different.

clemenza, Thursday, 9 January 2025 05:48 (one year ago)

All I see is a real one in the midst of some performance cowards

H.P, Thursday, 9 January 2025 07:32 (one year ago)

I would have wished for infinite wishes

MJ Slenderman (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 9 January 2025 07:46 (one year ago)

Absolutely incredible OP/thread title combo, might be unbeatable

gyac, Thursday, 9 January 2025 09:36 (one year ago)

I couldn't finish it tbh.

Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 January 2025 10:00 (one year ago)

Maybe it wasn’t really him ;)

sarahell, Thursday, 9 January 2025 11:53 (one year ago)

I had dinner not too long ago at a ramen restaurant where they seat you in small groups, serve everybody at the same time, and and at the end of the meal diners are encouraged to stand up and announce a dream (personal goal) of theirs. While everybody else had the expected boilerplate stuff (I dream of a big work promotion, continued health of my family, move to a new city, etc.) I announced that my dream was to be able to slam-dunk a basketball on a regulation-height rim, which went over like a lead balloon and earned what might charitably be called a smattering of polite applause.

henry s, Thursday, 9 January 2025 13:38 (one year ago)

what's the name of this restaurant so i make sure to NEVER go there omg

maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 9 January 2025 13:42 (one year ago)

There used to be a chain like this here … it wasn’t ramen, it was raw food … Cafe Gratitude… my mom had read some positive article about it in the paper, so I went with my parents and we were seated at the same table with a cancer survivors support group.

sarahell, Thursday, 9 January 2025 13:56 (one year ago)

We ended up leaving after appetizers and went to Saul’s deli, for which we had much gratitude.

sarahell, Thursday, 9 January 2025 13:59 (one year ago)

sharing something personal with strangers is something I don't have time for
it's like that scene in the godfather when Vito tells sonny, 'never tell someone outside the family what you're thinking'

calstars, Thursday, 9 January 2025 14:02 (one year ago)

In my younger years, I definitely would have said something along the lines of “I would like to taste human flesh just once”

DJP, Thursday, 9 January 2025 15:09 (one year ago)

Another quirk about this particular ramen place is that they have only one basic item on the menu, a ramen bowl, and you decide how much pork you want added (none - a ton.) At the end of the meal, whether you share a dream or not, the other diners are encouraged to clap if you've finished the whole thing. Or not if you haven't.

henry s, Thursday, 9 January 2025 15:18 (one year ago)

Imagine getting no dream applause and no ramen applause.

jmm, Thursday, 9 January 2025 15:27 (one year ago)

Jesus that place sounds like a living nightmare. I would die.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 January 2025 15:30 (one year ago)

I did get the ramen applause, which was no mean feat since those bowls are HUGE. But the hostess had no problem shaming the lightweights by asking the other diners to hold their applause. Kinda weird in hindsight.

henry s, Thursday, 9 January 2025 15:30 (one year ago)

incredible revive

imago, Thursday, 9 January 2025 15:36 (one year ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxRJnWSjjwc

sleeve, Thursday, 9 January 2025 15:39 (one year ago)

this thread invented r/aita

symsymsym, Thursday, 9 January 2025 17:05 (one year ago)

nah that was south asians iirc

rob, Thursday, 9 January 2025 17:11 (one year ago)

bravo

Number None, Thursday, 9 January 2025 17:28 (one year ago)

nice

symsymsym, Thursday, 9 January 2025 17:46 (one year ago)

terrible idea: a restaurant with incomprehensible rules which follow dream logic and constantly change, called Finnegan's Steakhouse.

MJ Slenderman (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 9 January 2025 17:52 (one year ago)

When you've finished your meal, you have to start all over again.

I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Thursday, 9 January 2025 17:58 (one year ago)

it wasn’t ramen, it was raw food … Cafe Gratitude

I remember that place... my buddy went there once with Dan Akroyd for some reason, I guess he wanted to check it out

There was just an article about a bay area vegan chain that abruptly closed when they started serving 'farm-raised, ethically sourced' meat and the vegans revolted... so they closed all locations. And they owner's parent was the founder of Cafe Gratitude

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 9 January 2025 17:59 (one year ago)

reddit AITA urtext

145 feet up in a Jeffrey Pine (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 9 January 2025 18:01 (one year ago)

oh sorry, that has been said

145 feet up in a Jeffrey Pine (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 9 January 2025 18:02 (one year ago)


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