What would H.P. Lovecraft be writing about now?

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I think he'd be writing stuff like he normally does but with a William Gibson -type twist:

"SOME OF THE SUMERIAN PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES UTILIZE PERPLEXING NON-EUCLIDIAN CURVES AND ANGLES AS CHARACTERS...TO STARE AT THEM IS TO KNOW MADNESS"

Jon Williams (ex machina), Friday, 28 March 2003 19:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Stella Doro Swiss Fudge Cookies.....and how good they are.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 28 March 2003 19:34 (twenty-three years ago)

has anyone read the recent Alan Moore comic "The Courtyard"? Lovecraftian horror in present day New York, nice.

but yeah, you are right, Jon. All the racist stuff would be about t-heads, I imagine.

DV (dirtyvicar), Saturday, 29 March 2003 12:21 (twenty-three years ago)

two years pass...
I never though Lovecraft had as big an issue with race as he does with class, to be honest. Though nearly ALL OF HIS PROTAGONISTS are dumb as dirt, even if they are upper class. Cynicism?

If he were writing now, I'd guess it would involve diseases wiping out middle American communities--in excruciating detail.

Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Monday, 24 October 2005 17:36 (twenty years ago)

also: diseases possibly planted by TERRORISTS... who are not really terrorists, but are cultists serving some god with an unspeakable name who wish to aid the Muslims. (maybe some oblique Koranic references would be nice.)

Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Monday, 24 October 2005 17:37 (twenty years ago)

http://www.foxnews.com/images/126874/0_21_200_oreilly_coulter_052704.jpg

Dan I., Monday, 24 October 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)

Ha or aren't we allowed to make those kind of jokes anymore

dan I., Monday, 24 October 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)

Anneka Rice?

jel -- (jel), Monday, 24 October 2005 17:41 (twenty years ago)

What would H.P. Lovecraft be writing about now? THE CLICK FIVE!!!!!

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 24 October 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)

Eurgh. They are a horror that seeped down from the skies, to be sure.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 October 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)

do you mean she is the modern day lovecraft or was that just another tired ugly/evil joke

_, Monday, 24 October 2005 17:52 (twenty years ago)

probably the Arctic Monkeys, in his blog.

Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Monday, 24 October 2005 17:52 (twenty years ago)

I'm sure he'd be too busy trolling ILE to get any real writing done.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Monday, 24 October 2005 17:58 (twenty years ago)

i drew a picture of CTHULU today in english class

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 24 October 2005 17:59 (twenty years ago)

I read that to the tune of "Black Steel in the Hour of Chaos"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 October 2005 18:01 (twenty years ago)

I read that to the tune of "A Day In The Life".

The Ghost of Oh Boy..... (Dan Perry), Monday, 24 October 2005 18:02 (twenty years ago)

I can name that thread in three notes.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 October 2005 18:02 (twenty years ago)

I don't think there's any evidence that human ideas of ugliness and evil can be properly said to have a place in the Lovecraft canon.

Dan I., Monday, 24 October 2005 18:03 (twenty years ago)

I think the guy had the stuffy, stick-up-arse, New England upper-classy thing against anybody below him(poor folks, immigrants, any racial minorities), etc.

also, today's pedantic nerdery: it was Neal Stephenson, not Gibson, who was more likely to write about sumerian mythology & programming.

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 24 October 2005 18:04 (twenty years ago)

I think the guy had the stuffy, stick-up-arse, New England upper-classy thing against anybody below him(poor folks, immigrants, any racial minorities), etc.

his wife was jewish

vahid (vahid), Monday, 24 October 2005 18:07 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, and that marriage lasted forever, didn't it? Still, as mentioned, it seems much more likely that the dude had a class thing going, as opposed to anti-semitism.

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 24 October 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)

and in many of the stories, immigrants and poor are rendered sympathetically (only the recent italian immigrants understand and work to oppose the shining trapezohedron in "haunter of the dark", see also: the polish immigrants of "dreams in the witch house", the hapless hillbillies of "colour out of space")

i find that just as often, lovecraft locates evil in the corruption of the old, established yankee families - see "rats in the walls", "the dunwich horror", "shadow over innsmouth" (especially), "the thing on the doorstep", "the picture in the house", etc ... many of his stories seem to be the 1920s version of bret easton ellis - corruption and decay in the houses of the rich and wealthy, the dangers of class isolation, xenophobia, etc

he is something of the perennial outsider.

vahid (vahid), Monday, 24 October 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)

"Call of Cthulhu" kinda conflated the fear between immigrants/folks of mixed race/cultists.

he is something of the perennial outsider.

i agree with that.

