Is the work of Steven Soderbergh the most overrated thing ever?

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The man makes me SICK.

George Clooney, butt naked, eating noodles. This must stop.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 14:48 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Solaris is the Kid A of films. make of that what you will.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 14:54 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

that film suxors

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 14:56 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Oceans Eleven was good, as well as Traffic. Thats about it.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 14:56 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The Limey's pretty good too. Traffic - mehh.

hstencil, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 14:57 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

George Clooney, butt naked, eating noodles.

You wouldn't be complaining if it had been Julia Roberts.

Wintermute (Wintermute), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 14:58 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Julia Roberts and her bird tits. I think she is ugly.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 14:58 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I really liked "Traffic", and you must understand the magnitude of my Michael Douglas hatred to understand how amazing that admission is.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 14:59 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Sex, lies, And videotape - dull, nonsensical, phoney, talky. If only someone had said something way back then...

Julia Roberts...meh. Julia Louis-Drefyus in her birthday suit with a bowl of chicken soup and matzoh balls...now we're talking.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 14:59 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Traffic was super-hokey! And dumb too: like the fuckin' DEA's gonna put an important witness up in a shitty hotel AND not screen his food AND walk him around in public.

hstencil, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:01 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Sorry, Stencil, but the Limey is clearly ridiculous, and was clearly a dry run for Don Cheadle's unforgiveable crimes in Ocean's Eleven. And now they're going to do Ocean's Twelve. God help us, The Core suddenly looks like a work of genius.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:01 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Soderbergh roXor.

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:02 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The Limey totally kicks ass and everyone should see it. It abandons any pretension or whatever that fogs up a lot of the other Soderbergh films. It also is nothing like Oceans Eleven. It's a lot more straightforward/less ridiculous/and actually more fun (sorry that punctuation doesn't make sense). Though I liked Traffic too.

Nick A. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:03 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

but the Limey is clearly ridiculous

How so?

hstencil, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:04 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

erin brockovich was on c5 last night

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

(I think The Limey is his worst film. But just because Terrance STamp's accent is crap - and Get Carter is better).

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Sex, lies, and videotape is a very sexy movie (if you're into James Spader, which I am - I mean, which I would be if I didn't have such a great bf...).

Sarah McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:08 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

is terrence stamp's accent worse than albert finney's?

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:08 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i did like the limey and oceans 11 and out of sight.

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:10 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Out Of Sight is his best. the least talky, the least silly, the most human. (probably elmore leanord takes more credit for this than does soderbergh) Erin Brockovich is nearly as good except it forgot to have a story.
The Limey, sex lies..., Traffic, all ridiculous but entertaining.
Ocean's 11 nonsense.
haven't seen his weird lo-fi films...

pete b. (pete b.), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:13 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Out of Sight is wonderful, the rest I find rather meh. I would kind of like Sex, lies and videotape except for the McDowell factor.

Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:17 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

erin brockovich has too much story!!

(i enjoyed it mainly bcz i discovered that my friend nic totally looks like julia roberts as she in in this movie, and i never noticed in real life: so basically for me it wz all abt how my friend nic worked her butt off in skanky too-tight clothes to win all these foax in a small US town lots of deserved money for being poisoned by THE MAN)

(probbly the best bit is, if i told nic she looks like JR in EB, she wd doubtless punch me in the mouth!!)

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:19 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Apptly everything in Mexico is really washed out and yellow. Who knew?

(the orig Traffik is great)

(and wasn't EB, well, a lie [ie company not found liable but settled and lawyers got all the money anyway or some such thing]?)

g.cannon (gcannon), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:22 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Stamp's is worse than Finney's: he is trying to do a cockernee accent. Really badly.

What Ilike about him is his workman like attitude to film-making.

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:24 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

He is a genius for Schizopolis alone.

Andy K (Andy K), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:26 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

well in the movie they settle instead of going to court, and EB gets a lot of money herself (two million out of 33 million?)

haha in fargo it says "based on a true story" and ppl said "is it?" and they said "no" and ppl said "you can't do that!!" and they said "why not? it's fiction ie not true so that includes the phrase 'based on a true story'"

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:26 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i recorded kafka off TV and when i watched it back it was like two hours of pitch black

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:27 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I've had this raging antipathy towards Soderbergh ever since Sex, Lies and Videotape, and I don't see it abating anytime soon.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:27 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Also it could be based on a true story,. the only thing they changed is the story. Double ha.

Pitch Black was great too. I hadn't noticed the connexion befor but that and Kafka have a lot in common. King Of The Hill is grebt.

