Which country is next on the agenda after Iraq?

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after the iraq war is over, and al qaeda is still untouched. which country will america go for next? Iran seems the favourite i guess? but what about sudan? or will attention be turned to pakistan, nominally an ally, so i guess action here would take a different format. would libya or algeria get bumped up the list?

north korea seems a possibility, but with the al qaeda issue still unresolved, north korea may be put on the back burner (is this what north korea are banking on though?)

gareth (gareth), Thursday, 13 February 2003 23:06 (twenty-three years ago)

well if N. korea actually does have a nuclear bomb then they might actually not be invaded.

um, I just hope there is no other country.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 13 February 2003 23:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Canada. We've never liked those shifty fuckers.

That Girl (thatgirl), Thursday, 13 February 2003 23:14 (twenty-three years ago)

interesting things in niall ferguson's EMPIRE doc tonight

i. after ww1, the net cost of policing the brit empire greatly outweighed any financial return (he specifically mentioned the cost of policing iraq in the 20s, but i can't remember what other — presumably incoming — sum he said it dwarfed)
ii. something the last brit governor of aden said to denis healey: "when the sun finally goes down on the empire, it will have given just two things to the world — soccer, and the phrase FUCK OFF"

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 13 February 2003 23:20 (twenty-three years ago)

good link there.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 13 February 2003 23:23 (twenty-three years ago)

the us is unlikely to invade n korea. unlike iraq, n korea has a large ("large") arsenal of conventional missiles which could more or less wipe out seoul before they were overrun. pakistan is also out, since musharaff was quick to take the us's side post-9/11 and is less friendly to the mullahs than many other past or potential pakistani leaders. actually further direct invasion in the area is pretty unlikely as things stand; basically what mark said: even if this invasion is militarily successful (quick win, low casualties), it's going to be an economic disaster, at least in the short term, which will mean no second term for warboy.

chad z. (synkro), Thursday, 13 February 2003 23:53 (twenty-three years ago)

there's also no economic reason to invade pakistan. it still doesn't have a functioning economy, doesn't have any coveted exports and doesn't border any hostile nations the us would like to put pressure on. it's already the 4th largest recipient (if i remember correctly) of us aid; rebuilding infrastructure and paying for occupying forces post-invasion would drive that through the roof.

chad z. (synkro), Friday, 14 February 2003 00:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Saudi Arabia?

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 14 February 2003 00:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Finland

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 14 February 2003 00:15 (twenty-three years ago)

Iran looks the most tempting to the current regime, but it won't happen. That have used every bit of the political currency they got from 9/11 to force the Iraq war; they wont have any left to justify an invansion of Iran.

A war against North Korea will inevitably be a pyrrhic victory and thus avoided.

fletrejet, Friday, 14 February 2003 02:36 (twenty-three years ago)

But Finland is the only country to have beat the Russians twice.

policing iraq in the 20s

Probably had something to do with their air control bombing techniques. 80 years later, the U.S. follows the U.K.'s lead (Alexander Cockburn in this week's New York Press - scroll down to "80 Years..." headline).

hstencil, Friday, 14 February 2003 02:41 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't think that North Korea will be next, by simple argument that an invasion would virtually ensure a nuclear holocaust.

I think it's more likely that, should the Bush Cadre have their way, Sudan, Syria, and (probably) Lybia are on the list, using the whole "they're terrorists/they sponsor terrorism" argument AND the fact that they're relatively under-developed and therefore (logically) easier to defeat. Makes me sick.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Friday, 14 February 2003 02:58 (twenty-three years ago)

NK can't be next either 'cause they have superior conventional military forces compared with the US and SK right now, and if the US increased the troop level, it'd be a pretty obvious confrontation.

hstencil, Friday, 14 February 2003 03:05 (twenty-three years ago)

IRAN!

esquire1983 (esquire1983), Friday, 14 February 2003 05:37 (twenty-three years ago)

This thread makes me weep in horror.

Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 14 February 2003 05:44 (twenty-three years ago)

CUBA !

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Friday, 14 February 2003 06:54 (twenty-three years ago)

sorry... cryptic... Castro will die someday, and we will be there to influence, even if we use no military.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Friday, 14 February 2003 06:55 (twenty-three years ago)

But Finland is the only country to have beat the Russians twice.

so did Poland ... in 1920 and, um, 1600 (read it in the liner notes to mussorgsky's boris godunov)

anyway, i nominate Tuvalu ... we need those .tv webpages, dammit!

Tad (llamasfur), Friday, 14 February 2003 07:15 (twenty-three years ago)

Ireland?

We've had an easy time of it of late.

Lara (Lara), Friday, 14 February 2003 09:46 (twenty-three years ago)

The Republic, that is.

Lara (Lara), Friday, 14 February 2003 09:57 (twenty-three years ago)

The yanks wouldn't dare touch us... we'd whip their ass.

wasn't there a lot of talk pre 11-9 about how the Americans were going to invade Colombia, on the basis that they did really well last time they launched an open ended war against guerrillas in a jungle country with loads of drugs in it?

DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 14 February 2003 10:08 (twenty-three years ago)

The yanks wouldn't dare touch us... we'd whip their ass.

