Why do people steal so many books (etc.) from public libraries?

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I don't know why this continues to surprise me, but in a way it does.

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 24 January 2003 21:38 (twenty-three years ago)

The last day I worked at my public library, I made three fake cards and checked out a bunch of books I really wanted. However, I made certain to choose books that they had multiple copies of and that no one else ever checked out. Very fun indeed. I ended up giving the other two cards to some friends. God knows what they did.

I dunno, I guess I was pissed at the shitty things they made me do to keep me busy after I finished the real work. I just wanted to get my work done and read. Ironic. Or maybe not.

Girolamo Savonarola, Friday, 24 January 2003 21:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Because they are poor and the ink used on quality publications is nutritious AND delicious.

Lara (Lara), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:01 (twenty-three years ago)

(Sigh.) Don't take it out on the collection! What about the rest of the population? If there are duplicates, that probably means the book was in high demand (at least at some point), unless someone screwed up.

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 24 January 2003 22:02 (twenty-three years ago)

People screw the books that pooe people have to eat? That's disgusting.

Lara (Lara), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:03 (twenty-three years ago)

People screw the books that poor people have to eat? That's disgusting.

Lara (Lara), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:03 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm with you on this one, Rocket Scientist. I, a known book-obsessed person, spent many years of my youth lifting books from other people's houses, bookstores, etc. (yes, I am extremely ashamed of my actions and have discovered how anal I am about not leding out my books). But I am proud of the fact that I *never* took something from a Public Library - not certain if it was an ethical decision, or a fear of being caught by the intimidating librarian (half-moon glasses on chain and all). So this is basically the only morally "correct" thing I did as a teenager. Not sure that shines a particularly attractive light on my karmic accumulation chart.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:14 (twenty-three years ago)

The two most widely stolen books in the British public library system are the Guinness Book of World Records and the Bible. This is possibly a 'use other facts please'.

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:22 (twenty-three years ago)

D'you reckon it's hotel owners then?

Lara (Lara), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:23 (twenty-three years ago)

in my local libraries they have one of those barcode reader thingies but no security guards.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Isn't stealing a Bible an oxymoron? It's like getting run over by an ambulance.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Some guy called Gideon has apparently been nailed for it.

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:24 (twenty-three years ago)

Julio, barcodes do not set off alarms, if that's what you're implying.

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:24 (twenty-three years ago)

OK so whatever those things are then. well, they have them *italics on have them*.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:30 (twenty-three years ago)

?

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:32 (twenty-three years ago)

you know they have at HMV, all big chains have 'em.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:34 (twenty-three years ago)

a) *italics on have them*
b) still ?

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:36 (twenty-three years ago)

sorry the 'have them' should be italicised. you know italics? don't know how to do them on the web.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:39 (twenty-three years ago)

The angle brackets with 'i' in to start the italics, '/i' to end them.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:43 (twenty-three years ago)

sorry:

so its

angled bracket i words /i then angled bracket

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:48 (twenty-three years ago)

I still cannot parse your sentence. Am I being dim? I assumed the second 'have' was a mistake.

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:49 (twenty-three years ago)

no. it's me. I'm half asleep.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:52 (twenty-three years ago)

OK. I'm still confused about the italics detectors though.

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:53 (twenty-three years ago)

i used to in my youth steal queer books from libraries, read them in the woods and then leave them there, b/c i was ashamed of the librarian finding out.

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:53 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah, yeah, the italics detectors.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 24 January 2003 22:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Ethically, I'm against stealing books from libraries. Physically, I can't help it. I don't deliberately steal books, I just never get round to taking them back.

Libraries should be more mean. A few weeks ago, my good deed of the day was to take back the three books I'd borrowed from my local library in September 1999. They'd never even written to me to nag about them, and when I got there the total fine was a whopping £9.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Friday, 24 January 2003 23:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Maybe publi libraries should develop some sort of system of giving pre-addressed empty envelopes/packaging when a book is checked out, to make returns easier. But, of course, there is the issue of postage.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Friday, 24 January 2003 23:31 (twenty-three years ago)

what the hell is julio talking about?

my sister had a bunch of books out she kept meaning to read: eventually she noticed they were seven years overdue

i think she posted them in anonymously: she moved about four times in the in-between

they turned hackney library into the ocean

mark s (mark s), Friday, 24 January 2003 23:46 (twenty-three years ago)

I stole a millyun zillyun SPINS and Rolling Stones when I lived in Bloomington, IN (5th-8th grade). But that was cuz they didn't barcode them. They were ratty leftovers. You were supposed to "check them out" though (they'd just stamp it), but I never did.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 24 January 2003 23:48 (twenty-three years ago)

(Sigh.) Don't take it out on the collection! What about the rest of the population? If there are duplicates, that probably means the book was in high demand (at least at some point), unless someone screwed up.