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:28 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

(didn't see EB btw, I can barely stand Julia Roberts)

g.cannon (gcannon), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:44 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

ok but what do you think of my friend nic?

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:13 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Is she brittle and boring or does she have a noble nose and perfect choppers?

g.cannon (gcannon), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:29 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I think people like that he sustains new wave-esque tics (="Hi, critics, I'm here!") in commercial contexts. That said I've enjoyed all of his films--the ones I've seen-- to one degree or another.

I suspect Traffic will be unwatchable in a few decades. It's like Stanley Kramer + Alan Pakula.

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:29 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I don't think he's made a bad movie. My two faves: Out of Sight (a stone-cold classic) and EB (which is a smart, fun populist kinda flick -- basically The Firm without the way-too-obvious dramatic tropes)

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:37 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I couldn't see what all the fuss was about Out of Sight. Can't remember a thing about it -- there was a scene in the boot of a car.

Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:38 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Out of Sight is a very slick action movie without much action. Beautifully shot, Clooney's totally loveable, as is J Lo. Their sex scene = one of my favorite scenes in any movie ever.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I've watched it at least seven times and it keeps getting better.

Andy K (Andy K), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Agreed. I've watched it way more than seven times. My old ritual was to watch maybe a half-hour of a movie as I fell asleep each night. The rotation consisted of three movies: Out of Sight, Bottle Rocket and the completely terrible but amazingly watchable Rounders. I love each of them...

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:56 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

He's alright, I like the cinematography in his films especially.

He ain't no Terry Gilliam though.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 17:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

_Erin Brockovich_ is at best, a TV-movie-of-the-week starring Julia Roberts. Utterly overrated.

Didn't have the heart to go see _Solaris_, myself.

Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 17:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I don't hate him...yet, but I do think he's a pompous guy (that whole actors-sign-my-authenticity-contract thing is hysterical). Traffic was a'ight, but the POINTLESS CELEBRITY CAMEOS like Selma Hayek and Benjamin Bratt reaffirm the tre Hollywood quality of it all. Out Of Sight is easily my fave. EVERYBODY involved had something to prove.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 17:17 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Did anyone see Full Frontal? I will never go anywhere near it, so perhaps someone can provide a precis? It looked to be insufferably self-congratulatory.

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 18:09 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Soderbergh is a hack, but an interesting hack that can at least competently direct a movie, assuming that the source material is strong enough. Ultra-classic alone for The Underneath, King Of The Hill(am I the only person in the world that saw this?), and Out Of Sight. Since then he's been coasting...

Chris Barrus (xibalba), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 19:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Chris, can you define "hack"? (serious question)

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 19:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Is King of the Hill the one about the kids who are living by themselves after their parents die or something? I have vague memories of seeing this in the theater with my sister when we were like 15 and 12 or something. I had no clue that was Soderberg.

Nick A. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 19:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

As Pete said upthread, King of the Hill is great. Lauryn Hill is in it, and so is that Adrien Brody guy.

Andy K (Andy K), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 20:19 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

He's a hack in that he's largely given up on developing his own material. Three of his last four movies are remakes of earlier films and his next film is sequel to one of the remakes. His one "experimental" film in there Full Frontal was basically a throwaway film calculated to maintain his film geek cred.

Chris Barrus (xibalba), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 21:15 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

A hack is a director who doesn't write his own scripts?

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 21:19 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

(Oh, Cahiers, what have you wrought?)

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 21:19 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Chris's distinction is between 'developing something that's a new script, say with a chosen/trusted screenwriter' and 'simply remaking a previous film/TV show/etc.'

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 21:21 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

the abs really follow you around the room

the shape of a hot willie lumpkin (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 1 August 2017 14:47 (five months ago) Permalink

I found Sex, Lies....almost unwatchably dated when I first saw it maybe 5-6 years ago

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 1 August 2017 15:04 (five months ago) Permalink

He's made plenty of "good" movies, Alfred, relative to output or not.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 1 August 2017 15:05 (five months ago) Permalink

I LIKE DATED MOVIES

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 1 August 2017 15:06 (five months ago) Permalink

https://global-uploads.webflow.com/5919d6d68b5a6075f26e5f3f/591b124dcd9384478b51737a_cast_dwightYokam.jpg

^^ Dwight Yoakam in Logan Lucky, btw.

Eazy, Tuesday, 1 August 2017 20:29 (five months ago) Permalink

nice. he was underused in the Amazon show he did recently.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 1 August 2017 20:34 (five months ago) Permalink

Again, I don't know what dated means.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 1 August 2017 20:40 (five months ago) Permalink

He's made plenty of "good" movies, Alfred, relative to output or not.

― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), T

well, yeah, I found 10 of them, didn't I?

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 1 August 2017 20:41 (five months ago) Permalink

is there a logan lucky thread or are we doing that here?

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Wednesday, 2 August 2017 21:37 (five months ago) Permalink

Sunday Times profile

β€œI’ve really lost my interest as a director β€” not as a producer or viewer β€” in anything that smells important,” he said. β€œIt just doesn’t appeal to me at all anymore. I left that in the jungle somewhere.”

Eazy, Friday, 11 August 2017 02:08 (five months ago) Permalink

Among the contemporaries whose work excited him, he singled out M. Night Shyamalan, the oft-derided suspense director. He has reinvigorated himself with recent movies like β€œThe Visit” and β€œSplit,” Mr. Soderbergh said, adding, β€œHe went back to his roots and has rebuilt himself, and is right back where he was.”

Eazy, Friday, 11 August 2017 02:13 (five months ago) Permalink

People who think The Informant! is good confuse me.

https://www.theringer.com/movies/2017/8/15/16145880/steven-soderbergh-movies-ranked

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 16 August 2017 12:30 (five months ago) Permalink

Hoping to get to LL tom'w! Tatum with a gut, Driver with a prosthetic arm, Craig with an impenetrable accent!

https://www.criterion.com/current/posts/4757-the-daily-steven-soderbergh-s-logan-lucky

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 18 August 2017 15:23 (four months ago) Permalink

I like Scott Bakula and the sepia tone off The Informant! and dat's dat.

I'm stuck between LL and Wind River.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 August 2017 15:31 (four months ago) Permalink

hello i am watching the Limey at the moment
how do you do?

ian, Friday, 18 August 2017 23:58 (four months ago) Permalink

YOU TELL 'IM I'M COMIN'!

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 19 August 2017 00:23 (four months ago) Permalink

That film is so good

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Saturday, 19 August 2017 01:25 (four months ago) Permalink

log lucky was ok, bit too oceans-y

johnny crunch, Saturday, 19 August 2017 03:44 (four months ago) Permalink

I liked it, not usually into Soderbergh but it was fun

Neanderthal, Saturday, 19 August 2017 05:20 (four months ago) Permalink

the answer to this thread title is still 'no'

akm, Saturday, 19 August 2017 06:30 (four months ago) Permalink

https://www.theringer.com/movies/2017/8/15/16145880/steven-soderbergh-movies-ranked

Shit, he's made a lot more movies than I remembered.

louie mensch (milo z), Saturday, 19 August 2017 06:55 (four months ago) Permalink

From the 15-16 I've seen on that list, I'm impressed by his sheer competence. At best pretty-good, at worst interesting if not actually good.

louie mensch (milo z), Saturday, 19 August 2017 06:58 (four months ago) Permalink

Hoping to get to LL tom'w! Tatum with a gut, Driver with a prosthetic arm, Craig with an impenetrable accent!

https://www.criterion.com/current/posts/4757-the-daily-steven-soderbergh-s-logan-lucky

― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius),

It was OK.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 26 August 2017 19:22 (four months ago) Permalink

Anyone see his 2001 reedit? It's impossible to find.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 27 August 2017 01:22 (four months ago) Permalink

Happy to see The Limey do so well on that list (and on this thread), love that film.

albvivertine, Monday, 28 August 2017 05:28 (four months ago) Permalink

It was OK.

otm

shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Monday, 28 August 2017 13:42 (four months ago) Permalink

thought Logan Lucky was extremely good

nomar, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 21:26 (four months ago) Permalink

Really? To me he spent so much time making sure the plot was humming that the characters came off thin.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 August 2017 21:43 (four months ago) Permalink

maybe? not so much that i noticed tbh. i enjoyed all of the performances a lot, and the milieu just as much.

nomar, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 22:37 (four months ago) Permalink

I love Cliff Martinez's soundtrack music for Solaris.

earlnash, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 22:43 (four months ago) Permalink

Loved the world of Logan Lucky, reminded me a bit of Sean Baker? The sun-baked vistas with those box-shaped gas stations and shops, the slight unreality of the nascar/beauty pageant scene. The sense of a society that doesn't fit together.

Frederik B, Friday, 1 September 2017 12:16 (four months ago) Permalink

It worked better in Erin Brockovich

I didn't hate it or even dislike it that much; I felt nothing when it ended except, "This is long."

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 September 2017 12:41 (four months ago) Permalink

Going to see it this weekend.

