Do loud, obnoxious people always claim they are shy?

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There's a great bit in 'Metropolitan' where some girl defends her choice of brutish boyfriend by claiming that underneath he's really shy and sensitive. At which point the (not shy and sometimes wanky) guy she's talking to explodes and shouts that if she ever met a genuinely shy man then she wouldn't even give them the time of day.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 24 January 2003 21:01 (twenty-three years ago)

well, you would have to open them up and look at their insides for the ans.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 24 January 2003 21:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Anus?

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 24 January 2003 21:26 (twenty-three years ago)

up I said. not down.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 24 January 2003 21:26 (twenty-three years ago)

It's true, girls generally don't give (us) shy fellas the time of day, much less a second thought. For the most part, it seems like females want men with an ACT NOW style, rather than the "well, I hope that by these longing, yearning looks across the room she realizes I want her to come over here and talk to me and find out what a sexy beast I am" retards like myself.

Can you blame them, though?

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 24 January 2003 21:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Loud men repel me.

― Lara (Lara), Friday, 24 January 2003 21:42 (twenty-three years ago)

No, nickalicious, I can't, and I don't want this just to become another 'nice guys finish last and girls suck' thread really. Forget the Metropolitan thing.

Would any self-confessed loud and obnoxious people like to comment?

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 24 January 2003 21:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Nice guys finish first.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 24 January 2003 21:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Would any self-confessed loud and obnoxious people like to comment?

N. - look to the hero inside yourself.

― Cozen (Cozen), Friday, 24 January 2003 21:45 (twenty-three years ago)

''It's true, girls generally don't give (us) shy fellas the time of day, much less a second thought.''

very close to my 'experience'.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 24 January 2003 21:46 (twenty-three years ago)

Cozen I really am not loud and obnoxious, at least not in real life. I'm not claiming to be mega-shy either. I'm just normal. Shy when it comes to approaching women if never ever approaching strangers I fancy counts as shy.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 24 January 2003 21:48 (twenty-three years ago)

No, at the request of N., I cannot support this thread hijacking.

I will now convert myself to the loud obnoxious go-after-what-I-want-everyone-else-be-damned Guy which this thread is wishing to contact...

*ahem*

(game face now ON)

FUCK OFF THEN!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 24 January 2003 21:49 (twenty-three years ago)

*almost afraid to post in case I'm deemed loud and obnoxious*

Most of the people I consider loud and obnoxious, *know* that they are obnoxious and say that they are shy/sensitive to recoup what they have lost by being repulsive morons.

― Lara (Lara), Friday, 24 January 2003 21:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Who d'ya fancy N? I'll put a word in for ya...

― Lara (Lara), Friday, 24 January 2003 21:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Cozen I really am not loud and obnoxious, at least not in real life.

But I won't come for a pint with you, because I'm scared; you must be.

(I think subliminally I'm scared of your [reputed] good looks and swarthy wit, that I won't measure up. This is [rationally] silly.)

― Cozen (Cozen), Friday, 24 January 2003 21:50 (twenty-three years ago)

SWARTHY wit?

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 24 January 2003 21:51 (twenty-three years ago)

He is cute as a button though.

― Lara (Lara), Friday, 24 January 2003 21:52 (twenty-three years ago)

I think he meant "burly, unshaven wit".

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 24 January 2003 21:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Looks up word. Wow. I always had a different idea of what 'swarthy' meant. Thanks Cozen (P.S. I didn't know who you were - stop changing names)

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 24 January 2003 21:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Main Entry: swar·thy
Pronunciation: 'swor-[th]E, -thE
Function: adjective
Inflected Form(s): swar·thi·er; -est
Etymology: alteration of obsolete swarty, from swart
Date: 1587
: of a dark color, complexion, or cast
- swar·thi·ness noun

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 24 January 2003 21:55 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes I know this now. I kind of thought it was something to with lecherous Greek men.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 24 January 2003 21:58 (twenty-three years ago)

Hang on. I thought he said 'warty'...

― Lara (Lara), Friday, 24 January 2003 21:59 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.swarthy.com/

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:04 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.warty.com

:-(

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:05 (twenty-three years ago)

The dotcom bubble has truly burst.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:06 (twenty-three years ago)

I thought "swarthy" was derived from "swathes". Anyway, the compliment still holds. Thought it'd have been better if I wrote the dictionary.

― Cozen (Cozen), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Shall we all be loud and obnoxious about it in the manner: 'bloody knew it would/dotcom my arse etc??

― Lara (Lara), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh, I thought wit of a dark complexion was fine. You could have got away with it.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:09 (twenty-three years ago)

I nominate me poster of the night.

― Cozen (Cozen), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:11 (twenty-three years ago)

PS cozen is in the dictionary.

― Cozen (Cozen), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:12 (twenty-three years ago)

You have runied my thread.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:13 (twenty-three years ago)

'Runied' - now there's a great word.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:13 (twenty-three years ago)

It was pretty runny to begin with.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:13 (twenty-three years ago)

It's pronounced 'roo-kneed'.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:14 (twenty-three years ago)

But it's alright, I'm 'poster of the night'. (Note: the inverted quotes which give my statement a claim to legitimacy.)