Trust me, I worked there long enough to know that none of the 12 copies of the pseudo-Shakespearean "Edward III" were going anywhere, much less any of the 15 copies of Fadiman's "New Lifetime Reading List" (a rather handy book, I do say, and one that contributed greatly to my future literary education).

Perhaps one of these days when I get some real income I'll pay them back with a hearty donation. Until then...at least someone's getting good use out them and reading more.

Really, the patrons were vile. I made a huge display around the two "100 Books of the 20th Century" lists that came out around then. I think in the three months that was up, maybe five books from that display were checked out. On the bright side, whenever anyone checked out anything vaguely literate or intellectual, even if it was for school, I always said something encouraging about the book. Of course, if they were checking out Oprah's latest pick of the month, I just checked them out and told them to have a nice day.

Does all that make me evil? I've been burned at the stake before.

Girolamo Savonarola, Saturday, 25 January 2003 00:59 (twenty-three years ago)

I used to take books from my school library a bit, but only books that hadn't been checked out since the early 80s. No one even noticed.

Elisabeth (Elisabeth), Saturday, 25 January 2003 01:36 (twenty-three years ago)

> if they were checking out Oprah's latest pick of the month, I just checked them out and told them to have a nice day. Does all that make me evil?

Ah, the ultimate question - should we be thankful that Oprah has at least started people, whose reading tastes were limited to TV Guide, reading *real* books? (Ahem, maybe "real" isn't the best word choice, on second thought.) Anyway, I am really torn about such things - like if you're going to read, should you only read great literature? (And how is that defined?) Or should you read whatever it is that makes you happy (Steven King, Dannielle Steele, etc.)? Is the idea of having a literate population somehow less appealing if the vast majority only read, um, more "base" books/magazines? Or should we be thankful that they're reading and learning new words and new concepts and so forth - and just keep our fingers crossed that someday they'll investigate one of the books from the 100 Book of the 20th Century? Kinda like the debate in elementary schools about kids reading Harry Potter vs. Newberry winners.

I basically think that, ultimately, it's better to have people reading something rather than nothing.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Saturday, 25 January 2003 05:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Some of the Oprah books were really good particuarly the Wally Lamb books.

That Girl (thatgirl), Saturday, 25 January 2003 05:46 (twenty-three years ago)

That Girl, I was actually pissed that a couple of the books on my "Wish List" got co-opted by Oprah and then all I could find were the prints with the Oprah covers. So I didn't buy them.

(Wow, I didn't realize I was such a snob about such things!)

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Saturday, 25 January 2003 05:48 (twenty-three years ago)

you could have always put a cool sticker over the oprah seal

That Girl (thatgirl), Saturday, 25 January 2003 05:53 (twenty-three years ago)

*laughing* Now why didn't I think of that? I would love to have a good excuse to shop for stickers!

Actually, now Amazon is offering "The Oprah Edition" and the "Regular Edition" covers on various books that she's added to her Club. Apparently more than one person complained about Oprah seal.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Saturday, 25 January 2003 06:04 (twenty-three years ago)

GOOD HONKING LORD PEOPLE

I have to come by and clear all this mess up when I should be in bed, really, seriously now!

Julio's OG sentence = OK so whatever those things are then. well, they have them.

And he means those vertical plates placed right before the door which you have to walk in between to exit the building. Like, as he says, at yr local HMV. or Tower. or Virgin. or FYE. or Borders. or Barnes & Noble. The list goes on. Apparently it also includes Julio's local public library.

So you slide a magnetic something in the spine of the book (not a barcode) and unless it's depolarized at the checkout counter you'll make big beepity noises on yr way out and presumably one of the ladies will hop over the counter, chase you down and catch you in the back of the neck with a tomahawk.

You're all very welcome and good night.