Also, there's a v. good Elvis Mitchell interview with Logan Lucky's costume designer, who also did Behind The Candelabra, Wall Street, Fatal Attraction.

Eazy, Friday, 1 September 2017 14:17 (four months ago) Permalink

This was really good and really fun - waaaay better than fuckin baby driver or valerian. I'm with morbz - Channing Tatum is hot af in this - I like him a little more chunky, a little less lean.

just1n3, Saturday, 2 September 2017 09:25 (four months ago) Permalink

*Logan Lucky

just1n3, Saturday, 2 September 2017 09:26 (four months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

I dug Logan Lucky, especially how it played with the aspirational pleasures of heist movies. When each teller, clerk, etc. gets manipulated (especially the one who gets the birthday cake), there's a tug that's different from fooling the Vegas guard or Cannes concierge.

Sharp take by Alfred above.

Eazy, Saturday, 23 September 2017 19:27 (three months ago) Permalink

LL was a nice baked comedown after the rush of Mother! the previous evening. Cool to hear John Fahey on the soundtrack and yes, sooo much better than the wretched Baby Driver - this is how you do a comedy heist crime romance movie.

Gunpowder Julius (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 28 September 2017 09:53 (three months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

New...not a movie, not a TV series...

https://www.wired.com/story/steven-soderbergh-new-app-mosaic/

Eazy, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 20:34 (two months ago) Permalink

"an NCSA production"

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 21:26 (two months ago) Permalink

Steve joins the iPhone brigade!

β€œWe hear that the pic will go wide. This is the thriller that Soderbergh reportedly shot on his iPhone and which stars Claire Foy, Juno Temple, Amy Irving, Aimee Mullins, and SNL alum Jay Pharoah.”

http://deadline.com/2017/11/claire-foy-juno-temple-steven-soderbergh-unsane-march-23-release-1202208079/

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 15 November 2017 21:00 (two months ago) Permalink

Really enjoying Mosaic so far. Not sure if the formal gimmick will pay off but it’s a decent murder mystery.

ryan, Thursday, 16 November 2017 01:08 (two months ago) Permalink

is it US only? i don't see it in the app store.

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 16 November 2017 01:13 (two months ago) Permalink

There will be a "proper" mini-series release of Mosaic on HBO in January I believe.

Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Thursday, 16 November 2017 07:07 (two months ago) Permalink

I dig ILX's take that even though it may be froth Lucky Logan's a whole lot better cup of froth than Baby Driver. I concur.
What fun this movie is, everyone plays a blinder; David Holmes, Dan Craig, Adam Driver.. i wish Katie Holmes had been in it more.

piscesx, Thursday, 16 November 2017 12:02 (two months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

til: riley keough is elvis' granddaughter. would sign up to the riley keough newsletter.

huge fan of driver in this. what a character. he was basically doing a comedy WV accent but it was probably better than anyone else's apart from some of the character actors, and the pageant girl. (daniel craig's accent was.. interesting. felt like he was going for tommy lee jones and almost got there) anyway i disagree with alfred that craig comes off best. driver felt real. does he smile once? if so i didn't see it. he was a character totally out of joint, out of time, out of place, slightly baffled by everything that doesn't involve the bar, which probably applies to a whole lot of veterans. tatum was just okay? it really could have been pretty much any hunky fella doing that role tbh (sorry channing). i loved the ford dealer. he brought on a lot of khaki, braided belt, white-ballcap flashbacks. btw i don't think that bar, if it existed in real life, would have had martini glasses, frankly. certainly not ones that clean.

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 31 December 2017 00:43 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Logan Lucky should have gotten its own thread. Driver and Tatum are fantastic. I could have done without the dumb brothers and the shitty automatic-driving car-dealer stepdad to Tatum's daughter, but it's a heist movie, so some folks have to be around to (almost) fuck everything up, and remind you that "legitimate" businessmen are (at least) as shitty as the thieves, respectively.

As cheap as it was, the pageant bit required significant mental exertion on my part to not turn into a puddle on the spot.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 04:54 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Tracer you make a good point about the types of cocktail glasses available in that sort of establishment, but we are living in the future now

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 04:56 (two weeks ago) Permalink

As cheap as it was, the pageant bit required significant mental exertion on my part to not turn into a puddle on the spot.

since I became a parent I'll get all "no I just have something in my eye" at the cheapest stuff.

omar little, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 05:00 (two weeks ago) Permalink

re: the iPhone-shot thriller mentioned earlier - Unsane is out 03/23

Simon H., Wednesday, 3 January 2018 18:27 (two weeks ago) Permalink


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