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In the realms of fiction and social theory, I have a pretty good sense of who the major authors were, and what the major works were. I have not read all of them (who has?), but I am familiar enough to know what to buy and read. History is a huge weakness of mine, however. I pick up as much as I can from periodicals, and I still remember most of what I have learned in my various classes over the years. I also still have ost of my textbooks. Textbooks, are balnd, however, and are quite general.

My interests lie in American history, European, and Colonial and Post-Colonial histories as well. Good histories of the Middle East, the less ideological the better, are also helpful. Lastly, what are some of the major canonical texts (besides Herodotus and "The Decline and Fall...".

Thanks

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Friday, 31 January 2003 17:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Whew, where to begin. Crucible of War is a very interesting history of the Seven Years War and its repercussions in America I've read recently, so that's my random recommendation to kick things off -- unfortunately can't recall the author's name.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 31 January 2003 17:51 (twenty-three years ago)

"Whew, where to begin."
I know I am overwhelmed too! This is a HUGE deficiency. In all other areas, I am ok.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Friday, 31 January 2003 17:58 (twenty-three years ago)

I only know the classical histories at any length: Thucydides' History of the Pennopelesian Wars (stern, tragic); Tacitus' Annals and Histories (deadly dry); Arrian's Anabasis (fun, kinda); and Seutonius' The Twelve Caesars (trashy).

I've read a few others (still slogging through the Oxford's Grand Expectations; tried Braudel) but would love to hear everyone else's suggestions.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 31 January 2003 17:59 (twenty-three years ago)

To make it a little easier for everyone, lets exclude works like Foucault's histories, as I tend to lump him in with social theorists like Baudrillard, etc.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Friday, 31 January 2003 18:08 (twenty-three years ago)

It's difficult for history to excell on all fronts. If the historian respects all the facts, there are often dull stretches. If it is exciting clean through the historian has often slighted the facts in favor of cleaning up the narrative.

I very much like the firsthand account of the Cortes invasion of Mexico, written by Bernal Diaz. The Penguin translation is entitled The Conquest of New Spain.

The story of the Pizarro conquest of the Incas is also prime stuff - high adventure, low cunning, treachery, nobililty, hair's breadth escapes and enough plot twists to sizzle your hair -- but the standard history by Prescott bogs down somewhat. There must be a better one out there, but I didn't find it.

Aimless, Friday, 31 January 2003 19:50 (twenty-three years ago)

The Glory and the Dream: A Narrative History of America 1932-1972 by William Manchester is a good primer for modern American history, covering social, popular, cultural developments as well as political and military.

felicity (felicity), Friday, 31 January 2003 19:56 (twenty-three years ago)

I second the Bernal Diaz. He wrote that book many years after it happened, and it amused me greatly that he could remember what everyone's horse looked like in great detail.

ryan, Friday, 31 January 2003 20:13 (twenty-three years ago)

please keep them coming!

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Friday, 31 January 2003 21:15 (twenty-three years ago)

Michael - would I be all set with the Penguin editions of the ancient texts? Or have you run across any special translation published elsewhere?

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Friday, 31 January 2003 21:23 (twenty-three years ago)

For like the 100000th time I'll mention From Dawn to Decadence which is fantastic and I'm still wading thru at my 5-pages-a-day pace.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Friday, 31 January 2003 21:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Now that you have posted it to this thread you can stop ;p

Also, another question... some publishers have put out books that are meant as companion to certain time periods, eg Oxford Companion and Penguin Historical Atlas. Any thoughts on these?

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Friday, 31 January 2003 21:41 (twenty-three years ago)

I can't vouch for all of these, but I've either read them or they've been highly recommended, and all are sitting on my shelves, if that helps:

Southern Cross: The Beginnings of the Bible Belt - Heyrman
Lost Discoveries - Teresi
Influenza 1918 - Iezzoni
The Templars - Read
The Freemasons - Ridley
Hirohito and the Making of Modern Japan - Bix
John Adams; The Great Bridge; The Path Between the Seas; The Johnstown Flood; Truman - McCullough
The Ottoman Centuries - Lord Kinross
The Crusades - Oldenbourg
Paris 1919 - MacMillan
The Crusades Through Arab Eyes - Maalouf
The Saudis - Mackey
Warriors of God - Reston
The Middle East: A History - Fisher and Ochsenwald
Bernard Lewis does some halfway decent stuff on the Middle East and some of Karen Armstrong's books are okay.

This ia an excellent thread!