Millar (Millar), Saturday, 25 January 2003 07:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Even better than stealing library books is finding a library that still hires out cassette tapes and taping stupid stuff over them. My friend got out Body Counts second album out of the library, hated it and so taped Body Counts first album over it and returned it. He also put one of our drunken casio keyboard songs at the end of Pulse by Pink Floyd.

Lynskey (Lynskey), Saturday, 25 January 2003 13:27 (twenty-three years ago)

The 'live' security tags at HMV do have barcodes on them (you prob. can't see them 'cos they're placed underneath the non-live 'butterfly' security stickers.)

Fascinating, huh?

Andrew L (Andrew L), Saturday, 25 January 2003 13:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Because people are evil greedy bastards. Up there with murderers and rapists in the hierarchy of evil. No, I'm not kidding.

Nicole (Nicole), Saturday, 25 January 2003 15:02 (twenty-three years ago)

''Julio's OG sentence = OK so whatever those things are then. well, they have them.

And he means those vertical plates placed right before the door which you have to walk in between to exit the building. Like, as he says, at yr local HMV. or Tower. or Virgin. or FYE. or Borders. or Barnes & Noble. The list goes on. Apparently it also includes Julio's local public library.

So you slide a magnetic something in the spine of the book (not a barcode) and unless it's depolarized at the checkout counter you'll make big beepity noises on yr way out and presumably one of the ladies will hop over the counter, chase you down and catch you in the back of the neck with a tomahawk.''

thank you mr millar! sorry ppl. yes its a magnetic plate then, so I hope that's all cleared up.

and my other point was that while HMV and other big chains have security guards to catch ppl, public libraries don't (though librarians aren't always old, just been there this morning to order some books (cage and adorno stuff from other libraries) and the girl was young and very nice and good looking, my latest crush I think).

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 25 January 2003 15:11 (twenty-three years ago)

The 'live' security tags at HMV do have barcodes on them

Yeah, I know. They're all raised and plasticky but I've never seen one of those in a book. I only mentioned it because idiots trying to steal books from the university library used to rip out the obviously-just-a-sticker plain barcode sticker used for identifying the book and march through the detector and get caught. They obviously thought there was something magical about black and white lines that was very futuristic and that librarians were stupid enough to design a system that could be disabled by a piece out of the page it was on. Yeah, the real thing is in the spine.

N. (nickdastoor), Saturday, 25 January 2003 17:18 (twenty-three years ago)

My library has a nifty high-security system whereby if you try and leave with items you have not checked out the magnetic alarm thingy stops these little knee high security gates from opening: however the system is not 100% w/r/t deactivating checked-out items: walking into suddenly rigid plastic gate at high speed is a fun way to leave yourself barely able to stand

My high school got a 200-book everyman classics set the last year I was there, as did most of them: it was some kind of milennium giveaway. Over the year I saw a total of two of them taken out by other people. I ended up with a shelfful of the things at home but took them back in a sudden fit of conscience in the last few weeks.

thom west (thom w), Saturday, 25 January 2003 17:19 (twenty-three years ago)

If your book is very late and you can't afford a fine, just return the book to the right place on the shelf yourself. After a while the library staff will check that they didn't check the book back in but not log it on the system properly and strike you from the record. Or alternatively, speed up the process by insisting that you returned it, then they will check.

N. (nickdastoor), Saturday, 25 January 2003 17:43 (twenty-three years ago)

''My library has a nifty high-security system whereby if you try and leave with items you have not checked out the magnetic alarm thingy stops these little knee high security gates from opening''

yeah this other library i go to has that. i forgot abt it actually.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 25 January 2003 18:52 (twenty-three years ago)

It's extremely easy to remove the security stickers from our books. There are plenty of places in the building where someone can do this without being seen and then walk out with one of our books.

Rockist Scientist, Monday, 27 January 2003 16:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes but what of the italics?

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 27 January 2003 17:01 (twenty-three years ago)

N- I wanted to italiacise the 'have them' to put an emphasis on it. but i don't know how to do that.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 27 January 2003 19:09 (twenty-three years ago)

I think a lot of library books are stolen accidentally. You check out books. Read them or don't read them. Stick them on your shelf when cleaning up one day without thinking. Move around lots of times and thus never getting warnings from that library on the other side of the country. One day someone happens upon and is like, "Wha-a-a-a??? You steal library books???"

