Reasons I thank God for sports right now

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because instead of thinking about the goddamn war this morning I can think 'Dennis Erickson?!!!'

James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:27 (twenty-three years ago)

plus I can wonder whether the Nuggets or the Cavs are gonna end up with LeBron instead of wondering whether anyone in New York will be alive next week.

James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Pistons are looking mighty good this season. I like their gritty no-stars attitude and the fact that, as usual, all the so-called experts aren't giving them enough credit. Won't they be surprised come the playoffs! (assuming the world/U.S. will still exist in June for the NBA playoffs)

Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:31 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.cubs.mlb.com/images/2002/11/04/VjWjqakz.jpg

I'm sorry. It's just like kate and the Julian Casablancas thing. I can't help it.

felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:35 (twenty-three years ago)

Can I point out again who OTM my NBA predictions were on ILE before the season? (well, 'cept for Aaron's Pistons, anyway).

That said, the Mavs fall in the second round (no big surprise there) and the Western Conference Finals will be Lakers-Kings yet again. Nets will represent the East again, squeaking by the Pacers after Artesty kills Reggie Miller and Jermaine O'Neal in a fit of rage.

Raptors get Lebron.

Pitchers and catchers report on Friday!!!

Enuf of this "NY is gonna die" talk, Blount!

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:37 (twenty-three years ago)

I made the three worst fantasy baseball trades evah last year:

1) Pat Burrell for CC fucking Sabathia (I needed pitching)

2) Jim Thome for Darryl Kile and Joe Randa (pitching again... Kile dies two days later)

3) Mark Prior for Jarrod Washburn (I was in the middle of the playoff race (top prize in my league is $1000) and wanted one more arm . Thinking of what happened to Kerry Wood (and $1000), I dealt Prior. I missed the playoffs by a miniscule amount. Twas dumb)

On the plus side I dealt Freddy Garcia for Brian Giles right before Garcia imploded!

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, Dennis Erickson. And my Lions got da Mooch. Thanks San Francisco!

Pistons lack of scoring still a worry. They should have gone over 90 against the Bulls.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:41 (twenty-three years ago)

http://sanfrancisco.giants.mlb.com/sf/photo/ph_play_mugshot_111188.jpg

bring it prior

BLB, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:41 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah, Prior's pitchcounts are why I'm a little wary of drafting him (and stay the hell away from any Marlins pitchers). Brian Giles has been on my team the past two seasons - I have won my league the past two seasons (of course Randy Johnson has been on my team the past two seasons also).

James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:42 (twenty-three years ago)

I fear my Los Angeles Kings are too many injuries from making the come-one-come-all NHL playoffs...

jm (jtm), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:44 (twenty-three years ago)

And pitchers and catchers report TOMORROW.

jm (jtm), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:44 (twenty-three years ago)

the Mavs fall in the second round

Unless they face the Lakers in the first.

dleone (dleone), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:46 (twenty-three years ago)

How do you feel about Washburn, Smoltz and Percival, James? Who would you keep on your team (assuming, hypothetically, that your other three keepers are Giles, Berkman and Zito and only four keepers are allowed)?

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:47 (twenty-three years ago)

I seriously doubt the Mavs will play the Lakers in the first round, but if they did, you would be right. I'm imagining the Lakers to be a 5 or 6 seed, most likely playing Portland in the first round, with the Mavs retaining the top seed and playing either Minnesota or Houston.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Pistons will be fine. If Rip hadn't had an off night they would've won easily. The upcoming stretch of games will be a real test though. I expect them to drop some out of exhaustion.

I still think it's 2-3 years before the Lions become respectable, hopefully by which time we'll have a GM who isn't a complete clod.

I made the worst trade in my yahoo fantasy basketball league (gave up Jermaine O'Neal for Richard Hamilton... got hometown goggles and had plenty of centers and needed good FT%) but luckily am still in first place. Hurray for me.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:50 (twenty-three years ago)

I am loving the NBA regular season more than I have since the days of the gutty little Van Exel/Jones/Vlade/Christie Lakers. There's more at stake in the west than there's been lately, and more bad blood, and it's just more fun to watch. The Lakers should snag the five spot, and then it's goodbye San Antonio (or maybe Portland), goodbye Dallas, goodbye Sacramento, and goodbye jokers. I love it.

