Is the work of Steven Soderbergh the most overrated thing ever?

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The man makes me SICK.

George Clooney, butt naked, eating noodles. This must stop.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 14:48 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Solaris is the Kid A of films. make of that what you will.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 14:54 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

that film suxors

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 14:56 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Oceans Eleven was good, as well as Traffic. Thats about it.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 14:56 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The Limey's pretty good too. Traffic - mehh.

hstencil, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 14:57 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

George Clooney, butt naked, eating noodles.

You wouldn't be complaining if it had been Julia Roberts.

Wintermute (Wintermute), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 14:58 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Julia Roberts and her bird tits. I think she is ugly.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 14:58 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I really liked "Traffic", and you must understand the magnitude of my Michael Douglas hatred to understand how amazing that admission is.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 14:59 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Sex, lies, And videotape - dull, nonsensical, phoney, talky. If only someone had said something way back then...

Julia Roberts...meh. Julia Louis-Drefyus in her birthday suit with a bowl of chicken soup and matzoh balls...now we're talking.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 14:59 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Traffic was super-hokey! And dumb too: like the fuckin' DEA's gonna put an important witness up in a shitty hotel AND not screen his food AND walk him around in public.

hstencil, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:01 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Sorry, Stencil, but the Limey is clearly ridiculous, and was clearly a dry run for Don Cheadle's unforgiveable crimes in Ocean's Eleven. And now they're going to do Ocean's Twelve. God help us, The Core suddenly looks like a work of genius.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:01 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Soderbergh roXor.

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:02 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The Limey totally kicks ass and everyone should see it. It abandons any pretension or whatever that fogs up a lot of the other Soderbergh films. It also is nothing like Oceans Eleven. It's a lot more straightforward/less ridiculous/and actually more fun (sorry that punctuation doesn't make sense). Though I liked Traffic too.

Nick A. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:03 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

but the Limey is clearly ridiculous

How so?

hstencil, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:04 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

erin brockovich was on c5 last night

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:05 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

(I think The Limey is his worst film. But just because Terrance STamp's accent is crap - and Get Carter is better).

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:05 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Sex, lies, and videotape is a very sexy movie (if you're into James Spader, which I am - I mean, which I would be if I didn't have such a great bf...).

Sarah McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:08 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

is terrence stamp's accent worse than albert finney's?

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:08 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

i did like the limey and oceans 11 and out of sight.

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:10 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Out Of Sight is his best. the least talky, the least silly, the most human. (probably elmore leanord takes more credit for this than does soderbergh) Erin Brockovich is nearly as good except it forgot to have a story.
The Limey, sex lies..., Traffic, all ridiculous but entertaining.
Ocean's 11 nonsense.
haven't seen his weird lo-fi films...

pete b. (pete b.), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:13 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Out of Sight is wonderful, the rest I find rather meh. I would kind of like Sex, lies and videotape except for the McDowell factor.

Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:17 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

erin brockovich has too much story!!

(i enjoyed it mainly bcz i discovered that my friend nic totally looks like julia roberts as she in in this movie, and i never noticed in real life: so basically for me it wz all abt how my friend nic worked her butt off in skanky too-tight clothes to win all these foax in a small US town lots of deserved money for being poisoned by THE MAN)

(probbly the best bit is, if i told nic she looks like JR in EB, she wd doubtless punch me in the mouth!!)

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:19 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Apptly everything in Mexico is really washed out and yellow. Who knew?

(the orig Traffik is great)

(and wasn't EB, well, a lie [ie company not found liable but settled and lawyers got all the money anyway or some such thing]?)

g.cannon (gcannon), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:22 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Stamp's is worse than Finney's: he is trying to do a cockernee accent. Really badly.

What Ilike about him is his workman like attitude to film-making.

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:24 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

He is a genius for Schizopolis alone.

Andy K (Andy K), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:26 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

well in the movie they settle instead of going to court, and EB gets a lot of money herself (two million out of 33 million?)

haha in fargo it says "based on a true story" and ppl said "is it?" and they said "no" and ppl said "you can't do that!!" and they said "why not? it's fiction ie not true so that includes the phrase 'based on a true story'"

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:26 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

i recorded kafka off TV and when i watched it back it was like two hours of pitch black

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:27 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I've had this raging antipathy towards Soderbergh ever since Sex, Lies and Videotape, and I don't see it abating anytime soon.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:27 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Also it could be based on a true story,. the only thing they changed is the story. Double ha.

Pitch Black was great too. I hadn't noticed the connexion befor but that and Kafka have a lot in common. King Of The Hill is grebt.

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:28 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

(didn't see EB btw, I can barely stand Julia Roberts)

g.cannon (gcannon), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:44 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

ok but what do you think of my friend nic?

