A Personal Vendetta (indulge me)

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Flicking through Makeout club earlier, I found someone I actually know, believe it or not. Look for boys in London (I was just doing that to see my profile and stare at myself lovingly) and there's someone called 'map'. He was one of those wazzocks in that Forest scene I was talking about on ILM and an All Tomorrow's Parties zombie. Anyway, look at this. The fat-headed fellow on the right is my part-time nemesis, Jasper Hammil. So...has anyone else out there got an arch-enemy, and if so are they on the web anywhere?

― DG, Friday, 8 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'd love to have my own nemesis but unfortunately everyone loves me. How can you acquire one and how come he's only a part-time nemesis?

― Michael, Friday, 8 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Well, first of all your nemesis must be your friend at some point, otherwise you can't feel betrayed and thus *really* hate them. Secondly, they must get really into drugs (of all kinds) and completely dump you for their drug friends. Thirdly, they must ring you up at awkward times of the day and tell you what a good time they had last night (even though you weren't invited, and they know it), how caned they are and how much they're going to smoke/snort later. Fourth, they must then be rude about you and your friends to their drug friends, who only like the nemesis cos he's loaded and has a big and usually empty house in Chigwell. Fifth, and this is only if you're lucky, find them at a festival and jump on their ingrowing toenails.

― DG, Friday, 8 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I have a personal vendetta against everyone. This one guy that used to be in my fan club who works at a place near my workplace who Otis has supposedly met, he went up to my friend today and grabs her arm and is all, "You do me a favor, you tell your friend, that girl Ally, to never speak my name in a sentence again." Like, what the fuck? I don't even talk about him until he annoys me. I have a vendetta against him now, I'm going to get him fired.

I don't have any arch nemesises that fall under your definition re: the drugs and all.

― Ally, Friday, 8 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Oh no, I just meant nemesis in general. That's *my* nemesis, but yours doesn't have to be the same as mine. This thread is basically for venting steam, bitching about people you don't like. I was fine until I stumbled across the site that pictures from, and I suddenly remembered how much that fat useless druggie bastard gets on my nerves. GAH!

― DG, Friday, 8 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Yuck. What an asshole. Part-time. Shheeeit. You should make it yer life mission to destroy him. I've noticed that though with some blokes who get REALLY into drugs, they get it into their head that they're some kinda hero. Like this bloke i knew in school. I met him at a pub and I heard he was in Ibiza for 3 months. I sez "Well, how was Ibiza then". He stares off into the air real solemn like and sez really slowly "..Ibiza, man, Ibiza" and then shakes his head. SLAP.

― Michael, Friday, 8 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

If they legalised drugs usage would probably drop, as certain elements would no longer be able to believe they're getting one over on The Man, and the appeal would be lost.

― DG, Friday, 8 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I have the sneaky feeling yer right. Hunting cattle is the new acid if you ask me. I saw a cow do a somersualt over a 5 foot metal fence today. No acid I ever took was that extraordinary.

― Michael, Friday, 8 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I would use way more drugs. I mean, hello, who wants to deal with dealers? My friend's dealer just got busted, we could've went down because our timing was horrible calling him.

I so hope to god my mom never searches for my name on Google and finds these message boards.

― Ally, Friday, 8 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I agree Ally, but I'm talking about the idiots who usually wear Che Guevara T-shirts and like RATM or some shit like that.

― DG, Friday, 8 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

That Jasper guy looks like a fuck, I wanna destroy that guy. I mean, his name's Jasper.

Zach (that's the guy you have a vendetta against, right, Ally?) totally gave me a wrong number for the Manhattan towing services, so he's not really on my good side either. I had an arch nemesis for awhile, but then he confronted me and said that he thinks I'm cool and he doesn't understand why I act like an asshole to him, so now I think he's so sad that he's not even good enough to be my nemesis.

― Otis Wheeler, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

1) I think I'm happy that I live outside of NYC, because I'd probably end up rubbing at least one of you ILM/E cats the wrong way, and pay dearly for it. I'd probably end up with poo on my head or something equally baaaad. You guys might even stoop so low as to take my CDs - GASP!