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Friday, 31 January 2003 23:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Quickly glancing at my bookshelf for some ideas:

C. Vann Woodward (anything, but his first book Tom Watson, Agrarian Rebel is very good)
Palmer and Colton, World History (basic college-level Euro history text, but wonderfully written; not really fashionable at the moment though)
David Fischer, Albion's Seed (the best piece of American social history I know; very long and very ambitious, and really astonishing)


I'll think of some more later. But it looks like you have enough recommendations for a while.

Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 31 January 2003 23:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Michael - would I be all set with the Penguin editions of the ancient texts? Or have you run across any special translation published elsewhere?

I generally stick with the Penguins, through when I had to re-read Tactius for college, I tried the Modern Library version and found it slightly more scintillating than the Penguin one. I think there's an annotated Thucydides out there now, which is a FANTASTIC idea: you can't have enough maps and pictures for this kind of history.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 31 January 2003 23:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Here's another: The Making of the Atomic Bomb by Richard Rhodes.

The strength of this book is that it explains enough of the physics for the lay person to grasp what the physicists were doing and why, but never relaxs its grip on the narrative thread. It is a story of collaborative science on a massive scale, done by a few dozen intensely interesting people over a period of decades, starting with the Curies and Rutherford and working forward to the Trinity test and bombing of Japan. Excellent stuff.

Aimless, Saturday, 1 February 2003 06:01 (twenty-three years ago)

I’m an armchair historian and as such wouldn’t know the ‘major canonical texts’ but I’d heartily recommend anything by Eric Hobsbawn, especially his Age of Extremes: A History of the World, 1914-1991 . Scholarly, stimulating and a delight to read.

For a broad brush overview of European History Norman Davies’s Europe is well worth the effort, as his earlier work on Polish history. His book on the ‘Anglo-Celtic Archipelago’, i.e. UK and Ireland The Isles is good but Hugh Kearney’s British Isles is better and has the benefit of brevity. Linda Colley, Britons: Forging the nation 1707-1837 is a fascinating work on the making of modern Britain that I believe has become a ‘major canonical text’.

In a glut of books pandering to a morbid fascination with Nazi Germany Michael Burleigh’s The Third Reich: A new history stands out for the depth of its analysis. Props too to Golo Man’s History of Germany since 1789, beautifully written.

There is one book I’ve recently read that has made me think deeper and harder over contemporary European History more than any other: Mark Mazower’s Dark Continent:. Absorbing, though provoking and profoundly disturbing.

stevo (stevo), Saturday, 1 February 2003 06:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Aaron, I would agree, only my boyfriend - whenever I start raving about a passage - questions Barzun. hahaha Scepticism vs naivite, which ones wins? I do like the way he connects things. But dear OH dear, is that book loaded with (too much?) information.

nathalie (nathalie), Saturday, 1 February 2003 08:49 (twenty-three years ago)

eight months pass...
Historical materialism go a-bom-pa-bom-bom

REVIVAL

And
Search: EP Thompson 'The Poverty of Theory'
Destroy: Isaiah Berlin 'Historical Inevitability'

BUMP!!

Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 20 October 2003 09:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Liberty or Death by Patrick French is a jolly entertaining book about Indian independence. Not very scholarly, and certainly not a canonical text, but well researched and also a lot of fun.

freedom dupont, Monday, 20 October 2003 10:12 (twenty-two years ago)

five years pass...

What are some modern history books that would provide a readable background on communism? It wouldn't necessarily have to be called "Communism: The Book" or anything. It could just be a particularly meandering biography of some historical figure.

I don't care if you're blah, quite purple... (kingkongvsgodzilla), Friday, 22 May 2009 15:39 (seventeen years ago)

Actually, biographies are my preferred genre these days.

I don't care if you're blah, quite purple... (kingkongvsgodzilla), Friday, 22 May 2009 15:40 (seventeen years ago)

Bump

kingkongvsgodzilla, Friday, 22 May 2009 16:32 (seventeen years ago)

I read this in French so I don't know how it reads in English but it was an 'important' book in France when it came out.

The Black Book of Communism

Le présent se dégrade, d'abord en histoire, puis en (Michael White), Friday, 22 May 2009 16:57 (seventeen years ago)

While we're giving shout-outs to history books:

The Transformation of European Politics 1763-1848

Le présent se dégrade, d'abord en histoire, puis en (Michael White), Friday, 22 May 2009 17:05 (seventeen years ago)

Some others I have liked.

