― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:27 (twenty-three years ago)
― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:31 (twenty-three years ago)
― Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:31 (twenty-three years ago)
I'm sorry. It's just like kate and the Julian Casablancas thing. I can't help it.
― felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:35 (twenty-three years ago)
That said, the Mavs fall in the second round (no big surprise there) and the Western Conference Finals will be Lakers-Kings yet again. Nets will represent the East again, squeaking by the Pacers after Artesty kills Reggie Miller and Jermaine O'Neal in a fit of rage.
Raptors get Lebron.
Pitchers and catchers report on Friday!!!
Enuf of this "NY is gonna die" talk, Blount!
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:37 (twenty-three years ago)
1) Pat Burrell for CC fucking Sabathia (I needed pitching)
2) Jim Thome for Darryl Kile and Joe Randa (pitching again... Kile dies two days later)
3) Mark Prior for Jarrod Washburn (I was in the middle of the playoff race (top prize in my league is $1000) and wanted one more arm . Thinking of what happened to Kerry Wood (and $1000), I dealt Prior. I missed the playoffs by a miniscule amount. Twas dumb)
On the plus side I dealt Freddy Garcia for Brian Giles right before Garcia imploded!
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:39 (twenty-three years ago)
Pistons lack of scoring still a worry. They should have gone over 90 against the Bulls.
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:41 (twenty-three years ago)
bring it prior
― BLB, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:41 (twenty-three years ago)
― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:42 (twenty-three years ago)
― jm (jtm), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:44 (twenty-three years ago)
Unless they face the Lakers in the first.
― dleone (dleone), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:46 (twenty-three years ago)
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:47 (twenty-three years ago)
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:48 (twenty-three years ago)
I still think it's 2-3 years before the Lions become respectable, hopefully by which time we'll have a GM who isn't a complete clod.
I made the worst trade in my yahoo fantasy basketball league (gave up Jermaine O'Neal for Richard Hamilton... got hometown goggles and had plenty of centers and needed good FT%) but luckily am still in first place. Hurray for me.
― Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:50 (twenty-three years ago)
― dan (dan), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:52 (twenty-three years ago)
― Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:56 (twenty-three years ago)
― hstencil, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:58 (twenty-three years ago)
I don't think the Lakers will take the title. Yeah, Kobe's going off these days (that dunk last night was ridiculous), but the depth of Sacramento (assuming that they can get more than five guys to suit up at once) will take them in the end.
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:58 (twenty-three years ago)
― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:59 (twenty-three years ago)
Acosta didn't have Prior on enough of a pitch count last year. I was relieved he strained his hamstring running the bases so he could sit out the meaningless end of season.
Someone should draft Hee Seop Choi.
― felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:03 (twenty-three years ago)
As far as WRs go, you answered the Q: Charles Rogers makes that group much better (w/ the obvious understanding WR don't do well their rookie season).
They'll win 6 or seven games next year. I wonder if the over/unders are out in Vegas? I bet they have the Lions at like 5.5. Nice bet...
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:04 (twenty-three years ago)
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:06 (twenty-three years ago)
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:08 (twenty-three years ago)
You want to put your money where your mouth is?
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:09 (twenty-three years ago)
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:14 (twenty-three years ago)
I saw Bret Myers' debut last year. He is a phenom.
― felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:17 (twenty-three years ago)
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:22 (twenty-three years ago)
So yr bet is that the Phillies win the NL East, not the Braves (I would hardly call that a surprise, by the way)? $10?
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:22 (twenty-three years ago)
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:23 (twenty-three years ago)
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:24 (twenty-three years ago)
Sure, I'll take your money $10 bet, Yanc3y. We can give it to Matos for dangerouskeeping.
― felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:25 (twenty-three years ago)
hahahahahahah!
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:26 (twenty-three years ago)
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:27 (twenty-three years ago)
It would be worth $10 to see the Amazinglybads win the East! hahahaha
― felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:27 (twenty-three years ago)
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:29 (twenty-three years ago)
― felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:32 (twenty-three years ago)
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:35 (twenty-three years ago)
i may be interested so long as we can agree on fair, reasonable terms.
i commished a yahoo! league last year (and won handily btw) and am doing one with my friends but ya think you'd be interested?
― gygax!, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:37 (twenty-three years ago)
It's such a shame the noble Magglio Ordonez has to play in "U.S. Cellular" ballpark. I wouldn't criticize Cubs fans if I were you. Cubs fans may be stupid drunks who pour beer on the opposing outfielders but at least they don't attack the visiting coaches.
< /trash >
I would deffo be into an ILX fantasy baseball league.
― felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:38 (twenty-three years ago)
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:40 (twenty-three years ago)
― felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:43 (twenty-three years ago)
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:44 (twenty-three years ago)
― felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:45 (twenty-three years ago)
That's ok, though, all that money from U.S. Cellular should help nail down a long-term contract for Bartolo Colon.
I am a bit miffed that they sullied the bp w/ a Cub castoff like Flash Gordon, but hopefully they can salvage something from his arm..
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:59 (twenty-three years ago)
― felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 23:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 23:06 (twenty-three years ago)
― felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 23:07 (twenty-three years ago)
― bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 23:22 (twenty-three years ago)
― gygax!, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 23:23 (twenty-three years ago)
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 23:26 (twenty-three years ago)
I like when bnw calls the Chicago National League Baseball Club the "small bears."
― felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 23:26 (twenty-three years ago)
Count me in for any league in which my team is performing well. I AM ULTIMATE BAY AREA FAIRWEATHER FAN.
― Leee (Leee), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 23:47 (twenty-three years ago)
― gygax!, Thursday, 13 February 2003 00:39 (twenty-three years ago)
― felicity (felicity), Thursday, 13 February 2003 00:42 (twenty-three years ago)
the giants (like last year) have no pitching. it is amazing to me that they made it so far last year.
(although i had Damian Moss on my fantasy team last year and can vouch for him. he's very solid, anywhere but Atlanta he would have been recognized for the talent that he is... he's an aussie for all you SoHems).
NL WESTthe D-bax, los do-yers and the giants will be in tight race again. it's the just the way it is, and the way it will be.
― gygax!, Thursday, 13 February 2003 00:58 (twenty-three years ago)
― felicity (felicity), Thursday, 13 February 2003 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 13 February 2003 01:02 (twenty-three years ago)
NL West:Gnats, Jints, the Hated Ones (at least that's what Vic the Brick calls them in LA)Snakes, CZbacksDoggers, CodgersPodsDoes anyone really cares about the Rockies?
― felicity (felicity), Thursday, 13 February 2003 01:02 (twenty-three years ago)
― Aaron W (Aaron W), Thursday, 13 February 2003 01:13 (twenty-three years ago)
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 13 February 2003 01:15 (twenty-three years ago)
― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 13 February 2003 01:43 (twenty-three years ago)
― Leee (Leee), Thursday, 13 February 2003 02:36 (twenty-three years ago)
it's all good, see the other thread.
― gygax!, Thursday, 13 February 2003 02:42 (twenty-three years ago)
― felicity (felicity), Thursday, 13 February 2003 03:01 (twenty-three years ago)
1) received Sammy Sosa & Kaz Sasaki in exchange for Alex Rodriguez & Esteban Yan (to "shake up my team", since team chemistry is SO KEY in virtual sports)2) released Pat Burrell3) released Kevin Millwood, while biding my time with Ryan Dempster for 80% of the season, hoping & praying he'd get off the schnide (sic?); I dropped him in September4) after the A-Rod debacle, TURNED DOWN Miguel Tejada in exchange for Jimmy Rollins in some trade where the other folks didn't mean squat5) left Byung Hyun-Kim unprotected in a pre-season "expansion draft"6) traded Andruw Jones away because he pissed me off - of course, he played like a superstar for 2+ months post-trade, & even though he slipped back to pissy, I was still mighty grrrrrr7) no, wait - in that Jimmy Rollins fiasco, I ALSO rec'd Jeff Weaver, who proceeded to smoke enough pot to blow his chances pitching for a 1st-place team that scored 8+ runs a start for his dead ass
No, I ain't bitter. I just have a scary memory about these sorts of things. (I did manage to pick up Josh Phelps, though, & I also managed to see his major league debut, against the BoSox. Hit a hard single. He's a stud point five.)
Holy shit, a live draft would be so cool. I could practice all the techniques I learned from the Sports Guy's ESPN column!
― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 13 February 2003 03:03 (twenty-three years ago)
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 13 February 2003 03:18 (twenty-three years ago)
― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 13 February 2003 03:32 (twenty-three years ago)
lions as home team in super bowl in 2006? if they draft rogers hopefully harrington will think of throwing the ball downfield more than once a month. maybe brian griese will replace ty detmer as third stringer for the lions.
― keith (keithmcl), Thursday, 13 February 2003 04:50 (twenty-three years ago)
My preseason ILE thread about the NBA season said the Lakers would have an off year. But yeah, in that other thread I misjudged the Twolves big time (they still won't make the playoffs tho).
Here's that first thread (geez, I said Turkoglu would be a star -- whoops!):
Who in this bitch loves hoops (2002-2003)?
Oh, Phelps will NOT be catcher-eligible.