2) DG, if I didn't know any better, I'd swear you were talking about an ex of mine. Except she didn't REALLY get into drugs all that much. And I never got to step on her ingrown toenails. But she TOTALLY still wants to be friends after treating me like 15 types of sheeeit for however long I let her, and that annoys me more than any stupid TV commercial ever could.

Ah, but I'm just mad at myself. Guess that makes me my own nemesis (full-time, with benefit package. full medical coverage and 3 weeks' vacation). Oh, the pathos. Oh, the tragedy.

I feel like Bruce Banner.

― David Raposa, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

ARGH, Otis, don't mention his name. He specifically said "NEver mention his name again". I don't know what the consequences would be and quite frankly I think I could take him anyhow, but still, I don't wanna take out a room at the hotel and get a dead rat in my bed or something.

― Ally, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

DG, your nemesis has one of the most punchable faces EVER.

― Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Jasper looks like the guy that followed me and Stephanie to Potion. What's with the evil red eyes, btw? That's awesome.

― Ally, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Hmmm, DG's nemesis looks *SO* bloody familiar, I've probably seen him out a thousand times.

I've had hundreds of arch-nemeses... every time I finally triumph over one, another one sprouts up to take their place. Gosh, I could be a weekly cartoon superhero like G-Force or something- if only I could find the evil planet Spectra that was controlling them all.

The easiest way to destroy a nemesis is to write a nasty, sarccy song about them which reduces their entire life to the status of buffoon, and get your entire audience laughing at them. Usually that destroys their power for ever.

Ex-friends make the best nemeses, definitely. Then you both have all the best ammunition.

― masonic boom, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

dude, yr nemesis goes to queen mary & westfield?????

― gareth, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

i did have a nemesis, well 2, once and i didn't even know. this girl i knew moved to london (i was still in bradford). she married some dude she met on a radio station phone on (fucked, i know) and went off down to london. i was in the area and popped in for 10 minutes. i was there, like 15 minutes tops, and then left to go where i was going.

everything fine, or so i thought. phone call from her from a hospital 3 days later. this husband dude had tried to kill himself. BECAUSE OF ME. what the fuck? i was there 10-15 mins, i didn't do anything. this girl (presumably the bloke too) were really pissed off. i haven't spoken to her since, and i never found what the fuck that was all about...

― gareth, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Husband-dude clearly had problems to start with. (evidenced, for a start, by the fact that he would marry someone he met on a radio phone-in thing.) I can't imagine *anything* you could do or say in 15 minutes that would make someone try to kill themself. Unless either A) his wife was clearly in love with you or B) your life was so patently better than his that he felt he could never aspire to such heights of greatness.

What a fucked situation. Truly bizarre.

― masonic boom, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I had, for many years, a personal vendetta against my Oasis-loving cousins who sort-of fancy themselves as the next Toploader (mediocre dadrockers get patted on the back for coming from Sleepy Seaside Town and have a few fluke hits). It's now turned into my completely ignoring them; I don't think they're ever going to make it, but what a humiliation it would be if they fucking did.

I have vendettas against many people I have never met, among them George W. Bush, William Hague, Robin Page, William Rees-Mogg, Jacob Rees-Mogg, Charles Moore, Boris Johnson, Dominic Lawson, Roger Scruton, Richard Littlejohn, Peter Hitchens, Ian Bruce, Oliver Letwin, Adrian Flook, Andrew Rosindell, Bob Dunn, Christopher Chope, Iain Duncan Smith, Ann Widdecombe, Chris Moyles, Neil Hamilton, Christine Hamilton, Gillian Shephard, Virginia Bottomley, John Townend, Christopher Gill, Laurence Robertson, Sir Richard Body, and many, many more.