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 24 October 2005 18:21 (twenty years ago)

yeah, it's too bad, "call of the cthulhu" is probably the #1 worst in terms of PC-ignorant characterizations and situations, and it's probably the #1 most-read lovecraft story (while being far from his #1 best story, i don't even rank it in the top 20, to be honest)

also of course one of my examples (the hillbillies in "colour out of space") supports your point ... he was definitely a pulp writer, and stereotypes are stock-in-trade for pulp writing. combine that w/ the generally not-so-progressive mores of 1920s and you have some pretty crude and backwards charicatures in his writing - the middle easterners in his stories hurt me in my heart, man!! but (judged in the context of his day) i think lovecraft was hardly a racist or a classist.

vahid (vahid), Monday, 24 October 2005 18:24 (twenty years ago)

CSI epsiodes.

kephm (kephm), Monday, 24 October 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)

Hmm. It does make more sense when seen in context of 1920s pulps.

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 24 October 2005 18:35 (twenty years ago)

well there is that part in one of his stories, i think "the rats in the walls", where the narrator suddenly mentions his cat, named "nigger-man".

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 24 October 2005 18:39 (twenty years ago)

oh god i remember coming across that passage

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 24 October 2005 18:45 (twenty years ago)

You were that excited by it, were you?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 October 2005 18:46 (twenty years ago)

I can go piss on his grave if anyone wants.

kephm (kephm), Monday, 24 October 2005 18:47 (twenty years ago)

modern day lovecraft = clive barker, ye fules

"midnight meat train" = NY is owned by race of subterranean dwarves who use subways as cattle cars
"pig blood blues" = cannibalism in brit public schools
"in the hills, the cities" = bizarre ritual warfare in rural slav state (allegory ahoy)
"skins of the fathers" = comedy where great old ones come back for their alien love child
"the forbidden" = candyman
"hellbound heart" = hellraiser
"the madonna" = secret source of cremaster v, ancient fertility goddess lives in run-down urban bathhouse

i can't really recommend most of the rest of the books of blood, a lot of it is sort of corny splattercore and a lot of it is goofy comedy-horror. also he jumped the shark severely in the 90s when he decided to go all touchy-feely new-agey - sort of trying to split the difference between stephen king's homey homilies and neil gaiman's food court wiccanisms.

vahid (vahid), Monday, 24 October 2005 18:48 (twenty years ago)

those early books of blood were serious wig-flippers when i was 12 or so.

strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Monday, 24 October 2005 18:49 (twenty years ago)

pig blood blues and in the hills, the cities, esp.

strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Monday, 24 October 2005 18:49 (twenty years ago)

neil gaiman's food court wiccanisms.

heh. speaking of which, where do you place Chuck Palahniuk's _Lullaby_?

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 24 October 2005 18:50 (twenty years ago)

anyway what was more shocking, that the narrator had named his cat "niggerman" or that his ancestors used thousands of slaves for ritual sacrifice and kept them in necrous underground chambers lit by phosphorescent fungi?

vahid (vahid), Monday, 24 October 2005 18:52 (twenty years ago)

"necrous"?

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 24 October 2005 19:00 (twenty years ago)

Lovecraft's main thing being the complete helplessness of human beings in a world that is hostile and impossible for them to deal with etc, I think what sympathetic portrayals he gives of "primitives" and "rustics" is mostly down to them, through their ancient superstitions, actually being more aware of their helpless standing than the educated, well-bred rationalists above them.

Also, the noble, rational young man of good social standing who finds out that there is something tainted, impure in his bloodline is a common theme I think.

The vilain of "The Picture In The House" is surely neither rich nor wealthy, vahid!