dan (dan), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:52 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm still not convinced the Lakers will make it out of the first round. Maybe I'll have to eat my words. If the Kings can get healthy they've gotta be the favorite. Mavs are impressive but they can't beat the elite teams and their inside sucks. Give Mo Cheeks a lot of credit with Portland.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:56 (twenty-three years ago)

I can't get excited about the NBA regular season. Football and baseball are over. I am depressed until March Madness.

hstencil, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:58 (twenty-three years ago)

The Lions have nothing to build on though. Harrington could be good. Their WRs (Crowell, Schroeder, Az-Hakim) are all solid #3 or #4 WRs on good teams. Their defense really has nothing going on. Porcher is good, but overpaid. Mooch has a tough task in front of him and they need a lot of help, but of course hometown boyo Charles Rogers will be their pick come June.

I don't think the Lakers will take the title. Yeah, Kobe's going off these days (that dunk last night was ridiculous), but the depth of Sacramento (assuming that they can get more than five guys to suit up at once) will take them in the end.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:58 (twenty-three years ago)

I had Smoltz last year and he paid off big for me, a few bad outings early but gold thereafter, enough so I didn't kill myself for not getting Gagne off the waiver wire (and getting....wait for it.. Rick Ankiel instead; it was spring training); he's not happy in the closer role but the Braves got more pitching this year than they did last year so he ain't going anywhere (Mike Hampton MIGHT be a worthwhile late late pickup - Mazzone's worked miracles before, he's in a free agent year, and as anyone who had Kile knows pitchers who were good pre-Coors bounce back post-Coors). Washburn's pretty good, but I don't know if I'd take him over Smoltz, it depends on how much saves are worth in your league I guess. Percival's great, I can't tell you how many times I've tried to trade for him, but he did get injured last year and the Angels do have Rodriguez just waiting to step in if he does go down so I'd probably rank him behind Smoltz and Washburn.

James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:59 (twenty-three years ago)

I wish I could be in your fantasy ba$eball leagues. I would destroy you all.

Acosta didn't have Prior on enough of a pitch count last year. I was relieved he strained his hamstring running the bases so he could sit out the meaningless end of season.

Someone should draft Hee Seop Choi.

felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:03 (twenty-three years ago)

The Lions have nowhere to go but up. They lost at least two games on coaching alone (Arizona and at Chicago). Probably throw in one more random one for good measure because Mornhinweg is such a doofus.

As far as WRs go, you answered the Q: Charles Rogers makes that group much better (w/ the obvious understanding WR don't do well their rookie season).

They'll win 6 or seven games next year. I wonder if the over/unders are out in Vegas? I bet they have the Lions at like 5.5. Nice bet...

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, I took Smoltz in the 7th round last year of my draft (everyone laughed, suckas!) and was, obviously, more than happy with him. I'm surprised that you list the Braves having more pitching this year -- the starting rotation is a big ole question mark and the bullpen has been decimated. Yeah, Mazzone might work his rocking chair magic with that crew, but it seems less a sure thing than usual (that said, the Braves take the NL East yet again). I don't think Washburn will be as good. He's a solid #2 guy, though. Percival is great but injury prone, and Rodriguez is a threat. Injury possibilities concern me with Smoltz too, which is part of why I'm leaning towards Washburn (that, and it seems like there's a Gagne-type closer coming out of nowhere every year (Hello Eddie Guardado! Hello Todd Jones!)).

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:06 (twenty-three years ago)

In the NFC Central, 6 wins is nothing. That should be done easily. But still, the Bengals will win more games than the Lions next year.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:08 (twenty-three years ago)

But still, the Bengals will win more games than the Lions next year

You want to put your money where your mouth is?

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:09 (twenty-three years ago)

If you really want to I will, but aren't web-based bets kinda silly? If we are anywhere near each other geographically (I'm in NYC), I'm all for it (I'm assuming you're in Detroit).

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:14 (twenty-three years ago)

ok, Yanc3y, then any amount you want that the Phillies, not the Braves, will win the NL East this year, in a surprise move. Bring your $$ to the Matos FAP.

I saw Bret Myers' debut last year. He is a phenom.

felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:17 (twenty-three years ago)

Actually I'm in Chicago. I don't know if they're silly ... but there's obviously no guarantee the losing party will pony up. We can make it small. But I like action, and I love that bet. I mean the great Marvin Lewis? He doesn't impress me.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Myers is a stud.

So yr bet is that the Phillies win the NL East, not the Braves (I would hardly call that a surprise, by the way)? $10?

