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Err, it was okay I guess. I've always thought DD was a bit of a poor man's Batman, and I was surprised that the film emphasied this more than the comic. All the moody-ness and turning Matt Murdoch into a bit of a playboy, and the fight in the school playground with Elektra was way too cheesey.

Had all the usual "look! It's Stan Lee", "ah John Romita gets some props" (eventhough he gets knocked out by old Mr Murdock), "Kevin Smith!!".

Bulls Eye turned out to be quite a cool bad guy. I'd rather have had DD go up against the Punisher than Elektra.

Saw the trailer to X-men 2! And that looks brilliant!!! Nightcrawler!!!!

― jel -- (jel), Saturday, 15 February 2003 18:04 (twenty-three years ago)

There was a piece in the Guardian today (mainly about Affleck) where the writer claimed that he always wondered, when reading the old comics, where DD kept that leather outfit and the multiple masks, which was plainly a lie as he didn't have same in the comics.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 15 February 2003 18:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Bulls Eye = Ronan, surely? ;-)

― Nicole (Nicole), Saturday, 15 February 2003 18:44 (twenty-three years ago)

I've heard a lot about how the film is NOT THAT GOOD but I am looking forward to seeing it because I have got much enjoyment from reading Daredevil comics over the years. And I've never even got round to reading much of the Frank Miller DD... for me the classic era is the Nocenti-Romita partnership.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Saturday, 15 February 2003 22:41 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm not sure that I'm that big a fan of the comic. I think Miller's peak on the comic was as good an all-round mainline superhero-comic-production as we've had in decades, but I don't think that was particularly because he's a great character, that was just a very talented cartoonist at the height of his powers. The Nocenti-Romita ones are good too, but they wouldn't have been that way without Miller before them. Do read them DV, they are terrific.

Having said that, the super-senses are a unique feature, and I was out with my old pal Paul Gravett (some UK comic fans here will know the name) and he'd just seen it and he said they did the effects for these really well in places.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 15 February 2003 23:03 (twenty-three years ago)

I will read them, Martin, I will. They've been on my list of comic books to buy in the near future for, eh, about fifteen years at this stage.

What I like about the Nocenti-Romita stories was how weak the character seemed, the way he was always getting beaten up and always suffering terrible doubts as to the right and wrong of what he was doing. Eh, that could just be a continuation of the Miller stuff.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Saturday, 15 February 2003 23:12 (twenty-three years ago)

I watched it with very low expectations, after all, BenLo? The cheesy dialogue didn't help, but the action was done exceptionally well, and the rain scenes with Elektra are surprisingly beautiful. All in all very entertaining.

And actually, DD/MM was moody way back during Miller's run (the second time around, albeit). The playground scene, fyi, was lifted from a more recent arc, David Mack's "Parts of A Whole" storyline. I got a kick out of the shoutouts to DD artists/writers, Romita already been mentioned, but Kirby, Miller, Mack, Bendis, Queseda.

Oh and Colin Farrell was a grate Bullseye. "I want a bleedin' costume" haha!

― Leee (Leee), Saturday, 15 February 2003 23:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Did Kirby ever do DD? The only time I can think of was his guest appearance in the FF.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 15 February 2003 23:51 (twenty-three years ago)

IIRC he didn't, but I suppose they were just emptying out the big Marbel names.

― Leee (Leee), Saturday, 15 February 2003 23:53 (twenty-three years ago)

"This is a tragic toll, all innocent victims. This is just horrible, and Dantesque," said Mayor Hector Osorio.

― Mike Hanle y (mike), Sunday, 16 February 2003 07:35 (twenty-three years ago)

BenLo

Spot on.

― GrzEr, Sunday, 16 February 2003 08:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Have we had a Frank Miller C/D thread? I think he's mostly terrible, the worst sort of "revisionist" blood-soaked machismo angst BS. I liked Dark Knight Returns back in the (jr. high) day, and I'll admit it has a certain novelistic accumulation of detail that is impresive, but I find it unreadable these days.

― Amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 16 February 2003 08:04 (twenty-three years ago)

just reread the Sin City TPBs (cos I can't afford new comics basically). They are ludicrously good (ludicrous and good at the same time). Usually like Miller and have a soft spot for Elektra (the sienkiewicz mini series!) Remember half liking the Daredevils. He didn't have the full auteur thing going then.

Martin: what did you do in comics?...your name keeps *ringing bells* but i don't know why.

― gaz (gaz), Sunday, 16 February 2003 09:23 (twenty-three years ago)

I still love Dark Knight Returns. I even like DK2,because it has loads of superheroes punching the crap out of each other.

I hate Elektra: Assassin... bad story, shoddy self indulgent art (and normally I like Sienkiewicz). It does have a great last chapter, though.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Sunday, 16 February 2003 10:38 (twenty-three years ago)

DD, Dark Knight, Sin City and Batman Year One are all terrific, I think. He's done his share of tedious nonsense, but how many bigger or even comparable all-round talents has comics produced since, even, the '60s? There are some better writers (Morrison, Moore...) but how many writer-artists in that league?

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 16 February 2003 11:32 (twenty-three years ago)

I liked how they tried to show the way daredevil actually saw things, like in the rain scenes, but apart from that and trying to decipher the odd noises coming from the back of the room (some sort of speaker defec t in the cinema i'm thinking) it was pretty dull.

― Jeffrey (Danny), Sunday, 16 February 2003 15:35 (twenty-three years ago)

I got volume 1 of the collected Frank Miller DD comics today! (issues 158-67). From flicking through it looks like the film gets some of it's plot from this period.

(Forbidden Planet is closed on Sunday! Thank God for Gosh!)

― jel -- (jel), Sunday, 16 February 2003 17:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Actually, I think the plot was taken from the next grouping of FM DD stuff (#168-181), including one scene taken verbatim from an issue in said grouping.

Somewhere between the B-movie film-noir hyperreal setting of this flick & the two (three?) Joel Schumacher Batman flicks / pop-art calamities is a mood and tempo that totally jives with the semi-serious gritty city vibe of these characters.

For the record, I liked the movie well enough (given my diminished expectations w/ each pseudo-Matrixy preview), but Jon Favreau was by far the best thing in it.

― David R. (popshots75`), Sunday, 16 February 2003 18:22 (twenty-three years ago)

The two Sienkiewicz collaborations (don't forget DD: Love and War) are indispensible; I still adore DKR (though DK2 was very choppy); some of his original DD, esp. #191, the one where he plays Russian roulette with a comatose Bullseye (!!!!); Elektra Lives Again is lushly painted by Lynn Varley; the first Sin City is easily the most interesting, best art too imo: consider, the panel where Marv kicks through a windshield, FM draws every single bit of broken glass -- nuts!; right now, though, perhaps my favorite Miller is Batman: Year One -- his prose is so well restrained (compare to everything he's done recently, e.g. Sin City and DK2, and there's no comparison), the various voices exceptionally distinguished, and these are some of the reasons why I prefer FM's writing to anyone else's (Moore, Morrison et al included).

― Leee (Leee), Sunday, 16 February 2003 20:28 (twenty-three years ago)

Perhaps I need to look at Miller's books again.

― Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 17 February 2003 03:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Why I'm not seeing this movie till video.

First off...it's a movie where Ben Affleck plays a BLIND LAWYER.

Then we add that Ben Affleck plays a blind lawyer who dons a fruit roll-up and swings from roof top to roof top. His arch-nemesis is played by the poor man's Ving Rhames. Somebody from a TV show I've no interest in seeing is his girlfriend.

Pass.

