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War poll uncovers fact gap
Many mistakenly believe U.S. found WMDs in Iraq.
By Frank Davies
Inquirer Washington Bureau

WASHINGTON - A third of the American public believes U.S. forces have
found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, according to a recent poll.
Twenty-two percent said Iraq actually used chemical or biological
weapons.

But such weapons have not been found in Iraq and were not used.

Before the war, half of those polled in a survey said Iraqis were
among the 19 hijackers on Sept. 11, 2001. But most of the Sept. 11
terrorists were Saudis; none was an Iraqi.

The results startled even the pollsters who conducted and analyzed the
surveys. How could so many people be so wrong about information that
has dominated news coverage for almost two years?

"It's a striking finding," said Steve Kull, director of the Program on
International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland, which
asked the weapons questions during a May 14-18 poll of 1,256
respondents.

He added: "Given the intensive news coverage and high levels of public
attention, this level of misinformation suggests some Americans may be
avoiding having an experience of cognitive dissonance."

That is, of having their beliefs conflict with the facts. Kull noted
that the mistaken belief that weapons had been found "is substantially
greater among those who favored the war."

Pollsters and political analysts offer several reasons for the gaps
between facts and beliefs: the public's short attention span on
foreign news, fragmentary or conflicting media reports that lacked
depth or skepticism, and Bush administration efforts to sell a war by
oversimplifying the threat.

"Most people get little whiffs and fragments of news, not in any
organized way," said Thomas Mann, a scholar at the Brookings
Institution, a centrist-liberal think tank. "And there have been a lot
of conflicting reports on the weapons."

Before the war, the U.S. media often reported as a fact the assertions
by the Bush administration that Iraq possessed large stockpiles of
illegal weapons.

During and after the war, reports of possible weapons discoveries were
often trumpeted on front pages, while follow-up stories debunking the
reports received less attention.

"There were so many reports and claims before the war, it was easy to
be confused," said Larry Hugick, chairman of Princeton Survey Research
Associates. "But people expected the worst from Saddam Hussein and
made connections based on the administration's policy."

Bush has described the preemptive attack on Iraq as "one victory in
the war on terror that began Sept. 11." Bush officials also say Iraq
sheltered and helped al-Qaeda operatives.

"The public is susceptible to manipulation, and if they hear officials
saying there is a strong connection between Iraq and al-Qaeda
terrorists, then they think there must be a connection," Mann said.

"Tapping into the feelings and fears after Sept. 11 is a way to sell a
policy," he added.

Polls show strong support for Bush and the war, although 40 percent in
the May survey found U.S. officials were "misleading" in some of their
justifications for war. A majority, 55 percent, said they were not
misleading.

Several analysts said the murky claims and intelligence data about
lethal weapons and terrorist ties allowed most people to see such news
through the filter of their own political beliefs.

And GOP pollsters said any controversy over weapons won't change
public attitudes, because ridding Iraq of an oppressive regime was
reason enough for war for many Americans.

"People supported the war for national-security reasons, and that
shifted to humanitarian reasons when they saw evidence of Saddam's
atrocities," Republican strategist Frank Luntz said. "There's an
assumption these weapons will be found because this guy was doing so
many bad things."

Several analysts said they were troubled by the lack of knowledge
about the Sept. 11 hijackers, shown in the January survey conducted
for Knight Ridder newspapers. Only 17 percent correctly said that none
of the hijackers was Iraqi.

"That really bothers me, because it shows a lack of understanding
about other countries - that maybe many Americans don't know one Arab
from another," said Sam Popkin, a polling expert at the University of
California-San Diego who has advised Democratic candidates. "Maybe
because Saudis are seen as rich and friendly, people have a hard time
dealing with them as hijackers."

Hugick said his analysis showed those who were misinformed were not
necessarily those who had less education.

"I think a lot of people are just confused about the threats out
there," he said.
_________________________________________________________________

Contact reporter Frank Davies at 202-383-6054 or
[email protected].