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Monday, 24 October 2005 19:01 (twenty years ago)

Also, the noble, rational young man of good social standing who finds out that there is something tainted, impure in his bloodline is a common theme I think

all the way back to the greeks, right?

vahid (vahid), Monday, 24 October 2005 19:02 (twenty years ago)

anyway here is the villian in "picture in the house"

Searchers after horror haunt strange, far places ... but the true epicure in the terrible, to whom a new thrill of unutterable ghastliness is the chief end and justification of existence, esteems most of all the ancient, lonely farmhouses of backwoods New England; for there the dark elements of strength, solitude, grotesqueness and ignorance combine to form the perfection of the hideous ... In such houses have dwelt generations of strange people, whose like the world has never seen. Seized with a gloomy and fanatical belief which exiled them from their kind, their ancestors sought the wilderness for freedom. There the scions of a conquering race indeed flourished free from the restrictions of their fellows, but cowered in an appalling slavery to the dismal phantasms of their own minds. Divorced from the enlightenment of civilization, the strength of these Puritans turned into singular channels; and in their isolation, morbid self-repression, and struggle for life with relentless Nature, there came to them dark furtive traits from the prehistoric depths of their cold Northern heritage. By necessity practical and by philosophy stern, these folks were not beautiful in their sins. Erring as all mortals must, they were forced by their rigid code to seek concealment above all else; so that they came to use less and less taste in what they concealed

vahid (vahid), Monday, 24 October 2005 19:05 (twenty years ago)

where do you place Chuck Palahniuk's _Lullaby_?
"Diary" is even more Gothic and creepy and rotten-bloodliney. I grew up with those characters.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Monday, 24 October 2005 19:07 (twenty years ago)

lovecraft's fear of the poor EXPLAINED

Lovecraft was born on 20 August 1890 in his family home at 194 (then 454) Angell Street in Providence, Rhode Island. His father was Winfield Scott Lovecraft, a traveling salesman of jewelry and precious metals. His mother was Sarah Susan Phillips Lovecraft, who could trace her ancestors in America back to their arrival in the Massachusetts Bay Colony in 1630 ... When Lovecraft was three his father became acutely psychotic at a hotel in Chicago, Illinois, where he was on a business trip, and was brought back to Butler Hospital in Providence, where he remained for the rest of his life. His affliction was general paresis. Lovecraft was thereafter raised by his mother, two aunts (Lillian Delora Phillips and Annie Emeline Phillips), and his grandfather, Whipple Van Buren Phillips ... Whipple Van Buren Phillips died in 1904, and the family was subsequently impoverished by mismanagement of his property and money. The family was forced to move down Angell Street to much smaller and less comfortable accommodations. Lovecraft was deeply affected by the loss of his home and birthplace and even contemplated suicide for a time. He suffered a nervous breakdown in 1908, as a result of which he never received his high school diploma. this failure to complete his education — his hopes of ever entering Brown University dashed — nagged at him for the rest of his life, and he in fact maintained that he was a highschool graduate.

vahid (vahid), Monday, 24 October 2005 19:08 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, he had a thing for New England history.

xpost

His mom raised & dressed him as a girl until he was 7-8, didn't she?

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 24 October 2005 19:13 (twenty years ago)

Also this of course being a fictionalized universe it all becomes very relative - the savage cults in "The Call Of Cthulhu" aren't all that racist in context, cos there's all sorts of similiar cults spread around the world and featuring all sorts of ethnicities.

xpost!

all the way back to the greeks, right?

Haha, I meant in his work specifically. I'm saying fear of miscegenation (sp?) pops up a lot in his work, and I don't think he's mocking it, either - Arthur Jerymn is the best example, I mean, the conclusion of that one is actually quite comical, but Lovecraft seemed to think it very scary.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Monday, 24 October 2005 19:14 (twenty years ago)

vilain in "Picture In The House" = rustic puritan farmer, no? Degenrate and all, but closer to the "Deliverance"/"Preacher" world of inbred redneck crazies than decadent aristocrats.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Monday, 24 October 2005 19:16 (twenty years ago)

(we're giving away quite some spoilers here, maybe the thread should be marked?)

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Monday, 24 October 2005 19:17 (twenty years ago)

now hpl might be writing about the creeping terror one feels within a wal-mart or home depot.

Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Monday, 24 October 2005 19:18 (twenty years ago)

IKEÅ!! IKEÅ!! THE BLUE BOX OF THE NORHT W/ A THOUSAND YOUNG!!

vahid (vahid), Monday, 24 October 2005 19:21 (twenty years ago)

And they've all got goofy names!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 October 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)

re: fear of miscegenation = dude i FREAKED when i found out my parents were cousins ... OK it was like twice-removed, but still ...

vahid (vahid), Monday, 24 October 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)

the savage cults in "The Call Of Cthulhu" aren't all that racist in context, cos there's all sorts of similiar cults spread around the world and featuring all sorts of ethnicities.

that's what i meant by the conflation. The miscegenation, especially.

shit, CoC and Pickman's Model are the only stories I've read of his in the last few weeks(since working at the HP Lovecraft Film Fest here in Portland)..

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 24 October 2005 19:26 (twenty years ago)

I think Thomas Ligotti is probably the nearest thing you'll get to a modern day HPL, and he takes the paranoia to the level where every atom of the universe is out to get you.

Soukesian, Monday, 24 October 2005 20:04 (twenty years ago)

now hpl might be writing about the creeping terror one feels within a wal-mart or home depot.

Yeah, pretty much. That or the crumbling ruins of old textile mills around Providence and how creeped out he is by the people at Waterfire.

Funny, I used to live about a block away from 194 Angell.

dar1a g (daria g), Monday, 24 October 2005 20:41 (twenty years ago)

I think Daria is talking Ian or Me :(

jw (ex machina), Monday, 24 October 2005 20:45 (twenty years ago)

the savage cults in "The Call Of Cthulhu" aren't all that racist in context, cos there's all sorts of similiar cults spread around the world and featuring all sorts of ethnicities

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/recon83/mola.jpg

rogermexico (rogermexico), Monday, 24 October 2005 20:59 (twenty years ago)

Waterfire, creep hpl out? are you people on cheap drugs? Not even close.

kephm (kephm), Monday, 24 October 2005 21:00 (twenty years ago)

aren't all that racist in context

http://www.vgmuseum.com/pics/indy0000.gif

rogermexico (rogermexico), Monday, 24 October 2005 21:01 (twenty years ago)

LOVECRAFT = SO NOIZE

Maybe Lovecraft would be that drunk homeless dude who used to hang out by my old apartment building.

Dude, Waterfire is creepy! Everyone gets all quiet and serious like. And the music..

dar1a g (daria g), Monday, 24 October 2005 21:02 (twenty years ago)

can we bring hpl back from the dead to work on 30minute shorts with the rza instrumentals.

not that creepy really. isn't is sponsored by starbucks or fleet bank?

kephm (kephm), Monday, 24 October 2005 21:05 (twenty years ago)

OK, "creepy" isn't the word, I think he'd get pissed off - like WTF is wrong with these people, happily shopping in Providence Place and then walking over and getting all intense and serious over a bunch of little bonfires, whilst CTHULHU is lurking over at the Masonic temple building and stuff.

dar1a g (daria g), Monday, 24 October 2005 21:06 (twenty years ago)

I'm amazed I'm not the only one who came to this thread with an urge to post a pic of Coulter.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 24 October 2005 21:31 (twenty years ago)

Lovecraft and I went to the same high school. We weren't in the same class, though.

Remy (x Jeremy), Monday, 24 October 2005 21:55 (twenty years ago)

ha but Daddino I was obviously just baiting Ethan!

Dan I. (Dan I.), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 00:46 (twenty years ago)

Don't think that didn't cross my mind.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 00:51 (twenty years ago)

i still think whoever said csi is so otm

anthony, Tuesday, 25 October 2005 03:00 (twenty years ago)

jer he went to hope!

jw (ex machina), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 03:26 (twenty years ago)

in regards to the thread topic, what about internet stalkers? He'd go on about mysterious Missed Connections bits that pointed to something sinister afoot on CL.

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 13:42 (twenty years ago)

http://www.livejournal.com/users/raspberrywho/

You mean like ^ ?

jdubz (ex machina), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 14:00 (twenty years ago)

ihttp://www.pbfcomics.com/temporary/PBF075ADZuthulu.jpg

kingfish orange creamsicle (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 4 November 2005 01:22 (twenty years ago)

shit:

http://www.pbfcomics.com/temporary/PBF075ADZuthulu.jpg

kingfish orange creamsicle (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 4 November 2005 01:24 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

"For the winged fungus-beings to carry the brain-cylinders intact through space was an easy matter."

haha if only his paragraphs delivered on the promise of his sentences

mark s, Friday, 25 April 2008 13:48 (eighteen years ago)

Mark S you would love nothing more to be a TRAVELLING BRAIN

Ned Raggett, Friday, 25 April 2008 13:57 (eighteen years ago)

Look out for full on brain-cylinder action in the HPL Historical Society's forthcoming "Whisperer in the Darkness" feature!