(This may be a very naive point of view.)

Sarah McLusky (coco), Monday, 27 January 2003 19:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Because people are evil greedy bastards. Up there with murderers and rapists in the hierarchy of evil. No, I'm not kidding.

Not only is Nicole not kidding, I'm fully in agreement.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 27 January 2003 19:16 (twenty-three years ago)

They had them at my college library in the late 80s too, but the magnetised strips were sometimes very obvious. Some people used to have fun removing the magnetised strips and placing the strips in their friends' bags or clothing, causing all manner of hilarious confusion, as you can perhaps imagine.

Tim (Tim), Monday, 27 January 2003 19:22 (twenty-three years ago)

N- tim is doing *exactly* what i wanted. pay close attention you dimwit ;-)

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 27 January 2003 19:30 (twenty-three years ago)

i've considered lifting an out of print book or two from the library but I've never done it. I decided I would just make a photocopy of the whole thing for free on my office copy machine instead. now if I can just find a library with a copy of Locus Solus...

g (graysonlane), Monday, 27 January 2003 19:31 (twenty-three years ago)

we discovered that someone had ripped out 30 pages from one of our books on clinical governance. People who rip out pages are the absolute worst.

jel -- (jel), Monday, 27 January 2003 20:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Sorry Julio - I did get it eventually but I was just enjoying wallowing in the old days of genuinely thinking you were describing a security system as 'italics'.

N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 27 January 2003 20:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Some people used to have fun removing the magnetised strips and placing the strips in their friends' bags or clothing, causing all manner of hilarious confusion, as you can perhaps imagine.

In my high school, they did the same thing, but instead of pulling out the strips, they just hid the books in their friends' bags.

Christine "Green Leafy Dragon" Indigo (cindigo), Monday, 27 January 2003 22:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Some friends and I once executed a devious plan that was very much like something out of James Bond. The recepient, Keith McD (of this board), outside in a small alleyway/courtyard below the library which was on the first floor. Another friend kept watch over the librarians as I opened up a window, went to fetch the book in question, and tossed it out the window nonchalantly as I walked straight out of the building.

By golly, we felt good after that one. (It was a book on Rock Journalism, for those interested.) We even tried to pull off the same stunt with a book on Electronic Music (from the late 70's - classic stuff) but due to a close shave the book was lost forever.

This was from a school library, mind, so the only people we were depriving of the books were a bunch of twats who'd never get anything out of them anyway. Then again, I'm probably just saying that to shirk off the guilt.

Andrew (enneff), Monday, 27 January 2003 22:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Also, before our school installed a security system I used to always just walk out of the library carrying a book I wanted to read in my hand. I'd always return it, I just had some sort of weird phobia about my reading habits being monitored.

I can remember once I got caught doing this with another guy who actually had absent mindedly walked out with a book in his hand - I pulled off such a fantastic "Oh my, I'm dreadfully sorry," routine that I got off scot free, whilst the other guy (who, funnily enough, is into acting now) wasn't quite as convincing and had to go to detention. Hah.

Andrew (enneff), Monday, 27 January 2003 22:45 (twenty-three years ago)

three weeks pass...
What is wrong with these stupid fuckers who steal our Qur'ans, cutting out the page with the target? And then we get complaints when so much is reference only.

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 20 February 2003 21:45 (twenty-three years ago)

What are people stealing from libraries besides books???

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 20 February 2003 21:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Pens.

how many librarians are there on ILx?

gaz (gaz), Thursday, 20 February 2003 21:52 (twenty-three years ago)

lots. even more of us are former librarians.

people who steal books from any library are bad people.

As I should know, having never returned a book about mysticism to the library of the College Theological Society.

DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 20 February 2003 22:20 (twenty-three years ago)

DIRRTY!

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 20 February 2003 22:29 (twenty-three years ago)

had to stop a guy with a suspicious looking bulge in his pants once. "excuse me sir, would you mind dropping your pants?"

gaz (gaz), Thursday, 20 February 2003 22:33 (twenty-three years ago)

(It's never too late to return a book. Drop it and run if need be.)

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 20 February 2003 22:47 (twenty-three years ago)

are you now, or have you ever been, A Librarian?

Graham (graham), Thursday, 20 February 2003 22:49 (twenty-three years ago)


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