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:13 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Is she brittle and boring or does she have a noble nose and perfect choppers?

g.cannon (gcannon), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:29 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I think people like that he sustains new wave-esque tics (="Hi, critics, I'm here!") in commercial contexts. That said I've enjoyed all of his films--the ones I've seen-- to one degree or another.

I suspect Traffic will be unwatchable in a few decades. It's like Stanley Kramer + Alan Pakula.

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:29 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I don't think he's made a bad movie. My two faves: Out of Sight (a stone-cold classic) and EB (which is a smart, fun populist kinda flick -- basically The Firm without the way-too-obvious dramatic tropes)

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:37 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I couldn't see what all the fuss was about Out of Sight. Can't remember a thing about it -- there was a scene in the boot of a car.

Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:38 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Out of Sight is a very slick action movie without much action. Beautifully shot, Clooney's totally loveable, as is J Lo. Their sex scene = one of my favorite scenes in any movie ever.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:41 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I've watched it at least seven times and it keeps getting better.

Andy K (Andy K), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:49 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Agreed. I've watched it way more than seven times. My old ritual was to watch maybe a half-hour of a movie as I fell asleep each night. The rotation consisted of three movies: Out of Sight, Bottle Rocket and the completely terrible but amazingly watchable Rounders. I love each of them...

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:56 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

He's alright, I like the cinematography in his films especially.

He ain't no Terry Gilliam though.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 17:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

_Erin Brockovich_ is at best, a TV-movie-of-the-week starring Julia Roberts. Utterly overrated.

Didn't have the heart to go see _Solaris_, myself.

Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 17:14 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I don't hate him...yet, but I do think he's a pompous guy (that whole actors-sign-my-authenticity-contract thing is hysterical). Traffic was a'ight, but the POINTLESS CELEBRITY CAMEOS like Selma Hayek and Benjamin Bratt reaffirm the tre Hollywood quality of it all. Out Of Sight is easily my fave. EVERYBODY involved had something to prove.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 17:17 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Did anyone see Full Frontal? I will never go anywhere near it, so perhaps someone can provide a precis? It looked to be insufferably self-congratulatory.

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 18:09 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Soderbergh is a hack, but an interesting hack that can at least competently direct a movie, assuming that the source material is strong enough. Ultra-classic alone for The Underneath, King Of The Hill(am I the only person in the world that saw this?), and Out Of Sight. Since then he's been coasting...

Chris Barrus (xibalba), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 19:49 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Chris, can you define "hack"? (serious question)

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 19:50 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Is King of the Hill the one about the kids who are living by themselves after their parents die or something? I have vague memories of seeing this in the theater with my sister when we were like 15 and 12 or something. I had no clue that was Soderberg.

Nick A. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 19:50 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

As Pete said upthread, King of the Hill is great. Lauryn Hill is in it, and so is that Adrien Brody guy.

Andy K (Andy K), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 20:19 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

He's a hack in that he's largely given up on developing his own material. Three of his last four movies are remakes of earlier films and his next film is sequel to one of the remakes. His one "experimental" film in there Full Frontal was basically a throwaway film calculated to maintain his film geek cred.

Chris Barrus (xibalba), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 21:15 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

A hack is a director who doesn't write his own scripts?

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 21:19 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

(Oh, Cahiers, what have you wrought?)

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 21:19 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Chris's distinction is between 'developing something that's a new script, say with a chosen/trusted screenwriter' and 'simply remaking a previous film/TV show/etc.'

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 21:21 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Really enjoying Mosaic so far. Not sure if the formal gimmick will pay off but it’s a decent murder mystery.

ryan, Thursday, 16 November 2017 01:08 (one year ago) Permalink

is it US only? i don't see it in the app store.

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 16 November 2017 01:13 (one year ago) Permalink

There will be a "proper" mini-series release of Mosaic on HBO in January I believe.

Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Thursday, 16 November 2017 07:07 (one year ago) Permalink

I dig ILX's take that even though it may be froth Lucky Logan's a whole lot better cup of froth than Baby Driver. I concur.
What fun this movie is, everyone plays a blinder; David Holmes, Dan Craig, Adam Driver.. i wish Katie Holmes had been in it more.

piscesx, Thursday, 16 November 2017 12:02 (one year ago) Permalink

one month passes...

til: riley keough is elvis' granddaughter. would sign up to the riley keough newsletter.

huge fan of driver in this. what a character. he was basically doing a comedy WV accent but it was probably better than anyone else's apart from some of the character actors, and the pageant girl. (daniel craig's accent was.. interesting. felt like he was going for tommy lee jones and almost got there) anyway i disagree with alfred that craig comes off best. driver felt real. does he smile once? if so i didn't see it. he was a character totally out of joint, out of time, out of place, slightly baffled by everything that doesn't involve the bar, which probably applies to a whole lot of veterans. tatum was just okay? it really could have been pretty much any hunky fella doing that role tbh (sorry channing). i loved the ford dealer. he brought on a lot of khaki, braided belt, white-ballcap flashbacks. btw i don't think that bar, if it existed in real life, would have had martini glasses, frankly. certainly not ones that clean.