― Robin Carmody, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Come on Robin, admit it, you've got a vendetta against the entire Conservative party *and* everyone who voted for them. Not that there's anythng wrong with that, of course. I'm copying down all those remarks about Jasper to send to my friend CR, he'll laugh his arse off (he feels the same way I do about the fellow). Last I heard he was at Stirling university, but the bloke who runs the site goes to QM&W, apparently. Kate, you probably have seen him lurking about up London, or you may just be getting him confused with Harold Bishop from Neighbours.

― DG, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Yes, but some more than others. I thought Michael Heseltine came out of the defeat with credit and intelligence and (gasp!) understanding of what Britain is like today intact. But who in their ranks will listen?

Now that the Lib Dems have held Devon West and Torridge and Labour have held Dover, I wonder whether any Tory will even *dare* to mention anger at foot-and-mouth and anti-asylum-seeker sentiment as strengths of their party. If any Tory does, mention the above two results and see how his / her face turns. Or not.

― Robin Carmody, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I like this idea that eventually the majority of Tory voters will just *die off*.

― DG, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I think it's going to happen, you know. It will certainly happen with the core *membership* of the party (what's the average age again? 65 or something?).

― Robin Carmody, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Robin: I secretly quite like Peter Hitchens myself. Not his politics, but the fact that he's a Parker from Thunderbirds lookalike who desperately, pathetically, angrily yearns for a pastoral 50's Englandshire that never existed anyway. And he's getting more and more and more pissed off that the rest of the population wants to *move on*. His brother, Christopher, is his polar opposite. A shambling, perma- dishevelled left winger who picks off his targets - Diana, Mother Therasa, Clinton - with a laser-guided snipers accuracy. Genius. Strange siblings anyhow.

As for a personal nemisis, it seems I have one. Once my freind - TICK! Now has some half-forgotten, obscure vendetta against me - TICK! Now a junkie - TICK! And an all round, good old fashioned twat of the first order - TICK!

Haven't seen him in a dog's age though. Last time I did I found myself sat opposite him on a train. He looked like a fat, bloated, palid, junkie-corpse. He regarded me through half-open, watery eyes with what looked a sneer. But he - and I - said nothing.

I doubt if he's on the triple W though. If he is he's probably hosting www.repugnantwastoid.com Or something.

― DavidM, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Christopher Hitchens is a complete madhead. Clinton is his latest target by the by. I'd hate to get into an argument with him though, he'd make bits of you. I find his slight pro-Bush stance at the mo a bit worrying, though.

― Michael, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

William Hague, Robin Page, William Rees-Mogg, Jacob Rees-Mogg, Charles Moore, Boris Johnson, Dominic Lawson, Roger Scruton, Richard Littlejohn, Peter Hitchens, Ian Bruce, Oliver Letwin, Adrian Flook, Andrew Rosindell, Bob Dunn, Christopher Chope, Iain Duncan Smith, Ann Widdecombe, Chris Moyles, Neil Hamilton, Christine Hamilton, Gillian Shephard, Virginia Bottomley, John Townend, Christopher Gill, Laurence Robertson, Sir Richard Body

Who ?

― Patrick, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I think it's going to happen, you know. [Tory support literally dying off] It will certainly happen with the core *membership* of the party (what's the average age again? 65 or something?). (Robin)

Yes but before that happens they will be forced to reinvent themselves as a more socially liberal, centrist party (as Heseltine said on Thursday night - elections in the UK are won on the centre ground). Admittedly it might take another defeat for them to finally realise this. But even then, don't assume that Labour can automatically expect a third term - they've been fortunate with the state of the economy so far, and have been given the benefit of the doubt on improving public services (arguably an impossibility).

― David, Sunday, 10 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

1: Which will split the party.
2: The more feral element will combine with UKIPpers and the BNP: a small but very nasty far-right party will emerge from the dilution of the now shattered conervative body.
3: Galvanising the currently morose and self-indulgent street-left into present non- purist urgency, splitting off a sector of current New Labour "support" (probably not so noticeable, as this support has been angrily grudging to the point of torpor recently...)
4: A spate of single-issue candidates will also emerge, in the wake of the heartening Kidderminster Hospital triumph: at least some of these will combine with extant activist orgs, since what "amateur" pols always lack is practical experience of organisation. (Some will combine with the LibDems, also...) 5: New Labour's inevitable move towards necessary rock-the-vote strategies, to galvanise youth, will — in the medium-long term — provide an energy injection with results quite dfft to any intended, as let- down follows promise (just as Kennedy's New Frontier went on birth SNCC and the "Movement", then the Yippies, the Panthers, the Motherfuckers and ultimately the Weather Underground...) Nothing kicks like betrayal.