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Bret Myers, feh. Used my #1 waiver on him and of course he didn't do squat afterwards..

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:23 (twenty-three years ago)

My bet has absolutely zero to do with Marvin Lewis, it's that the Bengals -- here it comes! -- on paper have a great team. A very solid defense (in 2001, anyway, with Spikes being the anchor) and Corey Dillon should be enough for 6 or 7 wins. There's the Bungle curse, of course, and, uh oh, I just now saw that Kitna's the 2002 starter. I might want to rethink this based on that piece of data.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:24 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, I thought you said the Braves take the NL East yet again so I thought it might be a surprise to you.

Sure, I'll take your money $10 bet, Yanc3y. We can give it to Matos for dangerouskeeping.

felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:25 (twenty-three years ago)

And if neither wins the NL East? Like the Mets?

hahahahahahah!

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:26 (twenty-three years ago)

2002 starter = 2003 starter

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:27 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes, your part of the bet is that the Braves win the East. If neither team does, then we just let Matos off the hook for squandering the $20 on cheap cider.

It would be worth $10 to see the Amazinglybads win the East! hahahaha

felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:27 (twenty-three years ago)

Fair enough. We'll take care of this Tuesday, yes?

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Right on.

felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:32 (twenty-three years ago)

(No dis to Matos, but the idea of handing him $20 on Tuesday saying, "We'll need this in October," is a little odd, yes? Maybe do this on the honor system? I was a Boy Scout for, like, two days!)

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:35 (twenty-three years ago)

have any of y'all commisioned an ILX fantasy league before?

i may be interested so long as we can agree on fair, reasonable terms.

i commished a yahoo! league last year (and won handily btw) and am doing one with my friends but ya think you'd be interested?

gygax!, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Mr. Diamond, I still haven't razzed you properly for picking on the loyal fans of Wrigley on the Hot Stove League thread.

It's such a shame the noble Magglio Ordonez has to play in "U.S. Cellular" ballpark. I wouldn't criticize Cubs fans if I were you. Cubs fans may be stupid drunks who pour beer on the opposing outfielders but at least they don't attack the visiting coaches.

< /trash >

I would deffo be into an ILX fantasy baseball league.

felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:38 (twenty-three years ago)

I would join an ILX fantasy baseball league.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:40 (twenty-three years ago)

I would join an NYCILX reality softball league, too.

felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:43 (twenty-three years ago)

There's a rock-crit/indie-rocker league that starts around July.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Good, I can kick their indie asses with all my friends who've been laid off from the majors.

felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Ah see Felicity ... the last resort of the Cub fan, the mythic supremacy of Wrigley Field. The wistful, George Will-esque longing for the glory days of baseball; nevermind the product on the field. It smells like urine and is full of drunk yuppies, but it sure looks purty...

That's ok, though, all that money from U.S. Cellular should help nail down a long-term contract for Bartolo Colon.

I am a bit miffed that they sullied the bp w/ a Cub castoff like Flash Gordon, but hopefully they can salvage something from his arm..

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:59 (twenty-three years ago)

It has nothing to do with the parks. You started it, and I ended it, with the fans.

felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 23:00 (twenty-three years ago)

It's all in good fun. I'm just sharpening up the ol' trash talking skills as, noted above, spring training starts tomorrow!

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 23:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Attaboy! :)

felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 23:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Yahoo has free fanatasy leagues. I think you can start private ones on there. Baseball hasn't opened yet though.

bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 23:22 (twenty-three years ago)

okay, when the time comes i will rally up a thread for a yahoo! league.

gygax!, Wednesday, 12 February 2003 23:23 (twenty-three years ago)

We gotta do a live draft, if possible.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 23:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Yay! I WILL remind you, gygax.

I like when bnw calls the Chicago National League Baseball Club the "small bears."

felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 23:26 (twenty-three years ago)

gygax you stole my idea.

Count me in for any league in which my team is performing well. I AM ULTIMATE BAY AREA FAIRWEATHER FAN.

Leee (Leee), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 23:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Leee, don't make me cry again... the Giants will finish in the top 2 of the NL West again this year (that's all I'm willing to commit to).

gygax!, Thursday, 13 February 2003 00:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Who's the contender in the NL West? The Padres? The Dodgers suck this year, the Diamondbacks are past it, and the Rockies???? The Giants look all right.

felicity (felicity), Thursday, 13 February 2003 00:42 (twenty-three years ago)

felicity,

the giants (like last year) have no pitching. it is amazing to me that they made it so far last year.

