Cheerleading: Classic or Dud?

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Including but not limited to the important question for boys and girls alike: do you find anything about it cute or sexy?

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 18:18 (twenty-three years ago)

The first girlfriend I ever had was a cheerleader, she was cute...really cute. I used to own a great t-shirt that said "Cheerleaders Fuck" on it, but it has disappeared. As far as being classic or duds go, they are enormous duds. Cute, but duds.

Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 18:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Me: Mary, so...cheerleading, classic or dud?
Mary: Dud.
Me: Would you like to say anything more about that?
Mary: No. Need anyone?

And she once was a cheerleader, too.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 18:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Of course I do. What could be more cute or attractive?

That's why I disapprove of it so much.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 26 March 2003 18:31 (twenty-three years ago)

I saw faking it USA, and this girl became a cheerleader. I like the idea of apathetic cheerleading, I dunno how it would work...surly looking girls, going "yeah, like woah, whatever, God this sucks", and then throwing down their poms poms and wandering off.

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 18:36 (twenty-three years ago)

ironic cheerleaders => Nirvana's secret to fame!

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 18:38 (twenty-three years ago)

Good for the existence of Bring It On; beyond that, questionable.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 18:38 (twenty-three years ago)

I like the idea of apathetic cheerleading, I dunno how it would work...surly looking girls, going "yeah, like woah, whatever, God this sucks", and then throwing down their poms poms and wandering off.

And then they all lez up!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 18:39 (twenty-three years ago)

How would that be different from regular cheerleaders?

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 18:39 (twenty-three years ago)

How many regular cheerleaders do you get to see lezzing it up? And even more importantly, do you have it on tape?

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 18:40 (twenty-three years ago)

It was cool when she left the uniform on when we gots busy.

Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 18:40 (twenty-three years ago)

dude, the one's I saw on this show were totally professional careerists. That's like my whole knowledge of cheeleading.

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 18:41 (twenty-three years ago)

How many regular cheerleaders do you get to see lezzing it up? And even more importantly, do you have it on tape?

I'll never tell...

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 18:41 (twenty-three years ago)

I saw faking it USA, and this girl became a cheerleader

Saw that, she was about a foot taller then the rest of them otherwise she didn't look that out of place. Only caught about 5 minute of it when she was all nervious about going on the field.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 18:44 (twenty-three years ago)

I used to think cheerleading was laughable, until I saw "Bring It On!". Then I realised that cheerleading is athletically far more impressive than American Football.

DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 18:46 (twenty-three years ago)

K-classic.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 19:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Cheerleaders love 2 Unlimited

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 19:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Okay embarassing bit of my past--I used to do synchronized figure skating extremely competitively. It's like cheerleading except on ice--including the cattiness, tons of hairspray, plastered on smiles, and pounds of makeup.

cybele (cybele), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 19:23 (twenty-three years ago)

I demand pictures, cybele!

oops (Oops), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 19:24 (twenty-three years ago)

see the "address" down in Tampa today? Shout-outs to all his homies!

Somebody should have been yelling, "Shake ya ass!" and everyone ont the stage could have broken into a dance routine.

Classic if only for absurdism.

badgerminor (badgerminor), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 19:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Classic from a distance. If I'd had to go to school with any I'd hve probaly hated them.

Anna (Anna), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 19:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Classic in theory (the uniform, cute girls jumping around and cheering you)
Dud in practice (snobby bitches, annoying voices/yells)

oops (Oops), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 19:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Note: this thread is about cheerleading-as-concept, not cheerleaders themselves. If you think all cheerleaders are vapid and frightening but would mega-aroused by seeing a girlfriend dressed up as one -- cf not wanting to touch schoolgirls but not minding your wife in a little plaid skirt -- that counts.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 19:35 (twenty-three years ago)

I didn't make the team. :(

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 19:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Actually, I mean :)

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 19:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Which then goes back to :( because I was a surly punk rocker hoping to foment dissent in the cheer ranks.

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 19:37 (twenty-three years ago)

lightning bolt's "13 monsters"
faith no more "be aggressive"

good rhythms...

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 19:39 (twenty-three years ago)

The cheerleaders in The New Guy are the h0ttest ones ever.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 19:41 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.cheercca.com/who.html

anthony easton (anthony), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 19:46 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.elizadushku.org/images/movies/TheNewGuy/TheNewGuy007.jpg

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 20:03 (twenty-three years ago)

okay...not me, but it might as well've been...
http://www.synchroskating.com/46.jpg

http://www.synchroskating.com/50.jpg


cybele (cybele), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 20:05 (twenty-three years ago)

argh. last try...

http://www.synchroskating.com/pictures-2000/pictures4.shtml/46.jpg

http://www.synchroskating.com/pictures-2000/pictures3.shtml/50.jpg

cybele (cybele), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 20:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Aw, I wanna see cybele's pics!

So wow, like, 30+ posts and no mention yet of the male cheerleader issue. Who'll be the first to touch that?

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 20:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Dud:

George Bush was a cheerleader at Andover and Yale.

