okay, so how many here are engineering majors?

>why not???????

I should have become an archaeologist.

I should have been an architect.

Architechure is not engineering. Structural engineers consider architechs to be art-school wankers.

except when it is, asshole.

Ok, some of what they do could be considered "engineering". But I wouldn't want to drive over a bridge designed by an architech, or be in a building designed by an architect during an earthquake.

I wouldn't want to live in a building designed by a structural engineer.

I'm sure architects could design safer structures than structural engineers could working...buildings.

do you get in through the back door?

RJG, what country are you from?

In the US, a building bigger than a certain size (varies from state to state) requires the structural design of a registered professional engineer (P.E.) Unless an architech has a PE, legally, he couldn't design it (nor should he attempt to).

Seismic design of large multistory buildings requires some serious, serious technical knowledge. I myself would be totally unqualified to do it. If an architect actually had this knowledge (and a PE), he would basicaly be an engineer, since he wouldn't have any time to do architecture stuff.

I am never said architects shouldn't/don't make use of people who have specialist knowledge about structures/construction/whatever.

I think architects know enough of everything involved to do a decent all around job, at a pinch. structural engineers know a lot about structures.

that sounds good enough for you but is it good enough for the rest of us?

I meant: left alone, an architect would be better equipped to design something which stands AND works; left alone, a structural engineer would be better equipped to design something that REALLY, REALLY stands.

but: no-one needs to be left alone! so it's all FINE.

Architect aren't useless, they have their knowledge, engineers and architects are mutually dependent on each other.

yes.

I'd be worried if an architect didn't know these things.

Mental note: an American Architecture degree is worthless.

In the US, most architects don't. Or they learned it in school but never used it after. Which is why buildings over a certain size needs to be designed by a PE.

>Mental note: an American Architecture degree is worthless.

Well, no, they still do a lot of crap I wouldn't know anything about. And some of them aren't clueless, structurally.

Here is the architecture program for georgia tech:

http://www.coa.gatech.edu/arch/undergrad/typical_sched.htm

All I can see as far as structural design is "Arch 3241. Fundamental of Structures." which is a basic statics and mechanics of materials type class.

(but simultaneously, BM in Music Composition, then MA and PhD in Music Theory; now I teach those music subjects at the University level)

Yesterday's thrift shop find:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10600401_10152314355681596_7628026546428182296_n.jpg?oh=e7814036e4c3efabf45f9bd49b243469&oe=5492D215&__gda__=1422420080_54d69a81e42f0372e358351ac7f751c5

And yet I just couldn't find it in me to blow the five bucks on it as a laff