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 13 February 2003 16:12 (twenty-three years ago)
― maura (maura), Thursday, 13 February 2003 16:21 (twenty-three years ago)
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 13 February 2003 16:23 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 February 2003 16:30 (twenty-three years ago)
― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 13 February 2003 16:33 (twenty-three years ago)
A plate-glass ceilingThe 49ers almost hired a black coach. But they just weren't quite "comfortable" with him.
- - - - - - - - - - - -By King Kaufman
Feb. 13, 2003 | Well, we've found the glass ceiling for black head coaches in the NFL, haven't we? It's 9.375 percent, three out of 32. That's how many black coaches there are after this offseason's round of hirings. There have never been four.
Roughly two of every three NFL players are black.
The last coaching vacancy was filled Tuesday, and rather than hire one of the three rumored front-runners -- all defensive coordinators, two of them black -- the San Francisco 49ers pulled an emergency switcheroo to a retread white guy, a successful college coach with a four-year record of mediocrity in the NFL, a fellow who says he had no idea he was in the running for the job four days before he got it. San Jose Mercury News columnist Skip Bayless called him "Dennis 'You've Got to Be Kidding' Erickson."
Whew! Almost had a fourth black head coach there.
There were five coaches hired this winter, and one of them, Marvin Lewis, is African-American. But he was hired by the Cincinnati Bengals, who are in the NFL only in the most technical sense. The Bengals, recently saluted by ESPN the Magazine as the worst franchise in North America, are run by Mike Brown, the most clueless idiot in all of sports -- and my rankings include Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling, ESPN talk-show host Max Kellerman and myself. The eminently qualified Lewis is almost certain to fail. If he doesn't, he ought to get a real coaching job and a MacArthur "genius" grant.
Nobody's suggesting that any NFL team should be forced to hire a black coach when it feels it has the right man for the job and he's white. The woeful Detroit Lions found themselves in a position to hire Michigander Steve Mariucci, the successful 49ers coach who was fired because of office politics, and so they did. The Lions reportedly followed the NFL's new policy by inviting several blacks to interview, but, surely realizing such an interview would have been a charade, they all said no. Well, fine. Not ideal, and you can argue that maybe the invitees should have put in an appearance, just to keep the ball rolling, but let's be realistic. Mariucci is a lottery pick of a hire.
But the way the 49ers leaped at Erickson made it look as though his name had suddenly come up in a desperate 11th-hour meeting to solve the "we're about to hire a black guy" problem.
The leading candidates had been defensive coordinators Ted Cottrell of the New York Jets, Greg Blache of the Chicago Bears and the 49ers' own Jim Mora. Cottrell and Blache are black. They both were interviewed twice, a fact that the usually secretive 49ers made no attempt to hide.
Cottrell had emerged as the front-runner. He was the defensive coordinator for the Buffalo Bills in the late '90s, when their defense was among the best in the league. The Bills passed on him in 2001 in favor of Gregg Williams, who took over an 8-8 team and has led them to 3-13 and 8-8 records, with defenses that have been among the worst in the league. The 49ers were the seventh team Cottrell had interviewed with. He has said that four times the process was legitimate. The other three he's called "bullcrap," a token parading of the black guy.
He was gracious after the surprising announcement Tuesday, praising the 49ers' "professionalism" and saying he felt he'd gotten a fair chance.
But had he? The two words that emerged in the hours after the news broke were red flags: "experience" and "comfortable."
Peter King of Sports Illustrated, citing "a source close to the talks," wrote that Erickson was chosen over Cottrell "because of one trait and one trait only: experience."
That's the classic Catch-22 for black coaches: They don't have any experience because no one will hire them, so no one will hire them because they don't have any experience. So instead the 49ers go for Erickson, whose NFL experience is leading the Seattle Seahawks to three 8-8 records and a 7-9 and missing the playoffs all four years he was there. OK, the Hawks were robbed of a skin-of-their-teeth playoff spot by a famously bad call on a touchdown play, but 9-7 and a quick playoff ouster is hardly Lombardi-esque. The enduring image of Erickson's tenure in Seattle is of his players eating hot dogs on the bench during a game.
The 49ers are so big on experience that the last time they hired a coach who had any was in 1955. The last 11 Niners coaches, including Bill Walsh, George Seifert and Mariucci, were NFL head coaching rookies. But all of a sudden, it's important.
In that case, maybe the 49ers should have considered Dennis Green, who successfully coached the Minnesota Vikings for a decade, has a history with the 49ers, and said on national TV that he wanted the job. Or Art Shell, who less than two decades ago became the modern NFL's first black head coach, with the Los Angeles Raiders, and, despite being reasonably successful, has never been offered another coaching job. As long as we're talking experience, how about some guys who have experienced success?
