George W. Bush's vocal timbre: C/D?

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an asset.

― naked as sin (naked as sin), Saturday, 29 March 2003 23:02 (twenty-three years ago)

no, an ass hat

― stevem (blueski), Saturday, 29 March 2003 23:05 (twenty-three years ago)

it won him the election

― gareth (gareth), Sunday, 30 March 2003 08:01 (twenty-three years ago)

no it did not.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Sunday, 30 March 2003 08:02 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah, Nader did that

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 30 March 2003 08:03 (twenty-three years ago)

no, gore did that

― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 30 March 2003 09:35 (twenty-three years ago)

gore lost it because he allowed vocal timbre to become an issue (as an element of image and accessibility)

― gareth (gareth), Sunday, 30 March 2003 09:39 (twenty-three years ago)

what strange universe is this where Bush won ANY election?

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 30 March 2003 10:02 (twenty-three years ago)

(Texas doesn't count: a cheese sandwich could probably handle the job of governor there)

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 30 March 2003 10:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Gore did it? More than Nader?

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 30 March 2003 10:10 (twenty-three years ago)

gore:
i. campaigned catastrophically weakly, often (implicitly) against the man who chose him as vice president (and who won the previous two elections against initial prediction)
ii. declined to employ said legendary election-winner even as a supporting speech-maker (let alone a campaign adviser)
iii. failed to pursue the legal battle abt votes etc = conceded = announced bush had won

nader ran for presidential office — as is his democratic right obv — along the way often claiming that bush and gore were indistinguishable: if this claim is what lost the election for gore, it's because a large enough number of people agreed with it => you can call these people dumb if you like, but they are the actual real electorate gore had to work with => the job he put himself up to do was to persuade and animate and inspire the actual real electorate, not some convenient madey-uppy electorate in his head who already all agreed with him

(a real obvious way of emphasising the diff between gore and bush would have been for gore to actually come out in convincing support of his predecessor, during his tribulations and after: ie arguing that a win for bush wd be a win for ken starr etc => gore just totally clammed on this)

to be honest deep down i think gore kinda suddenly realised he actually didn't WANT to be president (re which i don't entirely blame him), and i think this possibly unconscious fastidious distaste for the office itself transmitted itself to all and sundry

― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 30 March 2003 10:23 (twenty-three years ago)

YES YES YES Gore should absolutely have identified/allied etc his campaign w/Clinton, I'd forgotten how petty ("moralist", maybe) and arrogant his man alone campaign was (and how much it bugged me), but I'd be more willing to call Nader fans "unrealistic" than "dumb". Thanks!

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 30 March 2003 10:28 (twenty-three years ago)

'Texas doesn't count: a cheese sandwich could probably handle the job of governor there'

I thought cheese was now un-American!

― dave q, Sunday, 30 March 2003 10:33 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd happily vote for a cheese sandwich right now

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 30 March 2003 10:36 (twenty-three years ago)

we can only eat freedom cheese now -- them's the rules!

― geeta (geeta), Sunday, 30 March 2003 10:45 (twenty-three years ago)

I just meant, I'm hungry and I like cheese, free or not

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 30 March 2003 10:50 (twenty-three years ago)

freedom's something you have to earn, son!

― geeta (geeta), Sunday, 30 March 2003 10:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Fine, I just want some cheese

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 30 March 2003 10:57 (twenty-three years ago)

'free' cheese = 'welfare cheese'?

― dave q, Sunday, 30 March 2003 10:58 (twenty-three years ago)

As long as it's cheese, I don't want to be caught up in semantics

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 30 March 2003 11:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Like most politicians, Bush is a used car salesman with a better wardrobe, but I think there are other greasy Washington types who do a better job of appearing 'sincere'. He doesn't seem confident, either; he just seems totally blank, like his eyes and thoughts are somewhere else when he's talking. It's unnerving to watch him talk, even if it's about something that doesn't involve doom. I mean he could be saying something like 'Hello how are you today' and I'd find it unnerving. Anyway, this assessment might be colored a bit by the fact that I think he's a chimp post-lobotomy

― geeta (geeta), Sunday, 30 March 2003 11:10 (twenty-three years ago)

oh for fuck's sake he's obv a pretty clever chimp

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 30 March 2003 11:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Speaking of lobotomies, the history of lobotomization is really fascinating stuff! If all this thinking about the world geopolitical situation and clicking 'reload' on CNN.com hasn't already made it difficult for you to sleep at nite, read about Walter Freeman right before you go to bed sometime. Freeman popularized the lobotomy in the '30s and '40s, recommending the procedure for everything from psychosis to criminality to plain ol' depression! He was so impatient with the difficult surgical techniques invented by Moniz that he pioneered the quick'n'dirty idea of using an icepick to 'swish it around'! A true American innovator! He used a gold-plated icepick (swanky) and used it to go from one patient to the next, assembly-line stylee. Freeman used to have his assistants time his procedures to see if he could break his own 'lobotomy speed record'! Isn't the history of medicine cool.

Anyway, back to the thread. What were we talking about again? Cheese?

― geeta (geeta), Sunday, 30 March 2003 11:25 (twenty-three years ago)

he just seems totally blank, like his eyes and thoughts are somewhere else when he's talking.

He's on coke. He really is. It's obvious once you notice it. Whenever I see him on television I'm fixated on his nostrils, waiting for little greenish grains to sprinkle on his upper lip.

― Wintermute (Wintermute), Sunday, 30 March 2003 12:31 (twenty-three years ago)

he just seems totally blank, like his eyes and thoughts are somewhere else when he's talking.

"One of my favorite Disney features though is the animatronics. Those are the life-like figures that are computerized and motorized. Animatrons greet you at several attractions. The best though is the "Hall of Presidents." They are all there, from Washington and Lincoln to our current "president." As the show goes on, each one of them addresses you for a short moment. They even stand up and sit down. It is quite realistic. They move and talk like real people. It is really a pretty amazing feet of engineering. People who look and act quite real, but aren’t. They are just machines who simply do programmed things. They have the appearance of reality on the outside, but are really just imitations on the inside."

any guess as to where the 'real' George Bush is...

― Paul (scifisoul), Sunday, 30 March 2003 12:58 (twenty-three years ago)

eight months pass...

Maybe I should get that lazer surgery and fix my eyes and never wear glasses again.

― Allyzay, Wednesday, 3 December 2003 18:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I keep being tempted by that. I wonder if my job would pay for it?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 18:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I wish I had the kind of health care plan that would pay for it!

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 18:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Hahaha I like how I posted this on this thread, I swear I thought this was a thread about glasses.

― Allyzay, Wednesday, 3 December 2003 18:46 (twenty-two years ago)

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