Jon Williams (ex machina), Thursday, 19 June 2003 12:13 (twenty-two years ago)

People are stupid SHOCKAH

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 19 June 2003 12:21 (twenty-two years ago)

"if you're not mad you're not paying attention...paying attention..."

(Dan Perry's x-post just made me laugh water out my EYE)

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 19 June 2003 12:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm going to save this for the next time someone here is critical of statement about the stupidity of the public at large.

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 19 June 2003 12:32 (twenty-two years ago)

But like I said on the ILM manufactured pop thread, public ignorance (and this is ignorance + apathy mostly, not stupidity) doesn't matter in a lot of areas, whereas in politics it does - or can.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 19 June 2003 12:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Didn't all the Sept 11 hijackers come from the three Middle Eastern countries. You know the ones. Right?

Pete (Pete), Thursday, 19 June 2003 12:39 (twenty-two years ago)

"I think a lot of people are just confused about the threats out
there"

The presence of the word 'just' implies that 'being confused'(ie gross stupidity) is just an understandable fault, can happen to anybody, whole populations even. If you're American and 'confused' then as far as most of the world is concerned you're a fuckin' criminal

dave q, Thursday, 19 June 2003 12:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Various polls also say that anywhere from 40 to 50 percent of Americans don't "believe" in evolution. I have no idea how evolution feels about this; I suspect it doesn't care much either way. Point is, this is not a population that lives very much in the actual world. In America-world, anything can happen and anything can be true. It's a magical place.

JesseFox (JesseFox), Thursday, 19 June 2003 12:53 (twenty-two years ago)

there's no reason for people in Middle America to take much of an interest in whats going on in Iraq, other than dumb patriotism...is there?

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 19 June 2003 12:54 (twenty-two years ago)

a feeling of responsibility when their government kill civilians in their name?

angela (angela), Thursday, 19 June 2003 12:58 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/palmbeach/sfl-pmellor14jun14,0,1048922.story?coll=sfla-news-palm

Jon Williams (ex machina), Thursday, 19 June 2003 13:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Blueski, I'll thank you to leave off with the Middle America generalisations. People all over the US watch LCD news programming and don't even get a look at their badly written local newspaper, much less the NY Times. Something gets repeated enough by people in a position of power, and there's a sizeable percentage of the population EVERYWHERE that take it as truthful.

suzy (suzy), Thursday, 19 June 2003 13:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Why aren't more Americans moving to France if they're that pissed off? (I don't mean in a 'love it or leave it' way, I mean like in earlier times when they moved after getting blacklisted etc)

dave q, Thursday, 19 June 2003 13:07 (twenty-two years ago)

a feeling of responsibility when their government kill civilians in their name?

These are european values. We can't expect people in other countries to share them.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 19 June 2003 13:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Argh, I hate polls. Do they ever accomplish anything other than making the party questioned look totally stupid?

Mandee, Thursday, 19 June 2003 13:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Dave: because there isn't de facto blacklisting (yet) in the US this time around.

suzy (suzy), Thursday, 19 June 2003 13:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Depending on what you've been suspected of doing

dave q, Thursday, 19 June 2003 13:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Americans play very close attention to the media, why just last night I watched a terrific Cubs game

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 19 June 2003 13:36 (twenty-two years ago)

(having read the story J-Dub linked to...)

DAYAMN!!!!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 19 June 2003 13:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Interesting - there's this persistent one-third of the population that is strongly Bush-apologist. Every time I see a poll about anything, there's always that one third.

Kerry (dymaxia), Thursday, 19 June 2003 13:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe they're replicants. < /I'm not sure if this is sarcasm or not>

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 19 June 2003 13:40 (twenty-two years ago)

The front page on Salon has a lot about this, and a lot of reasons:

1) People don't care enough to seek this stuff out.

2) People don't care enough when they find them: Saddam's still gone.

3) People didn't trust Bush in the first place (and didn't care).

4) People are high on vicarious "good vs evil" buzz, tend to shy away from stuff that might disrupt that.