As far as Miller's work goes, I haven't read much aside from a boring Sin City issue and Dark Knight Returns, which I really liked. If a friend had more of his stuff, I'd read it.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 17 February 2003 03:46 (twenty-three years ago)

DD's the only marvel thing i used to read and again it was the nocenti / romita era with elektra and typhoid mary, great stuff.

film looks good from the clips i've seen. that's the girl from alias, yes?

and wasn't daredevil briefly in one of the hulk films?

and several people on slashdot said that they'd seen a League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen trailer before the DD feature. discuss.

andy

― koogs (koogs), Monday, 17 February 2003 13:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Elektra is played by Jennifer Garner, star of Alias. (No relation to James - someone told me she was his daughter.)

One of the late Hulk TV movies (post-series) guest-starred DD, yes.

I know next to nothing of the LoEG film, I'm afraid. I'm not that big a fan of the comic, to be honest. I think Alan has been coasting on knowing pastiches of old styles for ages, too much of the time.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 17 February 2003 13:28 (twenty-three years ago)

The thing that most annoys me about Frank Miller was that at one point his lousy writing was tying up three of the best artists: Dave Gibbons, Geoff Darrow and, er, Frank Millar. I loved DKR, but it's just been freshman rubbish since then, with the exception of 300. I think 300 and DKR might just be better chosen subjects.

Watched the LXG trailer here. Short review: Aiigh! My eyes!

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 17 February 2003 15:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Left the FAP to go see this yesterday. Words cannot describe what a mistake that was.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 20 February 2003 10:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Typhoid Mary was always pretty high up on my list of comic characters I'd do.

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 20 February 2003 12:05 (twenty-three years ago)

five months pass...

This movie suuuuuuuuuuuuuucked. It reminded me of a Pizza Pockets commercial.

― s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 31 July 2003 04:58 (twenty-two years ago)

six years pass...

So...DareDevil reboot then...

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 6 February 2010 01:54 (sixteen years ago)

three years pass...

Actually, rights now fully back with Marvel:

http://www.newsarama.com/film/kevin-feige-daredevil-marvel-studios.html

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 23 April 2013 20:39 (thirteen years ago)

The Rifftrax for the Affleck movie is so good.

― The last of the famous international Greyjoys (Nicole), Tuesday, 23 April 2013 20:40 (thirteen years ago)

one year passes...

Netflix series news:

http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/7/7508905/daredevil-netflix-release-date

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h334vn103YM

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 7 January 2015 22:27 (eleven years ago)

pretty excited for this.

― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 8 January 2015 17:32 (eleven years ago)

cautiously excited... c'mon Marvel, you can beat The Trial of the Incredible Hulk!

― Nhex, Thursday, 8 January 2015 17:34 (eleven years ago)

D'Onofrio as the Kingpin looks unreal. Can't wait.

― Orble Ribbonblobble (Old Lunch), Thursday, 8 January 2015 17:41 (eleven years ago)

The noirish quasi-PI angle of the Miller years seem a good fit for a series

― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 8 January 2015 17:43 (eleven years ago)

three weeks pass...

So...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC7GPdBV9WQ

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 16:14 (eleven years ago)

playing coy with the costume, huh?

― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 16:39 (eleven years ago)

I hope they don't give him one. If he beats Fisk in the last 10 minutes, says 'hmm this quest for justice is neverending' and puts on a different outfit with DD anywhere on it, I'm going to punch something.

― it takes 14 to make a baby (WilliamC), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 16:49 (eleven years ago)

Steven DeKnight is involved so I might actually watch this

― Simon H., Wednesday, 4 February 2015 16:51 (eleven years ago)

Catholic angst is a good start.

― Minaj moron (Re-Make/Re-Model), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 21:38 (eleven years ago)

one month passes...

New new trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAy6NJ_D5vU

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 10 March 2015 16:20 (eleven years ago)

jinx!

― bizarro gazzara, Tuesday, 10 March 2015 16:20 (eleven years ago)

And definitely seems like they're going to avoid costume given the crack at the end of this.

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 10 March 2015 16:23 (eleven years ago)

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