North Korean Ballistic Missiles......

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....can apparently reach the Western United States (although they haven't been flight-tested yet)...or so says FBI chief director George Tenet.

My question: Isn't there a missile defense system in place? Wouldn't we be able to intercept (read: shoot down) any impending missile?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:04 (twenty-three years ago)

The old treaty (which I believe was being merrily ignored/trashed by BushCo last I checked) did allow some ABMs to remain in place. Question is, where are they and what direction are they aimed at?

Tenet is CIA, BTW.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:07 (twenty-three years ago)

ooh whoops, you're right, Ned. I get'em confused.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Western US = Aleutian Islands and no further. The mainland Hawaii (and rest of Alaska) is safe.

ABMs under the old treaty were never deployed in US; maximum two sites were authorized under it.

No One (SiggyBaby), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Time to warm up my old Missile Command skills, obviously. Question is, what the hell do I do when that huge ass satellite with eyes comes over too quickly?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:10 (twenty-three years ago)

The more obvious target is Japan due to the symbiotic relationship between the US and Japan economies.

No One (SiggyBaby), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:11 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm more concerned about the threat fron N Korea than Iraq.

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:15 (twenty-three years ago)

Hmm, just read the article at CNN. Tenet is claiming that NK’s new missile is capable of hitting Hawaii, Alaska and the west coast, contrary my earlier post.

No One (SiggyBaby), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:17 (twenty-three years ago)

deterrence baby!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:50 (twenty-three years ago)

JF Dulles should be turning in his grave. (He is dead, right?)

Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Just after pulling out of the treaty (pulling out = pax interruptus?), it was announced that missle defense stations would be installed immediately in the Aleutians. The means that they were probably already there and operational; they were now just being made public.

No One (SiggyBaby), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Having grown up in regular high risk situations for being offed in case of a nuclear attack (Navy dad = living near a Navy base = well, there you are), I'm not totally frazzled by this. Somewhat, obviously -- who wouldn't be?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Go, and be at peace. All praise be to Allah.

jm (jtm), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:18 (twenty-three years ago)

North Korea is WAY scarier than Iraq I must say. They have like a million-man army and a, well, very scary dictatorship which is isolated from the rest of the world. All this posturing they're doing is, well, kind of serious, doncha think Mr. Prez?

Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:25 (twenty-three years ago)

I think it's the equivalent of somebody usually ignored by others saying "You HAVE to pay attention to me because I have a gun!" Life-threatening, yes, but not the end times automatically.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:27 (twenty-three years ago)

But North Korea has very good reasons for wanting to be paid attention to. Their population is starving, and I imagine their ability to fund their military and Kim's lavish lifestyle will inevitably suffer if the country continues its present course.

Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:30 (twenty-three years ago)

North Korea = that kid at the bumper car ride who's stuck in the corner, except with nuclear bombs

Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:33 (twenty-three years ago)

I think the point is it's already suffering big time. Actually, how do they fund what they do? Is China the major trading partner or...? My understanding was that at one point there was a large amount of funds crossing over the Sea of Japan from expatriate workers in Japan itself...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:38 (twenty-three years ago)

I think they get money by starving their citizens.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:50 (twenty-three years ago)

I presume you don't mean that as cause and effect. ;-)

"Dude! We starved the one guy and he turned into gold."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:55 (twenty-three years ago)

hehehe... if only running a regime were so easy!

"Raggett, Warshaw, Smith... the coffers are low. Sorry."

Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:57 (twenty-three years ago)

north korean propaganda = WAY FUNNIER than iraqi propaganda. Saddam has never had a picture of an American soldier cutting down a tree with the caption "American troops of aggression commit an act of bold provocation -- cutting down a tree!"

