If/When the Dr*ft is reinstated in the U.S...

I actually always hear of (esp. punk rock) musicians trying to claim refugee status when they cross the border. I think everybody has a little chuckle and then they get a cavity search.
King Coffey once told me a funny story about that, re: going through customs as a member of the Butthole Surfers.

Not necessarily in that order.

"December, 2001: Canada and the United States sign a "Smart Border Declaration." Designed to identify and manage security risks, this plan calls for the implementation of a Canada-US "pre-clearance agreement," the sharing of "advance passenger information" and the development of a jointly held immigration database and programs for "joint removals of deportees." Though designed to fight terrorism, the plan could make escaping to Canada more difficult."

Given that anyone can take out a student load and go to college, college deferments will not be an option anymore.

Plus, I have some documentation of my opposition to war, which is essential if you'd like to be labeled a 'conscientious objector'. I suggest that everyone who is worried about being drafted write out their anti-war beliefs and get them dated and witnessed.

Huh? My father was drafted in the period between Korea and Vietnam, and never saw any combat.

if it does, i am probably at risk being 23... although i have terrible vision.

i would hope to get asylum in france, not canada.

Shotgun justice backfires on driver
Man charged in first 'camera rage' case

Tue Mar 25 2003

By Bruce Owen

A 27-year-old city man used a shotgun to get even with one of Winnipeg's new photo enforcement cameras after it snapped a picture of him speeding down Marion Street.
Police say this is the first instance of so-called "camera rage" in Winnipeg, where photo enforcement has been up and running for more than two months.

But if the motorist had bothered to read the law instead of loading his gun, he would have learned his Alberta-registered pickup truck wasn't eligible for a speeding ticket.

The shooting happened at 3:54 a.m. last Thursday, when the suspect -- police did not release his name -- sped east through the intersection at Marion Street and Dufresne Avenue, Const. Bob Johnson said yesterday.

The truck's speed automatically triggered the camera, activating the flash unit and recording the speed as 77 km-h in a 50 km-h zone.

"When the camera was activated, he saw the flash and took exception to it," Johnson said. Police believe the suspect then drove home, got a shotgun, loaded it and then quickly drove back to the scene.

He aimed his weapon at the camera device and fired. His second shot took out the nearby flash unit. He then sped away.

However, the gunplay did not destroy the camera's film, and after it was developed, police were able to trace the vehicle and the suspect.

Police arrested the man later in the day at his residence, seizing a still-loaded shotgun.

The man has been charged with mischief over $5,000, careless use of a firearm and unsafe storage of a firearm.

Ironically, Winnipeg police say they couldn't have issued a speeding ticket to the irate motorist. Under Manitoba law, out-of-province car owners can't be tagged by photo enforcement; only vehicle owners of cars registered in Manitoba are subject to fines.

If the suspect's truck had been registered in Manitoba, he would have faced a $145 fine.

Rather than leaving America, I'm just gonna get off the grid and live outta my tent in the Big South Fork, fishing and growing stuff and teaching my son to live off the Earth and packin' heat and livin' large like some hillbilly-hardcore cross between Red Dawn and Ghost Dog and Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?.

Well, unless there's a cancelled Gun's N' Roses show.

So, while I can sympathize with dodgees, I don't see myself
following in their path. I only hope I have time to get married
and have kids before WW3, so I can propagate the ol'
genes.

(the point is that you could conceivably live a longer, happier life if you don't participate in combat)

so you say now, but when you are shot in the guts and spend ten hours dying you might not be quite so convinced.

Does anyone else get the feeling that Bush, even as
those dim lips repeat the same nonsensical BS about
"protecting our freedoms," is really little more than
a glorified five-year-old, throwing a pinecone and
shouting "boom, you're dead."

And actually, Millar is OTM, they would/will just buy more rockets on credit. This is a strange hypothetical argument.

I just don't think that the Iraq thang will be the catalyst for a new draft unless the nature of the war changes, i.e., a world war with multiple fronts in various parts of the world. And I'm not convinced that a huge army would be considered desirable this time around, when better (only in the sense of more precise) bombs will keep US casualties lower thus allowing the war-mongers to manipulate public opinion longer and in turn keep a higher-tech war running longer. I think it comes down to cost-effectiveness, not morality in the least.

Also, remember that after Vietnam, the next president elected was Carter who wouldn't have gone to war if the Japanese had bombed Pearl Harbor. After Bush I, Clinton was elected, and if someone had tried to blow up the WTC during his watch he would have just lobbed a couple of missiles at Afghanistan...hey, wait a minute........

So, all I mean is that if it gets ugly from the US public opinion standpoint this time around, Bush II won't get reelected and it will take another cycle to get another hawk in. But I don't see a draft as an inevitability.

BUT if I was young enough to be drafted, I'd make damn sure I was a medic.

Oooohhhhhhhh....you'll burn in hell for that one....I mean, wait a minute, I'm too young to remember too! No really....where's my ID....uh, it's here somewhere.......

We can go all the way back to 1980 and you still look like an idiot.
There's this thing called Google, Horace. you should check it out.

zing!

Or if they are indeed young enough, they might think the Army might be the only place where you can be sure to get all that.

I do think it is worth dying to preserve my country
and/or it's freedoms.
Unfortunately, no wars have been fought for this reason
since, oh, 1861 (if not earlier).
Of course, even if we were in a real struggle for survival,
I wouldn't support the draft (see the freedoms bit).

Could you all sound any MORE like the upper-crusty scumbags you revile?

*slow burn*

Yeah, there won't be a draft (Rumsfeld doesn't like draftees generally anyway) because instead, they have decided to extend most people's contracts for up to a year. Instead of getting out of the USAF in eight months, I now get out in approximately 20.

OFF WE GO, INTO THE WILD BLUE YONDER

I do like they way Rangel is using this as a wedge issue.

I laugh at the draft.