Trent Lott, bottom row, second from right, was a University of Mississippi cheerleader.

hstencil, Wednesday, 26 March 2003 20:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Ha ha, old cheerleading habits never die, I can imagine folks on Capital Hill all like "firecracker! firecracker! siss! boom! bah! imperialism! depopulation! rah rah rah!"

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 20:20 (twenty-three years ago)

also radical cheerleaders, c or d:

http://www.infoshop.org/octo/cheerleaders.jpg

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 20:37 (twenty-three years ago)

"Free (pause) Mumia (pause) Free-EEE Mumia (pause) F-R-E-E M-U-M-I-A! Woo-hoo!"

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 20:39 (twenty-three years ago)

More like:

Mumia was framed
The judge should be shamed
A new trial is needed
Our pleas are not heeded
The people will rise
Til the decision's revised
And we shall unite
To fight for his rights
It's all about class
Justice my ass!

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 20:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Dud in practice (snobby bitches

that's an ugly blanket statement (and no, I wasn't a cheerleader).

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 21:22 (twenty-three years ago)

this whole thread is an ugly blanket statement.
The first (and only, so far) love of my life was a cheerleader (she quit right before I met her), so I don't think every single cheerleader on the face of the Earth is a snobby bitch, but in general, yes, yes they are.

oops (Oops), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 21:26 (twenty-three years ago)

But we're talking about cheerleaders conceptually and theoretically -- an attempt to tease out the cultural and aesthetic connotations.

That said, they're fucking hot.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 21:35 (twenty-three years ago)

I think "cultural and aesthetic connotations" is the nerdiest euphemism for breasts I've ever read.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 21:38 (twenty-three years ago)

Ha!

Yeah, I realized after I posted that that "tease out" was a telling choice of words.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 21:43 (twenty-three years ago)

The Art Cheerleaders are a major dud.

Answer to Nabisco's question: no.

Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 21:49 (twenty-three years ago)

one more time...why oh why won't these damned photos work!
http://www.jazzice.com/ 2002Champs.jpg
http://www.usfsa.org/programs/sys/comp02/ pics/michst-coll-sm.jpg

Unfortunately, these aren't as cheesy as the other ones, but you get the picture...


cybele (cybele), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 22:22 (twenty-three years ago)

screw it.

just check here:

http://www.synchroskating.com/pictures-2000/pictures4.shtml

cybele (cybele), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 22:24 (twenty-three years ago)

But which one is you, Cybele?

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 22:28 (twenty-three years ago)

I wouldn't be that silly. Those have all been carefully and thoroughly destroyed....

cybele (cybele), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 22:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Is that kate on the left in Sterling's picture?

grraham, Wednesday, 26 March 2003 22:34 (twenty-three years ago)

"When we went to the regional cheerleading competition we came in second and we should've come in first, but everyone said we had the prettiest team there."

-what i heard the cheerleaders saying at school

generally, i couldn't care less, some of them are nice, but running around in those short skirts, without stockings, in MIDWINTER has GOT to be dud.

Maria (Maria), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 22:38 (twenty-three years ago)

But their lack of stockings is the only thing keeping me warm

oops (Oops), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 22:40 (twenty-three years ago)

I would just like to state for the record that the Mary in Michael Daddino's above referenced conversation is not me. The uniforms rock though.

Mary (Mary), Thursday, 27 March 2003 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm somewhere in the stands of that new guy pic up there. It was very, very cold that day.

That Girl (thatgirl), Thursday, 27 March 2003 00:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Classic

Millar (Millar), Thursday, 27 March 2003 00:28 (twenty-three years ago)

some of those girlz in bring it on were cute. but generally, i don't find cheerleaders attractive, good thing we don't really have any cheerleading phenomenon in new zealand.

di smith (lucylurex), Thursday, 27 March 2003 00:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Did this for a while when I was 10 and 11. Got bored and pulled strands out of my pom-poms until they were bald.

Our school's cheerleaders were quite horsey compared to the dance line, the Parkettes, who were all over-made-up schluts overly impressed by their proximity to achieving men (they really did see this as the real reason they did the activity). Parkettes were/are official Minnesota Vikings cheerleaders and boy, weren't you supposed to remember that at all times. Luckily their looks went to shit/pasture/moo! by the time our 5th reunion came around (and as I had v. glamorous British boyfriend at time, of course I rubbed it in).

suzy (suzy), Thursday, 27 March 2003 02:03 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.satanscheerleaders.com/images/ass.jpg

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 27 March 2003 02:10 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.satanscheerleaders.com/ruby/gallery/images/1_jpg.jpg

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 27 March 2003 02:17 (twenty-three years ago)

Jess, great minds think alike. The prinicipal tried to talk me into sponsoring our squad this year. Good thing I got out of it or the girls would've been outfitted like this:

http://www.satanscheerleaders.com/events/momos/0029_SubMoMo.jpg

That Girl (thatgirl), Thursday, 27 March 2003 02:23 (twenty-three years ago)

"good thing"

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 27 March 2003 02:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Are there any records of cheers throughout the 20th Century, like a Folk Anthonology sort of thing? I was looking for cheers on Napster way back when and all I could get were these megamix things of popular songs that cheerleaders dance around to. And "U.G.L.Y.".