Or stop exporting Guinness tack.

Lara (Lara), Friday, 14 February 2003 10:09 (twenty-three years ago)

>wasn't there a lot of talk pre 11-9 about how the Americans were
> going to invade Colombia, on the basis that they did really well
> last time they launched an open ended war against guerrillas in a
> jungle country with loads of drugs in it?

Not an invasion, but military assistance and "advisors". Currently the US military has many civilian contractors in Columbia providing various non-combat support services to the Columbian army.

fletrejet, Friday, 14 February 2003 12:35 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd go with Sudan, or possibly Yemen.

you know, not me personally, that's what I think they'll go after next. But not with invasion forces, just smaller forces designed to knock out specific targets.

chris (chris), Friday, 14 February 2003 12:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Surely the logistics would mean that the idea that there is a next is already in the pipeline; the preparations are being made, at least on a policy level. Is there any noise coming from the Washington Foreign Policy think tanks about who should be next?

Whilst they have N. Korea in their sights, ic an't see it, as it risks being very messy indeed, so there'll be a trade off between ideal wishlist country (who needs to be taken out?)and pragmatic power politics (who can take out easiest?).

Dave B (daveb), Friday, 14 February 2003 12:49 (twenty-three years ago)

If possession of weapons of mass destruction, threat to the West and human rights violations are the criteria, China should be top of the list. Oddly, I don't think they'll be next though.

ArfArf, Friday, 14 February 2003 16:08 (twenty-three years ago)

after ww1, the net cost of policing the brit empire greatly outweighed any financial return (he specifically mentioned the cost of policing iraq in the 20s, but i can't remember what other — presumably incoming — sum he said it dwarfed)

he said it dwarfed 2/3 of the domestic healthcare budget i think - potentially a bit misleading as I'm unsure how much the state contributed to healthcare pre-NHS?

surely one rationale for invading pakistan would be that half of al qaeda, and possibly OBL himself are currently sunning themselves in hammocks in the tribal territories?

pulpo, Friday, 14 February 2003 16:24 (twenty-three years ago)

not that I'm suggesting it would be that great an idea

pulpo, Friday, 14 February 2003 16:24 (twenty-three years ago)

Robert Fisk thinks he could be in Saudi Arabia.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 14 February 2003 16:25 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah pulpo, i think that is what he said - and i agree, i don't understand what he was getting at!! (i sort of remembered it last night also, to be honest, but left it unsure and unstated bcz i couldn't get it to make sense in my head)

the underlying argt was that, to be run even vaguely in a way that allowed brits at home to continue to feel they were being more humane and civilised than they were cruel greedy bastards, meant the empire lost money (and all the while the ppl being ruled kept remarking that as far as THEY were concerned, empire rule wz neither humane nor civilised)

mark s (mark s), Friday, 14 February 2003 16:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Definitely not Saudi Arabia: we need their oil. I feel like we're playing the game 'Civilization.'

Mary (Mary), Sunday, 16 February 2003 05:45 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd go with Sudan, or possibly Yemen.

you know, not me personally, that's what I think they'll go after next. But not with invasion forces, just smaller forces designed to knock out specific targets.

We've already done this at least once- didn't we use some kind of smart bomb or something to hit a jeep in Yemen that we thought had some Al Qaeda people in it this fall?

lyra (lyra), Sunday, 16 February 2003 05:55 (twenty-three years ago)

Definitely not Saudi Arabia: we need their oil.

Let's take it!

(I originally proposed it cause that's where the 9/11 Al-Qaeda bunch semed to come from)

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 16 February 2003 19:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Saudi oil is tempting, but they have a nuclear equivalent in Mecca.

Aimless, Sunday, 16 February 2003 19:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Let's wait for the House of Saud to fall.

N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 16 February 2003 19:55 (twenty-three years ago)

Isn't Iran now on a favored nations list, reports of how they are "progressive" for Muslims, god bless them.

Mary (Mary), Sunday, 16 February 2003 21:07 (twenty-three years ago)

b-but they fund the terrorists. I'm sure Bush will produce plenty of evidence to back this up. give him time.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 16 February 2003 21:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Lara is right: Invasion Plan Dublin. In certain western pubs and farmhouses, old guns from the Civil War can still be found. They have not disarmed in 80 years. The time for talk is over.

the pinefox, Sunday, 16 February 2003 21:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Tiocaidh ar sionnach.

Lara (Lara), Sunday, 16 February 2003 21:24 (twenty-three years ago)

I THINK IRAN IS JUST A COUNTRY STUCK IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL THIS MIDDLE EAST CRAP AND THAT IRAN DOESNT EVEN DESEREVE IT.AFTER ALL...WHO WOULDNT HATE BUSH AFTER THAT HORRIBLE SPEECH.

Smlka, Saturday, 1 March 2003 02:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Iranian/persian do not hate american people! They in fact would love to move here except they hate bush and like Smlka said...who wouldnt hate him? Ive talked to many iranians before and they love america but hate afghanistan and such.

Plsnf, Saturday, 1 March 2003 02:06 (twenty-three years ago)


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