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 31 December 2017 00:43 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Logan Lucky should have gotten its own thread. Driver and Tatum are fantastic. I could have done without the dumb brothers and the shitty automatic-driving car-dealer stepdad to Tatum's daughter, but it's a heist movie, so some folks have to be around to (almost) fuck everything up, and remind you that "legitimate" businessmen are (at least) as shitty as the thieves, respectively.

As cheap as it was, the pageant bit required significant mental exertion on my part to not turn into a puddle on the spot.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 04:54 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Tracer you make a good point about the types of cocktail glasses available in that sort of establishment, but we are living in the future now

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 04:56 (eleven months ago) Permalink

As cheap as it was, the pageant bit required significant mental exertion on my part to not turn into a puddle on the spot.

since I became a parent I'll get all "no I just have something in my eye" at the cheapest stuff.

omar little, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 05:00 (eleven months ago) Permalink

re: the iPhone-shot thriller mentioned earlier - Unsane is out 03/23

Simon H., Wednesday, 3 January 2018 18:27 (eleven months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

http://www.indiewire.com/2018/01/steven-soderbergh-interview-sundance-iphone-unsane-1201921769/

Asked if he would commit exclusively to shooting on iPhones going forward, he replied, “I’d have to have a pretty good reason not to be thinking about that first… There’s a philosophical obstacle a lot of people have about the size of the capture device. I don’t have that problem. I look at this as potentially one of the most liberating experiences that I’ve ever had as a filmmaker, and that I continue having. The gets that I felt moment to moment were so significant that this is, to me, a new chapter.”

... (Eazy), Friday, 26 January 2018 17:38 (ten months ago) Permalink

WHts the point he only does cgi now anyway - coward!!!

Dean of the University (Latham Green), Friday, 26 January 2018 18:29 (ten months ago) Permalink

Has anyone seen his 2001 cut? It's been pretty well scrubbed from the internet.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 26 January 2018 19:14 (ten months ago) Permalink

Oh wait I thought this was aboout Speilberg

Dean of the University (Latham Green), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 18:22 (ten months ago) Permalink

man, what a waste of effort for everyone involved Logan Lucky was. It's got all the trappings of a fun twist on the heist movie but there's just...nothing there

Number None, Sunday, 4 February 2018 20:41 (ten months ago) Permalink

yeah the enthusiasm mystified me

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 4 February 2018 20:46 (ten months ago) Permalink

This movie was like the opposite of an idiot plot - instead Channing Tatum pulls off the heist because he's a superhero who can do anything, including predict the future.

Part of the fun of a heist movie is learning the minutiae of the heist plan, then seeing how the characters react when the heist (inevitably) falls apart. In this movie, everything just *works* first time and there's no tension, except the odd incidental fun detail, like Seth Macfarlane getting punched in the face.

Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 4 February 2018 21:52 (ten months ago) Permalink

1/2 way thru the televised mosaic, p good.. i like devin ratray a lot; generally feels like a less gritty "the night of"; some dialogue is a lil overwritten but nontheless enjoyable imo

johnny crunch, Sunday, 4 February 2018 22:03 (ten months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Unsane might be the culmination of a decade of his films. Actually kinda great.

Frederik B, Thursday, 22 February 2018 00:37 (nine months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

UNSANE: so good it’s crazy. Soderbergh conjures dizzying terror, evokes visceral emotion, and pretty much rewrites the deep-focus rulebook, using little more than the contents of my front-right pocket.

— Charles Bramesco (@intothecrevasse) March 15, 2018

Simon H., Thursday, 15 March 2018 13:41 (eight months ago) Permalink

preview next week!

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 March 2018 13:48 (eight months ago) Permalink

Twitter dude pretty much otm.

Frederik B, Thursday, 15 March 2018 15:09 (eight months ago) Permalink

opens in NY tomw

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 15 March 2018 15:13 (eight months ago) Permalink

Boring after it turns into a slasher flick

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 March 2018 02:14 (eight months ago) Permalink

Frederik and Bramesco not otm

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 March 2018 02:14 (eight months ago) Permalink

will I fare better if I love slashers

Simon H., Tuesday, 20 March 2018 02:45 (eight months ago) Permalink

Even tedious and tonally muddled ones?