Le présent se dégrade, d'abord en histoire, puis en (Michael White), Friday, 22 May 2009 17:10 (seventeen years ago)

And if you want an interesting biography, I just finished this:

The Red Prince: The Secret Lives of a Habsburg Archduke

Le présent se dégrade, d'abord en histoire, puis en (Michael White), Friday, 22 May 2009 17:19 (seventeen years ago)

The most entertaining "court intrigue" book on communism may well be ]Stalin: The Court of the Red Tsar, by Simon Montefiore, some 800+ pages of scheming, sexual imbroglios, paranoia, and happy sunsets at the dacha.

Orlando Figes' A People's Tragedy: The Russian Revolution: 1891-1924 seems to be the best regarded current popular history of the revolutionary era. We're just now getting to the point where ideology doesn't dictate descriptive stance. I haven't read this yet, it stares menacingly at me from the shelf.

For China, I've only read a couple books by Jonathan Spence (the most engaging Western historian of China), recommend The Search for Modern China for sweep into the 20th century, but his forte is reconstructions of Ming & Manchu dynasty China from primary sources, Emperor of China: Self-Portrait of K'ang-Hsi, The Death of Woman Wang, and The Memory Palace of Matteo Ricci are all really amazing works that will cast you into that world at the top, the bottom, and from a visitor's perspective, respectively.

Derelict, Friday, 22 May 2009 18:06 (seventeen years ago)

one year passes...

Can anyone recommend an excellent single-volume history of the world?

"goof proof cooking, I love it!" (Z S), Saturday, 31 July 2010 19:07 (fifteen years ago)

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balls and adieu (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 31 July 2010 19:09 (fifteen years ago)

I've read and enjoyed J.M. Roberts' New Penguin History of the World. Don't know if I'd call it excellent but it's a serious and v. informative shot at this difficult genre.

Vlad the Inhaler (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 31 July 2010 19:12 (fifteen years ago)

xpost

praise the lord!

But I'm hoping for one that will fill in the gap between the first few centuries after j-christ and the end of the world.

"goof proof cooking, I love it!" (Z S), Saturday, 31 July 2010 19:12 (fifteen years ago)

I've read and enjoyed J.M. Roberts' New Penguin History of the World.

That happens to be the one I've read as well! I enjoyed it as well (although I think I petered out somewhere in the early Middle Ages, but I'd like to take another spin down world history memory lane and was hoping to start fresh with a new book.

"goof proof cooking, I love it!" (Z S), Saturday, 31 July 2010 19:13 (fifteen years ago)

typos/awful grammar galore, but hopefully that made sense.

"goof proof cooking, I love it!" (Z S), Saturday, 31 July 2010 19:14 (fifteen years ago)

Felipe Fernández-Armesto's Millennium is definitely worth a read too although you only get the last 1,000 years.

Vlad the Inhaler (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 31 July 2010 19:14 (fifteen years ago)

Ah, I'm glad you mentioned that, I remember nearly purchasing it a few years ago but ended up reading something else instead for some reason. Maybe I'll give it a shot. Also, I'm reminded that I invested a good deal of time into Barzun's From Dawn to Decadence (which covers the last 500 years), but found it pretty incomprehensible despite widespread critical acclaim.

"goof proof cooking, I love it!" (Z S), Saturday, 31 July 2010 19:18 (fifteen years ago)

There's a one-volume abridgement of Fernández-Armesto's history of the World too, apparently, but I've not read it.

Vlad the Inhaler (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 31 July 2010 19:19 (fifteen years ago)

xpost huh, I only knew Barzun from his music theory, didn't know he did other things, but that's certainly some bibliography he's got there.

I've been half wondering about this myself, so question much appreciated!

Merdeyeux, Saturday, 31 July 2010 19:25 (fifteen years ago)

I loved Barzun's From Dawn to Decadence. It's thick and at times a slog, but every chapter upsets some received notion with insight and elan.

balls and adieu (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 31 July 2010 19:26 (fifteen years ago)

Ha, pretty much everything I've ever read about From Dawn to Decadence was reverential, so I'm not sure what my deal is.

"goof proof cooking, I love it!" (Z S), Saturday, 31 July 2010 19:29 (fifteen years ago)

not one volume, and in fact only two volumes of the planned four volumes have been published so far, but I enjoyed Susan Wise Bauer's world history so far:

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however, I don't really know anything about history; these books might be more boring to people more knowledgeable about history than me

congratulations (n/a), Saturday, 31 July 2010 20:20 (fifteen years ago)


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