― Cozen (Cozen), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:15 (twenty-three years ago)

It's only a little 't' away from reunited. Awwwwww.

― Lara (Lara), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:15 (twenty-three years ago)

Like a kangaroo? < /alexchilton>

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:15 (twenty-three years ago)

And an e. Drugs always help.

― Lara (Lara), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:16 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm shy.

― Cozen (Cozen), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:16 (twenty-three years ago)

But verbose!

― Lara (Lara), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:16 (twenty-three years ago)

If they had been proper quotation marks maybe (though not if they were quoting Ms.London magazine) but as inverted commas it just looks unconvincing. Like THE BEST 'CHEESEBURGERS' IN TOWN.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:17 (twenty-three years ago)

Who are you replying to? Or is that meant to mean a little something to all of us?

― Lara (Lara), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:19 (twenty-three years ago)

QED?

― Cozen (Cozen), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Cozen's 10:15 post, Lara.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Even if its "CHEESEBURGERS" - the inverted quotes are bringing up some serious authenticity issues - what's "" about the sandwich: the cheese of the burgers? I mean. Come on.

― Cozen (Cozen), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:21 (twenty-three years ago)

The cheese OR the burgers?

― Cozen (Cozen), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:22 (twenty-three years ago)

My point is that, in Britain at least, double quotation marks are used when one is quoting someone.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:23 (twenty-three years ago)

I can't trust a man who doesn't like practice.

― Cozen (Cozen), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:24 (twenty-three years ago)

''double quotation marks are used when one is quoting someone.''

I use two single quotation marks when quoting someone.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:24 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah but Julio you mean:

''I use two single quotation marks when quoting someone.''

NOT: 'I use two single quotation marks when quoting someone.'

Test: " != ''

― Cozen (Cozen), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, Julio, it's becoming rife. I heard a sub-editor moan about it. I believe it it's an American thing.

― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:26 (twenty-three years ago)

sorry that's 2 single quotation marks to make a double quotation mark. sinker picked up on it. a bad habit, I'm afraid.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:32 (twenty-three years ago)

The correct American usage is the quotation mark, not the inverted comma.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:32 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't think I'm shy, but people say I am.

― jel -- (jel), Friday, 24 January 2003 23:12 (twenty-three years ago)

I fancy this thread and everyone herein but I am too shy to approach it.

― Paul Eater (eater), Friday, 24 January 2003 23:44 (twenty-three years ago)

i like shy boys, definitely, but its hard to tell whether someone is genuinely shy or if they are the "strong silent type". i hate the strong silent type.

― di smith (lucylurex), Saturday, 25 January 2003 03:35 (twenty-three years ago)

I used to be painfully shy but overcame that in high school. Now I'm fairly loud and/or bold, though I still get stricken w/nerves when I'm around a woman I fancy

― M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 25 January 2003 03:39 (twenty-three years ago)

actually i feel i inhabit both the loud/obnoxious and shy categories at once. i can be painfully diffcult to talk to when around strangers, but all blahblahblah when around people i know well and/or are drunk.

― di smith (lucylurex), Saturday, 25 January 2003 04:07 (twenty-three years ago)

I think everyone has some degree of shyness anyway and everything being relative it's easy to say "I'm actually shy".

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 25 January 2003 16:05 (twenty-three years ago)

I have trouble with the idea that people are essentially fixed as any particular "way," like as*hole, loud, obnoxious, shy or whatever. People can be different ways at different times and they can change.

― felicity (felicity), Saturday, 25 January 2003 19:13 (twenty-three years ago)

But people describe people according to their dominant traits, no?

― N. (nickdastoor), Saturday, 25 January 2003 20:11 (twenty-three years ago)

It's very tempting, but there's still a leap between describing and distilling. Like you could say "that was a rotten thing X did" or "X is rotten."

(Mind you, I spent half of last weekend saying to people "I'm not really this way," so I shouldn't talk.)

― felicity (felicity), Saturday, 25 January 2003 20:17 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm loud and outspoken and rude and a bastard. It's great. Emma still reckons I'm dead effeminate and sensitive though, just not shy about it.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 27 January 2003 11:47 (twenty-three years ago)

There's a great bit in 'Metropolitan' where some girl defends her choice of brutish boyfriend by claiming that underneath he's really shy and sensitive.
She's of course LOOKING too hard. She should realize that maybe he's brutish. Why look for sth in the inside that doesn't come out? Her partner could be anything underneath it all but what good does that do her? If the overall attitude is negative, she should care more about THAT (than what's inside).

― nathalie (nathalie), Monday, 27 January 2003 11:51 (twenty-three years ago)

And that ties it neatly in with the acting vs intention discussion on the nihilism thread from last week. Wow.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 27 January 2003 11:53 (twenty-three years ago)

"But look at him! He's Satan! He's the Prince of Darkness!"

"You don't know him like I do."

- Bill Hicks.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 27 January 2003 11:54 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm not shy at all, I can be very loud and I truly hope I'm not obnoxious.

― smee (smee), Monday, 27 January 2003 12:22 (twenty-three years ago)

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