(although i had Damian Moss on my fantasy team last year and can vouch for him. he's very solid, anywhere but Atlanta he would have been recognized for the talent that he is... he's an aussie for all you SoHems).

NL WEST
the D-bax, los do-yers and the giants will be in tight race again. it's the just the way it is, and the way it will be.

gygax!, Thursday, 13 February 2003 00:58 (twenty-three years ago)

I like how the Giants fans call then the C(ubic).Z(irconium).-Backs.

felicity (felicity), Thursday, 13 February 2003 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yance, how could you be OTM when the Lakers STILL are out of playoff contention and the T-Wolves are playing better and better as the seaon progresses?

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 13 February 2003 01:02 (twenty-three years ago)

There are good derogatory nicknames for lots of teams. I've always wanted to get a list together:

NL West:
Gnats, Jints, the Hated Ones (at least that's what Vic the Brick calls them in LA)
Snakes, CZbacks
Doggers, Codgers
Pods
Does anyone really cares about the Rockies?

felicity (felicity), Thursday, 13 February 2003 01:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Yay! I'm in for the Yahoo baseball league. I'm super out of touch with the national pasttime but it'll be a good excuse to re-learn.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Thursday, 13 February 2003 01:13 (twenty-three years ago)

put me down too, if i didn't say so already...

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 13 February 2003 01:15 (twenty-three years ago)

count me in also by all means

James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 13 February 2003 01:43 (twenty-three years ago)

If that's how it's going to be, then I shouldn't join -- already reliving the horrors of the World Series. I hate you Troy Glaus Freddy Rodriguez Tim Salmon Garrett Anderson Scott Spiezio Troy Percival!

Leee (Leee), Thursday, 13 February 2003 02:36 (twenty-three years ago)

don't forget that little dude.

it's all good, see the other thread.

gygax!, Thursday, 13 February 2003 02:42 (twenty-three years ago)

oh yeah, David Eckstein. It was the scrubs and scraps that made it. Brian Donnelly Brad Fullmer Ben Weber Bengie Molina Kevin Appier Sorry you didn't like it, Leee. It was good baseball.

felicity (felicity), Thursday, 13 February 2003 03:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Yancey, stop your pity party (which was probably stopped about 60 posts ago). Last year, I did the following (in no particular order) (w/ the releases happening earlier in the season)

1) received Sammy Sosa & Kaz Sasaki in exchange for Alex Rodriguez & Esteban Yan (to "shake up my team", since team chemistry is SO KEY in virtual sports)
2) released Pat Burrell
3) released Kevin Millwood, while biding my time with Ryan Dempster for 80% of the season, hoping & praying he'd get off the schnide (sic?); I dropped him in September
4) after the A-Rod debacle, TURNED DOWN Miguel Tejada in exchange for Jimmy Rollins in some trade where the other folks didn't mean squat
5) left Byung Hyun-Kim unprotected in a pre-season "expansion draft"
6) traded Andruw Jones away because he pissed me off - of course, he played like a superstar for 2+ months post-trade, & even though he slipped back to pissy, I was still mighty grrrrrr
7) no, wait - in that Jimmy Rollins fiasco, I ALSO rec'd Jeff Weaver, who proceeded to smoke enough pot to blow his chances pitching for a 1st-place team that scored 8+ runs a start for his dead ass

No, I ain't bitter. I just have a scary memory about these sorts of things. (I did manage to pick up Josh Phelps, though, & I also managed to see his major league debut, against the BoSox. Hit a hard single. He's a stud point five.)

Holy shit, a live draft would be so cool. I could practice all the techniques I learned from the Sports Guy's ESPN column!

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 13 February 2003 03:03 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, I had Phelps. I think I ended up trading him away when he got hot because I already had Posada. He should go high this year if he's catcher-eligible. Actually, is he catcher eligible?!

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 13 February 2003 03:18 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm not sure - all he played w/ the Blue Jays was DH, and I know that the Jays have another catcher prospect they're high on - can't recall his name, but I do know that he's supposedly a great defensive backstop, & his use of the bat is at least servicable. (I dunno if Phelps is terrible or not, but I heard the Jays used him @ DH so he could focus primarily on hitting major league pitching. I dare say it worked.) Were he catcher-eligible, & I were Kipering a fantasy draft, I'd probably rank him as the #1 catcher (if only because he won't be catching).