Tad (llamasfur), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:58 (twenty-three years ago)

its a 3stage ballistic. there have been no test fires.
in 1998, n.korea tried to launch a satellite using one of these and failed. i have more fear of choking to death on my own spit.

kephm, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:29 (twenty-three years ago)

not funny:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38303000/jpg/_38303567_150poster_ap.jpg

Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:31 (twenty-three years ago)

am i hot or not:

Full display of strong anti-imperialist fighting spirit called for

Pyongyang, January 9 (KCNA) -- The army-centered policy of the Workers' Party of Korea fully demonstrates its vitality in the revolutionary practice as it is based on a do-or-die anti-imperialist spirit, says Rodong Sinmun on Jan. 9 in a signed article. It goes on: Fully reflected in the army-based policy is the unshakable anti-imperialist spirit of fighting to the last at the risk of one's life against anyone who tries to encroach upon the sovereignty of Korea and the nation.
Its sovereignty is guaranteed by armed forces.
Arms serve as an invincible treasured sword that can be placed in the hands of only those with faith and will ready to fight against enemies to a finish.
The revolutionary spirit of soldiers is now being fully displayed among the servicepersons and the whole society is learning from it as it helps step up the advance of the era of army-based policy. Underlying this spirit are the firm resolution and will of the army and the people of the DPRK to devotedly implement the army-centered policy of the party based on the staunch anti-imperialist fighting spirit.
The army-based policy reflects the transparent spirit of class struggle, the spirit of allowing neither compromise nor concession in the confrontation with imperialists.
The master key to emerging victorious in this confrontation lies in firmly adhering to the revolutionary principle.
Our army remains strong regardless of whether enemies pursue an appeasement policy or a hardline one. It does not allow any slightest compromise or concession in the struggle against class enemies.
The army-based policy is based on the firm revolutionary principle that the DPRK will never lay down arms of the revolution and class as long as imperialists remain on earth.
Korean-style socialism is sure to triumph as long as the army-centred policy of the WPK remains in force.

Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:41 (twenty-three years ago)

I like the idea that there are these Great Leap Forward-esque shifts in the language and functioning of North Korean internal propaganda ("advance of the era of army-based policy," etc.) but no one is paying much attention.

Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Here is a wonderfully informative page at fas.org which details the missile in question. It is 2-3 stages though I heard more recently on the radio that it is only a two stager. The next step in the DPRK's escalation will likely be a test firing of this beast.

North Korea is possibly more dangerous than Iraq in terms of its actual ability to harm people/things in the US or elsewhere, but it is not ready to go to war. KJI is playing brinkmanship policy games in order to get more concessions and aid - I don't think it's very likely they will attempt to attack anyone. Not even China is backing them up on this bullshit.

It is the instinct of a dictator to survive - KJI has to know that if he tries anything to turn this into a real military confrontation he'll have his ass handed to him on a platter by the end of the month, even if we are busy in Iraq at the time. The hawks in Japan are itching to sink their teeth into him, South Korea has been training for a fight like this for five decades, and China knows that it could easily get several points in the superpower cred department if it wiped the floor with a threat like North Korea (which would take all of twenty minutes for them to do).

Millar (Millar), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:50 (twenty-three years ago)

nk is not interested in war or anything

it is a) asking to be left the hell alone, and b) taking advantage of iraq situation to say so

gareth (gareth), Thursday, 13 February 2003 00:58 (twenty-three years ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38303000/jpg/_38303567_150poster_ap.jpg

Gotta say -- that is *SEVERELY* fucked up.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 13 February 2003 01:07 (twenty-three years ago)

And another one...


http://www.theofficersclub.com/posted_images/nkposter.jpg

Chris Barrus (xibalba), Thursday, 13 February 2003 01:26 (twenty-three years ago)

North Korean propaganda is so 3 years ago.

-been reading www.kcna.co.jp for laughs since 1997-
Alan

Alan Conceicao, Thursday, 13 February 2003 02:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Shit, I need to get out my dictionary something fierce

Millar (Millar), Thursday, 13 February 2003 02:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Tom, I'll handle it. The poster says: "Please refrain from foul language lest you set a scenario in motion that ends in the horrible events pictured herein."

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 13 February 2003 03:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Quite the bullet he's got there.

jm (jtm), Thursday, 13 February 2003 03:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Also remember that North Korea is the only nation in the world with a dead person as head of state. Kim il Sung is still president and supreme leader in perpetuity, he's been dead for some years now.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 13 February 2003 08:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Amateurist, can you translate the first one?

If all of this "can hit West Coast" stuff is true, mybe maybe maybe they'll spare LA since our K-town has the best and most plentiful Boba Locas of any K-town around?

Vic (Vic), Thursday, 13 February 2003 08:41 (twenty-three years ago)

The three-stage supposedly has a range of 9600 miles, meaning it could reach anywhere in the U.S. I'll be under my desk again if you need me.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Thursday, 13 February 2003 13:45 (twenty-three years ago)


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