5) People are tired of democracy. The government knows what it knows and acts as it will act. Time spent scrutinizing it is time wasted, and there's never enough time in the modern world.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 19 June 2003 13:42 (twenty-two years ago)

'vicariousness' of 'good vs evil' struggle in daily life - discuss

dave q, Thursday, 19 June 2003 13:45 (twenty-two years ago)

dave q, how easy is it to simply move to France? It doesn't sound very practical. I know someone whose mother and brother are there, waiting to see how things turn out in the War on Iraq/War on Terror, etc., to avoid the brother's being drafted if it gets to that point (which seems kind of unlikely to me, personally). The mother is originally from France though, so there's an obvious advantage.

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 19 June 2003 13:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Blueski, I'll thank you to leave off with the Middle America generalisations.

only used that term because for whatever reason you would expect a stronger level of concern AND understanding of the situation in the coastal cities (New York, LA especially) being as they are more 'desirable' targets for terrorist reprisals. i know thats another generalisation but hopefully you understand what i mean.

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 19 June 2003 13:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Blueski that generalization is horseshit and we just finished dismissing it on the trucker hat thread, just back away from the big-city-people-more-likely-to-be-clued-in bidness thanx

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 19 June 2003 13:56 (twenty-two years ago)

stronger level of concern AND understanding of the situation in the coastal cities

I mean really...please.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 19 June 2003 13:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Am I nuts, or is LA not an attractive terror target? This "Middle America" biz fails to take into account the emerging People's Republic of Illinois. ;)

Kerry (dymaxia), Thursday, 19 June 2003 14:00 (twenty-two years ago)

This article, or at least its headline (which is all I bothered to read), is irrefutable proof that we did the right thing in Vietnam, er, Iraq.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 19 June 2003 14:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I always thought the notions of middle England and Middle America were non-geographical (and uselessly vague too).

Pete (Pete), Thursday, 19 June 2003 14:07 (twenty-two years ago)

This "Middle America" biz fails to take into account the emerging People's Republic of Illinois.

And also that any attacking entity with half a brain would attack our food supply, not our playgrounds

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 19 June 2003 14:11 (twenty-two years ago)

A concerted effort to remove all the eggs in the country from refrigerators for example would criple the nation.

Pete (Pete), Thursday, 19 June 2003 14:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Dave Q: the benefits of the "good vs evil" struggle are maybe best felt vicariously: easier to get a good buzz off toppling a statue if you haven't had to shoot some poor fucker in the head first. Though technology is working on this..

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 19 June 2003 14:15 (twenty-two years ago)

So watching TV is the pinnacle of most ppl's experience?

dave q, Thursday, 19 June 2003 14:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I live in Middle Canada, and jingosim aside (today is Regina's 100th Birthday, Prince Edward is here, the Ringo of the Royals), and we are actually the communications centre of the country. Fibre-optics were developed here and a lot of other very important innovations have happened here.
As well, Regina is one of the most "plugged-in" places in Canada. There are two games in town: football and politics, and our football team really sucks.
A disproportionate amount of Canada's best thinkers, politicians, journalists and stars of the Naked Gun film series come from Middle Canada.
I don't know what Middle America is like, but it's probably nowhere near as self-obsessed as the Major Major Centres.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 19 June 2003 14:20 (twenty-two years ago)

And also that any attacking entity with half a brain would attack our food supply, not our playgrounds

but they didnt


still i know my generalisation is wrong, but thats because the stereotype that does exist is wrong. to be honest living in the tiny UK it can often be a struggle to comprehend just how patriotism and information distribution/access works in the States as geography goes out the window with a country that size. this ties in with what i was originally trying to say which was that why should people in Kansas be anymore informed than people in Canada or Mexico just because they are in the same country and ARE American (after all things are considered)? but as i say i do recognise that geography has no bearing.

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 19 June 2003 14:22 (twenty-two years ago)

In America-world, anything can happen and anything can be true. It's a magical place.