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 13 February 2003 03:32 (twenty-three years ago)

the rockies will play more five hour games this season than ever before. preston wilson will hit 50 home runs and jose hernandez will strike out 300 times. jason jennings will win 4 games. clint hurdle is a doofus, they will finish in last place again. they'll have double the win total of the tigers though.

lions as home team in super bowl in 2006? if they draft rogers hopefully harrington will think of throwing the ball downfield more than once a month. maybe brian griese will replace ty detmer as third stringer for the lions.

keith (keithmcl), Thursday, 13 February 2003 04:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Yance, how could you be OTM when the Lakers STILL are out of playoff contention and the T-Wolves are playing better and better as the seaon progresses?

My preseason ILE thread about the NBA season said the Lakers would have an off year. But yeah, in that other thread I misjudged the Twolves big time (they still won't make the playoffs tho).

Here's that first thread (geez, I said Turkoglu would be a star -- whoops!):

Who in this bitch loves hoops (2002-2003)?

Oh, Phelps will NOT be catcher-eligible.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 13 February 2003 16:12 (twenty-three years ago)

ooh, eckstein is the man. i would join an ilx fantasy league, definitely.

maura (maura), Thursday, 13 February 2003 16:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Lookout for Jay Payton as a Rockie this season. Monster numbers after the trade last year... He'll definitely be their top OF.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 13 February 2003 16:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Said league is off and running, Maura...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 February 2003 16:30 (twenty-three years ago)

I still have hopes for Preston Wilson sluggin' like a lithe Rob Deer & outshining everyone. I'd say the same for Gabe Kapler, except I doubt he'll be any more than the studly Willie McGee he's been trying to be for the past 2 years. Maybe his popups will go a LITTLE farther in Colorado.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 13 February 2003 16:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Going back to why James started the thread, the 49ers get slammed by the excellent King Kaufman in Salon today (it's a subscriber deal, but I'll paste the text):

A plate-glass ceiling
The 49ers almost hired a black coach. But they just weren't quite "comfortable" with him.

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By King Kaufman

Feb. 13, 2003 | Well, we've found the glass ceiling for black head coaches in the NFL, haven't we? It's 9.375 percent, three out of 32. That's how many black coaches there are after this offseason's round of hirings. There have never been four.

Roughly two of every three NFL players are black.

The last coaching vacancy was filled Tuesday, and rather than hire one of the three rumored front-runners -- all defensive coordinators, two of them black -- the San Francisco 49ers pulled an emergency switcheroo to a retread white guy, a successful college coach with a four-year record of mediocrity in the NFL, a fellow who says he had no idea he was in the running for the job four days before he got it. San Jose Mercury News columnist Skip Bayless called him "Dennis 'You've Got to Be Kidding' Erickson."

Whew! Almost had a fourth black head coach there.

There were five coaches hired this winter, and one of them, Marvin Lewis, is African-American. But he was hired by the Cincinnati Bengals, who are in the NFL only in the most technical sense. The Bengals, recently saluted by ESPN the Magazine as the worst franchise in North America, are run by Mike Brown, the most clueless idiot in all of sports -- and my rankings include Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling, ESPN talk-show host Max Kellerman and myself. The eminently qualified Lewis is almost certain to fail. If he doesn't, he ought to get a real coaching job and a MacArthur "genius" grant.

Nobody's suggesting that any NFL team should be forced to hire a black coach when it feels it has the right man for the job and he's white. The woeful Detroit Lions found themselves in a position to hire Michigander Steve Mariucci, the successful 49ers coach who was fired because of office politics, and so they did. The Lions reportedly followed the NFL's new policy by inviting several blacks to interview, but, surely realizing such an interview would have been a charade, they all said no. Well, fine. Not ideal, and you can argue that maybe the invitees should have put in an appearance, just to keep the ball rolling, but let's be realistic. Mariucci is a lottery pick of a hire.

But the way the 49ers leaped at Erickson made it look as though his name had suddenly come up in a desperate 11th-hour meeting to solve the "we're about to hire a black guy" problem.

The leading candidates had been defensive coordinators Ted Cottrell of the New York Jets, Greg Blache of the Chicago Bears and the 49ers' own Jim Mora. Cottrell and Blache are black. They both were interviewed twice, a fact that the usually secretive 49ers made no attempt to hide.