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 March 2018 02:51 (eight months ago) Permalink

feel like Soderbergh tried to semi-retreat to do things in a workmanlike way but people keep trying to figure out what angle he's playing

in the center of the just-off middlebrow target he's been hitting you get the impression he's trying to find a good project, or at least enjoys honing his craft

mh, Tuesday, 20 March 2018 03:10 (eight months ago) Permalink

one of the writers of unsane is my FB friend and i kinda thought he was an ilxor. but maybe he isn't. i don't know how i know him.

scott seward, Tuesday, 20 March 2018 12:50 (eight months ago) Permalink

one of (JG) is a music critic who wrote for sp1n, it seems.

Heavy Messages (jed_), Tuesday, 20 March 2018 13:41 (eight months ago) Permalink

one of them

Heavy Messages (jed_), Tuesday, 20 March 2018 13:41 (eight months ago) Permalink

I wondered if it was the same Bernstein!

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 March 2018 13:47 (eight months ago) Permalink

It's not 'workmanlike', it's vibrantly experimental, and people enjoy it because of the newness, energy and joy in the aesthetics. And yeah, it's weird that it's coming from an old pro who've just fallen in love with new toys, but that's what it is.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 20 March 2018 13:48 (eight months ago) Permalink

ah yeah, I didn't mean this new project -- just the impression he's retreated in some way, or has pretended to retire/retreat a few times because he'd rather have less scrutiny on his works as _his works_

mh, Tuesday, 20 March 2018 16:56 (eight months ago) Permalink

I don't think it's weird for him to use new toys, because that's pretty much what he does in a non-flashy way with every other production

mh, Tuesday, 20 March 2018 16:57 (eight months ago) Permalink

the new toy is his old iPhone, and that part's fine – other than stressing the you-are-there shocks of the nuthouse sequences, it doesn't add appreciably to the verisimilitude of the narrative or whatever

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 March 2018 17:03 (eight months ago) Permalink

Mosaic was* a totally new toy in terms of storytelling


*"is," it's still only a month or two old. But I'm only 1/3 of the way through it bcz it's fucking horrible to watch a story on a phone

just noticed tears shaped like florida. (sic), Tuesday, 20 March 2018 17:55 (eight months ago) Permalink

Unsane spoilers to follow:

It's one of the most fascinatingly awful movies I've ever seen. At the beginning it seems like it has some chance at being a decent psychological thriller that paints the for-profit medical industry and the complacency of police and the legal system as the villains. Then it turns out that the actual villain is a psycho murderer, who tortures one victim by sandwiching his head between defibrillator pads, and kills another with a Steven Seagal-style neck break maneuver. The way it gradually escalates the schlock level from moderate to unbearable is really something to see.

JRN, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 20:17 (eight months ago) Permalink

I like Soderbergh's schlock side. Side Effects and Haywire are two of his best movies IMO. Might need to check this one out.

grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 27 March 2018 20:27 (eight months ago) Permalink

from jrn's summary this movie sounds fucking awesome

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 27 March 2018 20:35 (eight months ago) Permalink

seconded

mh, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 20:38 (eight months ago) Permalink

it's uninterestingly mediocre

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 27 March 2018 20:43 (eight months ago) Permalink

It's fucking awesome. And the for-profit medical industry is clearly the (co-)villains.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 20:49 (eight months ago) Permalink

Boring after it turns into a slasher flick

― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, March 19, 2018 7:14 PM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah we prob won't agree on this one alfred

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 27 March 2018 20:50 (eight months ago) Permalink

Slasher flicks = fine

"Soderberg makes okay Cuckoo's Nest knockoff with garrulous slasher denouement" = dud

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 27 March 2018 21:11 (eight months ago) Permalink

You write that as if it makes sense...

Frederik B, Tuesday, 27 March 2018 21:25 (eight months ago) Permalink

Who wouldn't?

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 March 2018 00:30 (eight months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Impressive, at least for a while--up to the first long rubber-room scene--although I was very conscious of all the films it was stealing from: Cuckoo's Next (serendipitous I would see it today), Repulsion, Rosemary's Baby (probably The Tenant, too, which I haven't seen in ages), Get Out, Shock Corridor. I know Soderbergh's proximity to commercial success and getting-films-made has had some wild swings over the years--this is all some metaphor for the film industry, right?

clemenza, Sunday, 15 April 2018 03:23 (seven months ago) Permalink

the climax/coda seemed really haphazard, as if a narrative theme was dropped back in after the fact because someone remembered that angle wasn’t addressed, or there wasn’t a good ending they’d filmed

alvin noto (mh), Sunday, 15 April 2018 03:33 (seven months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

the extreme horizontality of ocean's twelve is a delight to me

j., Saturday, 23 June 2018 09:15 (five months ago) Permalink

not a single scene above ground level iirc

topless from 11am (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 23 June 2018 12:54 (five months ago) Permalink


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