People You Suspect Are Frighteningly Overrated But Don't Actually Know Enough About To Say So

Tom Wolfe. Jeanette Winterson. Eric Rohmer.

others for me = Hardy and Shakespeare, can't get into either so haven't read enough to argue sensibly.

Oh, and that fizzy Willy Wonka bar you can get is wonderful!

Actually there were exceptions.

https://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/images/reviews/190/1268772050_1.jpg

Hey!

Just giving myself a slap for clicking on this thread again

giving Chinaski a slap, then myself, then leaving

I'm happy they're there, putting out their scabrous take on Millets, Stephen Hendry's hair (probably) and fish and chips every year but sometimes you just gotta say it! I'm glad I said it. I feel cleansed.

Half Man Half Biscuit get a pass for being the only band to ever mention Chatteris, the bleak Norfolk town I spent my pre-teens having to visit on occasion, in song.

Although mentioning Chatteris in song is shit whimsy so pass revoked

Grayson Perry

b-but i thought amateurish mediocrity was what made brit-art so distinctly erm... shite!

Yes, Grayson Perry, don't get him at all.

His Reith lectures were great, his tv shows are very thoughtful, he seems to be a natural at connecting with different sections of society and uses that to feed interesting ideas into his art. But I don't care for his art.

Of all the 'graphic novels' by celebrity names who know fuck all about making comics, Grayson Perry's is, by some distance, the worst I've ever seen.

I listened to him on Richard Herring (yes, I know) and he was a bit 'you can't say anything any more; I like to go on Twitter and wind people up'. Meh/

oh yeah, in the “ideas, but in comic form” stakes I’d submit Bjarke Ingels, who has been showing his entire ass to the field of architecture lately

This is probably more for a 'thing that really irritates you and christ why do the have so much acclaim' thread

Oh wait it’s more self congratulatory

Aristotle

xp It's an "overrated" thread - if you have any awareness that your opinion might be at all subjective, you have to leave that shit at the door, it harshes everyone else's rage buzz.

aristotle is surely the smartest person to have been wrong about everything

aristotle is surely the smartest person to have been wrong about everything

― The Cognitive Peasant (ogmor)

excuse me the ghost of athanasius kircher would like to have a few words with you

Syd Barrett

Tbf the same could be said of Plato.

xp

Syd Barrett’s eyes are underrated

anagram outed as Roger Waters

if you have any awareness that your opinion might be at all subjective, you have to leave that shit at the door, it harshes everyone else's rage buzz.

That describes like 90% of ilx tho

Ban all opinions imo.

xp nah, about 5% of ILM, max

The Shaggs

they taught me who parents are!

and gave me my philosophy of the world!

eileen myles

yes

Wikipedia: Novelist Dennis Cooper has described Myles as "one of the savviest and most restless intellects in contemporary literature."

If this is the highest praise from the most prominent proponent that the Wikipedia contributor could scrounge up, then I find it hard to believe the subject is "frighteningly overrated" by anyone outside of some incestuous little coterie of mutually admiring artistes.

how about: i suspect she's overrated by the people i know who care about poetry?

which i know more than a few

dennis cooper rocks though so now i'm thinking about interrogating this suspicion

recently read Chelsea Girls and it's great. can't speak for her poetry.

It's funny to police this thread over the lack of an objective standard for "overrated" rather than the embarrassing smugness of the premise. The micro-scale of Brad's example is slightly more interesting, I think, than those posters above the skip bravely naming Marx, Freud, "All of Krautrock," etc

Neil Gaiman. But not Amanda Palmer because, afaict, nobody rates her.

Amanda Palmer has 15,674 patrons on Patreon, so apparently some people rate her.

This thread title describes my feelings on The Frogs. Brought this up on their thread, but seeing this reminded me again...

(xp) She might be a genius, all I know is that everyone ILX seems to hate her.

Some people's talents lie in making transcendent music for a niche audience. Some people bring art to the masses. Amanda's talent is in shameless grifting. Who are we to judge which is better?

I just listened to 45 seconds of 'Drowning in the Sound' and it immediately silenced the part of me that wants to give every musician a fair shake. The album it's culled from reportedly last 78 minutes.

"Amanda Palmer has 15,674 patrons on Patreon"

I calculate that I had probably had that at least that many dumps by the age of 36 if I had a dump average of 1.2 a day.

her lowest tier is $1 and her highest is $250, if her average supporter is giving $5 then that's $78,370 per month, for Patreon alone, no I am not obsessed by this

imagine getting paid $250 a dump, but only once every 6400 dumps
show your math

If I get backpaid calzino’s $3.2milli now, I bet I can make it last until the next big dump drop. Even if I lash out with that bounty and eat meat twice a week, it shouldn’t bring my average down to 1.2/day.

it's the .2 that really gets ya

Eileen Myles is awesome

Every time I've housesit for a homo friend I always see some Dennis Cooper novel on the shelf called Scum or Tripe or Bum or something and I crack it open thinking "ok maybe this is the one that everybody says I simply must read" and I suffer for twenty-odd pages of utter illegible nonsense before giving up and thinking that maybe JT Leroy wasn't so bad after all

I did pause when one of the members of my book club asked whether or not I would want to know Dennis Cooper personally