Cottrell had emerged as the front-runner. He was the defensive coordinator for the Buffalo Bills in the late '90s, when their defense was among the best in the league. The Bills passed on him in 2001 in favor of Gregg Williams, who took over an 8-8 team and has led them to 3-13 and 8-8 records, with defenses that have been among the worst in the league. The 49ers were the seventh team Cottrell had interviewed with. He has said that four times the process was legitimate. The other three he's called "bullcrap," a token parading of the black guy.

He was gracious after the surprising announcement Tuesday, praising the 49ers' "professionalism" and saying he felt he'd gotten a fair chance.

But had he? The two words that emerged in the hours after the news broke were red flags: "experience" and "comfortable."

Peter King of Sports Illustrated, citing "a source close to the talks," wrote that Erickson was chosen over Cottrell "because of one trait and one trait only: experience."

That's the classic Catch-22 for black coaches: They don't have any experience because no one will hire them, so no one will hire them because they don't have any experience. So instead the 49ers go for Erickson, whose NFL experience is leading the Seattle Seahawks to three 8-8 records and a 7-9 and missing the playoffs all four years he was there. OK, the Hawks were robbed of a skin-of-their-teeth playoff spot by a famously bad call on a touchdown play, but 9-7 and a quick playoff ouster is hardly Lombardi-esque. The enduring image of Erickson's tenure in Seattle is of his players eating hot dogs on the bench during a game.

The 49ers are so big on experience that the last time they hired a coach who had any was in 1955. The last 11 Niners coaches, including Bill Walsh, George Seifert and Mariucci, were NFL head coaching rookies. But all of a sudden, it's important.

In that case, maybe the 49ers should have considered Dennis Green, who successfully coached the Minnesota Vikings for a decade, has a history with the 49ers, and said on national TV that he wanted the job. Or Art Shell, who less than two decades ago became the modern NFL's first black head coach, with the Los Angeles Raiders, and, despite being reasonably successful, has never been offered another coaching job. As long as we're talking experience, how about some guys who have experienced success?

Erickson also has lots of experience, and success, at the college level, though that's hardly a predictor of pro success. And he may even be overrated as a college coach. He won two national titles at Miami, but he was the caretaker of a system that had been built by Howard Schnellenberger and Jimmy Johnson.

At Oregon State, he inherited a team from Mike Riley that was on the upswing -- 3-8 and 5-6 in the two years before he got there -- and, mostly with Riley's players, completed the process, going 7-5 and 12-1 in his first two years. With mostly his own players over the last two seasons, Erickson's Beavers have gone 5-6 and 8-5. His overall college record is 144-57-1, but the thing about college is that as long as you're not a doormat, you get to schedule some easy wins every year. Oregon State was 6-5 last year when it wasn't playing Eastern Kentucky or Temple. I don't mean to knock Erickson too much. He's a perfectly adequate college coach, but he's hardly a catch for a pro team. The 49ers' desperate, last-minute leap for him is ridiculous and sad.

The other word that came up was "comfortable."

"I honestly went to bed Monday night thinking Ted had the job," said Joe Linta, Cottrell's agent. But it turned out, Linta said, that 49ers general manager Terry Donahue had a problem. "He just didn't know Ted. Not that he didn't like him, but that he just wasn't as comfortable with him."

That's how the glass ceiling works, isn't it? It's only natural for a fellow to hire a fellow he feels comfortable with, and it's only natural to feel comfortable around your own, right?

Linta doesn't seem to be accusing the 49ers of racism or saying that Donahue and 49ers team director John York were uncomfortable with Cottrell because he's black. He's just saying they were uncomfortable because they don't know him. But why don't they know him? He's been in the league for the last 17 years. He's been a defensive coordinator for the last eight. They interviewed him twice. How well do you have to know a guy before you hire him?

Change is achieved by stepping out of your comfort zone. Donahue talks a lot about "character," yet he hired Erickson, whose Miami teams were notorious for their bad behavior on and off the field, and whose teams wherever he's gone have been undisciplined and soft -- have, to put it simply, lacked character. Donahue had said he was looking for a defensive-minded coach, but his late-breaking hire was an offense guy. It looks like Donahue doesn't have any trouble adapting to things with which he's less than comfortable.

But only certain things.

Two thirds black on the field, 9.375 percent calling the shots. The NFL has a long way to go.