Just ignore the men behind the curtain.

j.lu (j.lu), Thursday, 19 June 2003 14:31 (twenty-two years ago)

the idea that people don't have access to the news outside of large cities is horseshit. I was in a small mountain town in Utah last week and was able to buy copies of the NY Times national edition (as well as USA Today and the Wall Street Journal) and could watch several cable TV channels. Also, there's this little thing called the internet....

hstencil, Thursday, 19 June 2003 14:32 (twenty-two years ago)

i never said that people outside of large cities in the States dont have access to the news, i merely entertained the possibility out loud that there may not be any real motivation for them to pursue the subject to the point where they would realise that a) there were no Iraqis among the 9/11 terrorists or b) that WOMD have yet to be found in Iraq, one of the main reasons for that being they're probably 'safer' where they are than certain other areas of the same country. dubious reasoning perhaps, but not entirely untrue.

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 19 June 2003 14:40 (twenty-two years ago)

You're right, people can go buy the NY Times everywhere but THEY CHOOSE NOT TO, because they get all their news on prolefeed at home.

However if I have to listen again to my mom talk about the Mall of America being the third most opportune terrorist target in the country I'm a gonna hurl.

suzy (suzy), Thursday, 19 June 2003 14:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Y'know, though, I think that the Twin Cities will get targeted long before the Oscar Ceremonies.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 19 June 2003 14:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the geographical aspect is irrelevent, Steve - planes crashing into world-famous buildings and killing thousands, and the identity of the people flying them, is big news wherever you are, just as ignorant fuckers are ignorant fuckers wherever they are.

I also wonder what percentage of Brits would be able to identify the nationalities of the 9/11 hijackers.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 19 June 2003 14:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not gonna make any generalizations about whether people choose not to buy the NY Times, but it seems to me that if it's available everywhere, there's a SLIGHT CHANCE that people may be buying it! I mean, no company, esp. a media company with rather slim margins, is gonna spend that much money to get the product in so many areas without thinking it will sell. Why would they bother?

hstencil, Thursday, 19 June 2003 14:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Based on the people in my office, who I use as my sample population of average Americans, it seems like they have access to all the news, and even watch it, but seem not to absorb something if it's contrary to the idea that they already have. 6-12-24 months ago, the media (ie, Fox News) and the Bush administration was pushing the Iraq/9-11 connection and the existence of WOMD in Iraq. My coworkers seem to have absorbed that to the extent that even if the media now says the opposite is true, they just can't accept it. I don't know if this is some kind of cognitive dissonance (eg, they can't process the implications of the war on Iraq without them having WOMD) or willful ignorance or some combination.

NA. (Nick A.), Thursday, 19 June 2003 14:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Speaking of America

dleone (dleone), Thursday, 19 June 2003 15:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, the NY Times is not the gold standard

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 19 June 2003 15:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Short Shameful Confession: Although I knew the majority of hijackers were Saudis, there's a fifty-fifty chance that I'd have guessed one of them was Iraqi.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 19 June 2003 15:23 (twenty-two years ago)

i know alot of ilm'ers are in ny. and i was just wondering if any of you are, like, pissed off as hell that bush used 9/11 to justify an invasion that had nothing to do with it¿

dyson (dyson), Thursday, 19 June 2003 17:05 (twenty-two years ago)

and how does their annoyance at that compare with the annoyance of people outside the US?

on BBC2 last night there was a Storyville documentary presented by a young American journalist who followed Bush around the States during his campaign for the Presidency. interesting stuff. the whole 'insane media circus' thing was right there, Bush himself came across as not particularly hateful, not particularly anything - of course this was from 2000 when the big controversy was about Bush's drink-driving issue...most of the footage presented was taken from planes whizzing around the country. it did seem like a different time. not a great deal of time was devoted to the farcical outcome of the election but the overall tone of the piece, and the documented opinions of Bush's own team were that either he was not going to win, or that he SHOULD not win. i continue to be fascinated by that whole situation.

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 19 June 2003 19:48 (twenty-two years ago)


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