― mark s, Sunday, 10 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Patrick: "Who?"; they're all Tories apart from Chris Moyles who is an obnoxious radio DJ, politics unknown.

― Robin Carmody, Sunday, 10 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Mark: "Which will split the party"; quite possible, certainly too many Tories are too far gone to listen to Heseltine's eminently sensible comments as quoted by David.

"The more feral element will combine ..."; yes, exactly, I predicted this privately a while back. You can begin to imagine a third party (as in several mainland European countries; Austria's Freedom Party was one such to begin with) where the more extreme side of Toryism joins up with UKIP and BNP attitudes. Meanwhile the Heseltine / Clarke wing might join up with ... who? Moderate Labour or the less socialistic Lib Dems? Maybe both; certainly I think there will be more Woodwards, Nicholsons and Temple-Morrises.

"angrily grudging": that's my mother's support for Labour now, and she's voted for them every election these last 35 years. I think you're right that the left-of-Labour movement will get more organised; the Green Party's impressive string of saved deposits (relative to their previous record: hadn't they only saved one deposit and that in the 1989 by-election in Vauxhall?) proves that there *is* a growing counter-movement.

"a spate of single-issue candidates": true, the result of the breakdown in stable, consensual attachment to one particular party (a wholly good thing because it makes voters far less uncritically accepting) itself related to the decline of communitarianism mentioned by David in the other thread. Noticeably the Lib Dems stood aside in Wyre Forest, doubtless aware that Dr Richard Taylor's cause was *symbolically* greater than theirs (they had many other seats to win, he obviously just the one).

"Nothing kicks like betrayal": true, why I think left-of-Labour parties (but not the old Scargillian hardline) will be *the* boom area over the next 4/5 years (and that includes both the Lib Dems and the "fringe" movements).

― Robin Carmody, Sunday, 10 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

DavidM: "(Peter Hitchens) desperately, pathetically, angrily yearns for a pastoral 50s Englandshire that never existed anyway. And he's getting more and more pissed off that the rest of the population wants to move on"; well, obviously, and that's what makes his columns so sad to read in a way (even for someone like me who hates him). I feel very sorry for him in a way, in that he so obviously can't come to terms with anything about the modern world (and is also wracked with guilt about his youthful liberalism).

― Robin Carmody, Sunday, 10 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

six years pass...

lol old ilx

― Dom Passantino, Sunday, 17 June 2007 20:02 (sixteen years ago) link

Yes but before that happens they will be forced to reinvent themselves as a more socially liberal, centrist party (as Heseltine said on Thursday night - elections in the UK are won on the centre ground). Admittedly it might take another defeat for them to finally realise this. But even then, don't assume that Labour can automatically expect a third term - they've been fortunate with the state of the economy so far, and have been given the benefit of the doubt on improving public services (arguably an impossibility).

-- David, Sunday, June 10, 2001 12:00 AM (6 years ago) Bookmark Link

Surely not THE David?

― Ned Trifle II, Sunday, 17 June 2007 20:16 (sixteen years ago) link

Aggressive Cameron is aggressive.

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 17 June 2007 20:18 (sixteen years ago) link

In an attempt to counter that, I could only find the following fella, who 'occasionally plays at left back'. Ladies and gentlemen...

Defensive Cameron is defensive.
http://www.peterheadfc.org.uk/images/profile/0506/dougiecameron.jpg

― Just got offed, Sunday, 17 June 2007 20:28 (sixteen years ago) link

two months pass...

The Sainted Robin Carmody

― Heave Ho, Sunday, 16 September 2007 10:45 (sixteen years ago) link

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