Erickson also has lots of experience, and success, at the college level, though that's hardly a predictor of pro success. And he may even be overrated as a college coach. He won two national titles at Miami, but he was the caretaker of a system that had been built by Howard Schnellenberger and Jimmy Johnson.
At Oregon State, he inherited a team from Mike Riley that was on the upswing -- 3-8 and 5-6 in the two years before he got there -- and, mostly with Riley's players, completed the process, going 7-5 and 12-1 in his first two years. With mostly his own players over the last two seasons, Erickson's Beavers have gone 5-6 and 8-5. His overall college record is 144-57-1, but the thing about college is that as long as you're not a doormat, you get to schedule some easy wins every year. Oregon State was 6-5 last year when it wasn't playing Eastern Kentucky or Temple. I don't mean to knock Erickson too much. He's a perfectly adequate college coach, but he's hardly a catch for a pro team. The 49ers' desperate, last-minute leap for him is ridiculous and sad.
The other word that came up was "comfortable."
"I honestly went to bed Monday night thinking Ted had the job," said Joe Linta, Cottrell's agent. But it turned out, Linta said, that 49ers general manager Terry Donahue had a problem. "He just didn't know Ted. Not that he didn't like him, but that he just wasn't as comfortable with him."
That's how the glass ceiling works, isn't it? It's only natural for a fellow to hire a fellow he feels comfortable with, and it's only natural to feel comfortable around your own, right?
Linta doesn't seem to be accusing the 49ers of racism or saying that Donahue and 49ers team director John York were uncomfortable with Cottrell because he's black. He's just saying they were uncomfortable because they don't know him. But why don't they know him? He's been in the league for the last 17 years. He's been a defensive coordinator for the last eight. They interviewed him twice. How well do you have to know a guy before you hire him?
Change is achieved by stepping out of your comfort zone. Donahue talks a lot about "character," yet he hired Erickson, whose Miami teams were notorious for their bad behavior on and off the field, and whose teams wherever he's gone have been undisciplined and soft -- have, to put it simply, lacked character. Donahue had said he was looking for a defensive-minded coach, but his late-breaking hire was an offense guy. It looks like Donahue doesn't have any trouble adapting to things with which he's less than comfortable.
But only certain things.
Two thirds black on the field, 9.375 percent calling the shots. The NFL has a long way to go.
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About the writerKing Kaufman is a senior writer for Salon. For more columns by Kaufman, visit his archive.
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― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 13 February 2003 22:29 (twenty-three years ago)
― keith (keithmcl), Friday, 14 February 2003 03:16 (twenty-three years ago)
Some drunk deranged goon from Alsip and his impressionable son do not count as fans in my book.
― hstencil, Friday, 14 February 2003 03:21 (twenty-three years ago)
― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 14 February 2003 03:23 (twenty-three years ago)
― hstencil, Friday, 14 February 2003 03:25 (twenty-three years ago)
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― hstencil, Friday, 14 February 2003 03:30 (twenty-three years ago)
― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 14 February 2003 08:14 (twenty-three years ago)
― phil-two, Friday, 14 February 2003 09:31 (twenty-three years ago)
― Aaron W (Aaron W), Friday, 14 February 2003 13:43 (twenty-three years ago)
― hstencil, Friday, 14 February 2003 15:05 (twenty-three years ago)
(Sorry, I just wanted an excuse to say Billikens.... can you name the only player currently in the NBA who was a Billiken?)
― Aaron W (Aaron W), Friday, 14 February 2003 15:15 (twenty-three years ago)
― hstencil, Friday, 14 February 2003 15:19 (twenty-three years ago)
― Aaron W (Aaron W), Friday, 14 February 2003 15:40 (twenty-three years ago)
Duke/Wake last night was off tha hook.
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 14 February 2003 16:58 (twenty-three years ago)
― phil-two, Saturday, 15 February 2003 01:47 (twenty-three years ago)
― Aaron W (Aaron W), Saturday, 15 February 2003 14:28 (twenty-three years ago)
― Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 15 February 2003 18:09 (twenty-three years ago)
― Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 15 February 2003 18:10 (twenty-three years ago)
Detroit Pistons are, as of this very moment, the #1 team in the East. Brutal schedule coming up the next week and a half, but they really do have as good a shot of winning the East as Indy or NJ (especially the way those two teams are playing of late).
― Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 20:29 (twenty-three years ago)
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 20:34 (twenty-three years ago)
― Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 20:40 (twenty-three years ago)
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 21:17 (twenty-three years ago)
― Aaron W (Aaron W), Thursday, 20 February 2003 22:01 (twenty-three years ago)