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Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 13 February 2003 22:29 (twenty-three years ago)

i remember when gabe kapler was the heir apparent for the tigers, everyone fell for his muscles. babe kapler was even tossed around for a bit. sheesh, he's a slappy with 22 inch pipes.

keith (keithmcl), Friday, 14 February 2003 03:16 (twenty-three years ago)

...at least they don't attack the visiting coaches.

Some drunk deranged goon from Alsip and his impressionable son do not count as fans in my book.

hstencil, Friday, 14 February 2003 03:21 (twenty-three years ago)

i always feel like half a man when confronted with threads like this

jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 14 February 2003 03:23 (twenty-three years ago)

not a sports man, jess?

hstencil, Friday, 14 February 2003 03:25 (twenty-three years ago)

i was a big basketball fan up until the sixers choked in 2001 and havent watched since.

jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 14 February 2003 03:30 (twenty-three years ago)

(broken hearts heal slow oh oh oh)

jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 14 February 2003 03:30 (twenty-three years ago)

I am from the South originally, therefore the NBA doesn't exist.

hstencil, Friday, 14 February 2003 03:30 (twenty-three years ago)

heh, I used to be a HUGE Hawks fan (Fratello/Dominique era); once in eighth grade I got the Hawks logo shaved into my head.

James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 14 February 2003 08:14 (twenty-three years ago)

NCAA Tournament bracket competition would be fun...
FINAL FOUR PICKS!!!
Kentucky, Texas, Notre Dame, Illinois... [Arizona and Kansas always blow it...]

phil-two, Friday, 14 February 2003 09:31 (twenty-three years ago)

I went to my first Red Wings game last night and, thanks to my friend's dad, got to sit in the local tv station who carries the game's suite (right behind the goalpost). It was pretty fun actually... Hockey definitely isn't my fav. sport (I usually pay attention when the playoffs roll around), but it was such a different experience to see a game in person.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Friday, 14 February 2003 13:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Louisville in the Final Four, man, that's all I'm saying. Really pleased/surprised with their excellent performance this year. Cards are my team.

hstencil, Friday, 14 February 2003 15:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Even after that loss to.... the St. Louis Billikens?

(Sorry, I just wanted an excuse to say Billikens.... can you name the only player currently in the NBA who was a Billiken?)

Aaron W (Aaron W), Friday, 14 February 2003 15:15 (twenty-three years ago)

Conference USA always has weird small-team spoilers, and St. Louis isn't that bad a team. Weren't they pretty good last year, too? I don't get to follow the Cards as closely as I'd like...

hstencil, Friday, 14 February 2003 15:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Well they're 3-7 in the Conf. USA. I just saw the highlights and looked like one of those fluke wins. And I gotta say that the NCAA has some crazy parity this year... sure makes it hard to follow.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Friday, 14 February 2003 15:40 (twenty-three years ago)

That guy who left after his freshman year? God, what is his name? Larry something?

Duke/Wake last night was off tha hook.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 14 February 2003 16:58 (twenty-three years ago)

Even after that loss to.... the St. Louis Billikens?
(Sorry, I just wanted an excuse to say Billikens.... can you name the only player currently in the NBA who was a Billiken?)

Larry Hughes! He needs to learn how to pass though.

phil-two, Saturday, 15 February 2003 01:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Ding ding ding! Anthony Bonner was the last one but he's out of the NBA now.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Saturday, 15 February 2003 14:28 (twenty-three years ago)

If only you people were talking about sport.

Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 15 February 2003 18:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah yeah, zing.

Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 15 February 2003 18:10 (twenty-three years ago)

http://images.sportsline.com/u/photos/ap/2002/apr/Pistonsmulti417.jpg

Detroit Pistons are, as of this very moment, the #1 team in the East. Brutal schedule coming up the next week and a half, but they really do have as good a shot of winning the East as Indy or NJ (especially the way those two teams are playing of late).

Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 20:29 (twenty-three years ago)

They on fire!! How about this Okur?

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 20:34 (twenty-three years ago)

I know! He's got so much ups (thank goodness with Rebreca maybe out the rest of the season). I'm starting to believe based on how they're dominating other teams that they really can make some waves in the playoffs.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 20:40 (twenty-three years ago)

It's been a long time coming. Joe D. exec of the year!

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 19 February 2003 21:17 (twenty-three years ago)

Wow, Gary Payton and Desmond Mason to the Bucks for Ray Allen. Didn't see THAT one coming.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Thursday, 20 February 2003 22:01 (twenty-three years ago)


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