I got along pretty well with the cheerleaders at my high school for some reason. I was their punk rock mascot.

Arthur (Arthur), Thursday, 27 March 2003 02:33 (twenty-three years ago)

eight months pass...
This month's (December 2003) Face has an excellent cover feature story on East End cheerleaders by Anna. Well done, Anna!

I was sentimentally attached to the Ascension Eagles cheerleaders in Anna's story b/c I too was a cheerleader for our team, the Eagles, in junior high school. Eagles sounds like such a quintessentially American mascot, doesn't it? Is Eagles a common team name in England or was this something special because of cheerleader culture?

felicity (felicity), Monday, 1 December 2003 05:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I wanted to post a picture of Hilarie Burton in One Tree Hill but I couldn't find one.

Mary (Mary), Monday, 1 December 2003 06:14 (twenty-two years ago)

twelve years pass...

Trident! Mentos!
Dentyne Ice!
Birds are hosts to
Ticks and lice!
Gooooooooo team!

how's life, Thursday, 7 July 2016 14:37 (nine years ago)

eight years pass...

It's not often that a NYT article leaves me furious - like absolutely furious

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/22/magazine/cheerleading-jeff-webb.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Uk4.BKrI.CHVJUFfY2m-r&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&tgrp=cnt

Nationwide, just over a million children, mostly girls, participate in cheer each year (some estimates are even higher), more than the number who play softball or lacrosse. And almost every part of that world is dominated by a single company: Varsity Spirit. It’s hard to cheer at the youth, high school or collegiate level without putting money in the company’s pocket. Varsity operates summer camps where children learn to do stunts and perform; it hosts events where they compete; it sells pom-poms they shake and uniforms they wear on the sidelines of high school and college football games. Each year, Varsity ships 4.6 million pieces of apparel, from $80 leopard-print “Cheer Mom” fleeces to custom uniforms covered in Swarovski crystals.

Critics like Matt Stoller, an antitrust expert and the research director of the American Economic Liberties Project, claim that the cheer giant is a monopolist whose dominance in its area rivals that of Google in tech and has had negative impacts for participants and their families. Varsity, based in Memphis, generates hundreds of millions of dollars in annual revenue, with gross profit margins at times topping 40 percent, making the company a cash cow for a series of private-equity owners. Parents have reported spending upward of $10,000 a year per child in competitive cheer, with Varsity controlling, by some estimates, more than 80 percent of that market.

Jeff Webb, the man who founded Varsity, has been called “John D. Rockefeller with glitter” and the “Dark Sith Lord” of cheer by some of his detractors. Webb, now in his 70s, pioneered the gravity-defying acrobatics of modern cheer. He paired his innovations with a desire for control over every facet of the sport, which he pursued over the course of more than four decades.

To maintain his influence, lawsuits have alleged, Webb lobbied against categorizing scholastic cheerleading as a sport at the high school and college levels. Had the N.C.A.A. recognized cheer, it might have protected Jennings in college, limiting her practice hours and ensuring that she got a hearing if her scholarship were threatened because of an injury. Instead, Varsity founded governing bodies whose representatives sometimes downplayed safety concerns in the media as flyers like Jennings returned to the mat again and again after serious concussions. Competitive cheer is shockingly dangerous: In the past 40 years, the number of catastrophic injuries sustained by cheerleaders is greater than those sustained by female athletes playing all other high school and college sports combined. For many years, those same governing bodies failed to comprehensively track and ban problematic coaches, who bounced from gym to gym. Sometimes they did more than yell or throw things: Cheer is now dealing with a sexual-abuse scandal with parallels to that of USA Gymnastics.

Varsity’s market power has made the cheer world a paranoid place. In my reporting for this story, dozens of people spoke about the company in conspiratorial tones better suited to a spy thriller. My sources were at least right that the company was paying attention. Not long after beginning my reporting for The Times, a managing director from Teneo — the high-powered public-relations firm whose clients have included Coca-Cola, Dow Chemical and Saudi Arabia’s public investment fund — contacted me. I soon found myself dealing with separate P.R. agencies representing two private-equity firms, Varsity and Jeff Webb himself, who invited me to interview him. “I don’t think I’ve done a great job marketing myself,” he told me. “I would rather let the deeds speak for themselves.”

Varsity had been hit with a raft of antitrust and personal-injury lawsuits, which provided an unprecedented glimpse into Varsity’s operations: Thousands of pages of documents and emails showed how Webb, a former cheerleader himself, built a company so powerful that its market position has not been meaningfully challenged by the many lawsuits and controversies. In July, KKR, one of the largest private-equity firms in the world, bought Varsity and its affiliate companies from Bain Capital for a reported $4.75 billion, a clear bet that Varsity’s control of cheerleading will survive the current scrutiny. Since the KKR sale, a sense of foreboding hangs over the world of cheer: Is there any scandal big enough to shake Varsity’s grip on American cheerleading?

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 26 October 2024 17:37 (one year ago)

That got some discussion on the dystopia thread.

Kim Kimberly, Saturday, 26 October 2024 18:33 (one year ago)


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