Soukesian, Friday, 25 April 2008 16:04 (eighteen years ago)

bah only one sentence is worth reading in ths feature

mark s, Friday, 25 April 2008 22:22 (eighteen years ago)

hurrah

mark s, Friday, 25 April 2008 22:23 (eighteen years ago)

"one’s body never ages when the brain is out of it"

^^ fascinating idea

moonship journey to baja, Friday, 25 April 2008 22:46 (eighteen years ago)

IKEÅ!! IKEÅ!! THE BLUE BOX OF THE NORHT W/ A THOUSAND YOUNG!!

-- vahid (vahid), Monday, October 24, 2005 7:21 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Link

s1ocki, Sunday, 27 April 2008 18:21 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

got a book from a dollar rack today--MALL OF CTHULHU.

From the back... "An awkward, geeky folklore student named Teddy single-handedly slew the undead occupants of the Omega Alpha sorority house ... He and Laura must spring into action, traveling all the way from Boston to the seemingly peaceful suburbs of Providence and beyond, all the way to the sanity-shattering non-Euclidean alleyways and towers of dead R'lyeh itself, in order to prevent an innocent shopping center from turning into... The Mall of Cthulhu."

ian, Thursday, 2 July 2009 05:29 (seventeen years ago)

That first post is a pretty good summation of Charles Stross' Bob Howard series (The Atrocity Archives and The Jennifer Morgue)

kickstand. kickstand? kickstand! (los blue jeans), Thursday, 2 July 2009 05:43 (seventeen years ago)

Haunted Riding Lawnmowers and something in some kind of house.

the stain specialist (Viceroy), Thursday, 2 July 2009 06:26 (seventeen years ago)

"one’s body never ages when the brain is out of it"

^^ fascinating idea

― moonship journey to baja, Friday, April 25, 2008 5:46 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark

Maybe this explains some details I've heard about MJ's funeral.

Fetchboy, Thursday, 2 July 2009 13:07 (seventeen years ago)

three years pass...

http://lightyears.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/26/grand-canyon-sized-valley-found-beneath-antarctica/?hpt=hp_t3

the late great, Thursday, 26 July 2012 20:05 (thirteen years ago)

Divorced from the enlightenment of civilization, the strength of these Puritans turned into singular channels; and in their isolation, morbid self-repression, and struggle for life with relentless Nature, there came to them dark furtive traits from the prehistoric depths of their cold Northern heritage.

http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z322/LouPendergrast/Snapbucket/417B3A6D.jpg

the late great, Friday, 27 July 2012 00:42 (thirteen years ago)

There's a store out here called Living Spaces and that always makes me think of Lovecraft.

Amoeba, Fish, Monkey, Shame (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Friday, 27 July 2012 08:50 (thirteen years ago)

one year passes...

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/15/us/spreading-the-word-on-the-power-of-atheism.html

As a teenager, Mr. Joshi discovered Lovecraft, the American author who died young and largely unknown in 1937, but who was beginning to win a posthumous fame. “Initially I discovered him as a great writer of horror stores,” Mr. Joshi said. “But it turns out Lovecraft wrote thousands of letters, to friends and whoever, in which he expressed a forthright and vigorous atheism.”

j., Friday, 21 March 2014 17:23 (twelve years ago)

"We all know that any emotional bias -- irrespective of truth or falsity -- can be implanted by suggestion in the emotions of the young, hence the inherited traditions of an orthodox community are absolutely without evidential value.... If religion were true, its followers would not try to bludgeon their young into an artificial conformity; but would merely insist on their unbending quest for truth, irrespective of artificial backgrounds or practical consequences. With such an honest and inflexible openness to evidence, they could not fail to receive any real truth which might be manifesting itself around them. The fact that religionists do not follow this honourable course, but cheat at their game by invoking juvenile quasi-hypnosis, is enough to destroy their pretensions in my eyes even if their absurdity were not manifest in every other direction."

jmm, Friday, 21 March 2014 18:09 (twelve years ago)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/sexymollusk/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsc5f3f39c.jpg

Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Friday, 21 March 2014 19:39 (twelve years ago)


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