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Being held in Ireland this year, Olympics for those with learning diffculties. Started in America in 1968.

Please, they can't still call it the 'special' Olymics can they? I know Olympics For Those With Learning Difficulties isn't very snappy, but 'special'? Not at all patronising, oh no.

Anna (Anna), Friday, 20 June 2003 10:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Is the Special Olympics the thing that led to the change in meaning of "special"?

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 20 June 2003 10:31 (twenty-two years ago)

It certainly doesnt seem a very 'PC' term for it no!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 20 June 2003 10:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha, I was going to say exactly the same thing as Anna when I saw this thread!

At what point did they stop being called the Paralympics?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 20 June 2003 10:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Best Special Olympics story is the one about the Spanish basketball team, apparently they had to hand back their gold medal because somebody found out that they cheated in that none of them were actually retarded and they were just acting like they were

dave q, Friday, 20 June 2003 11:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I often wonder whether that happens.

DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 20 June 2003 11:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha, what a great story!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 20 June 2003 11:10 (twenty-two years ago)

no, the Paralympics is a separate event, shurely, for the physically disabled.

Theoretically, there shouldn't be a need for separate sporting events for ppl with learning difficulties, should there? Having learning difficulties shouldn't prevent you from running as fast or jumping as high as someone who does not have the disability (unlike a physical disability, where the differences are obvious).

MarkH (MarkH), Friday, 20 June 2003 11:10 (twenty-two years ago)

>Theoretically, there shouldn't be a need for separate sporting events for ppl with learning difficulties, should there?

Even something as simple as running has technique to it which retards (which at one point was considered the "nice" word for them, but fuck it, all euphemisms for stupidity are doomed to failure) have trouble mastering.

fletrejet, Friday, 20 June 2003 12:01 (twenty-two years ago)

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rosemary (rosemary), Friday, 20 June 2003 16:06 (twenty-two years ago)

it is really really patronising
and the irish government weren't going to let the chinese team into the country cause of sars even though diplomats and so forth were coming and going
not sure how that was resolved though,they possibly backed down

robin (robin), Friday, 20 June 2003 16:45 (twenty-two years ago)

If any of you had ever worked with special olympians, you'd know 1) whatever you call 'em is fine by them and 2) the event is truly wonderful because the participants love what they're doing so so much, and hearing them tell their stories of the day they finished the 5-k run or what have you is enough to melt the coldest heart.. It's not "learning disabilities," though, it's people with severe developmental disabilities, many of which come with a whole host of other physical difficulties, often originating at the same level as their disability i.e. biologically.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 20 June 2003 17:13 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah i suppose it is unfair to judge the event on the media attention/organisers etc rather than the event itself,its just that the irish media/public is quite patronising at the best of times,and there's a lot of "ah,bless"-ing going on at the moment...

robin (robin), Friday, 20 June 2003 17:39 (twenty-two years ago)

It's called the Special Olympics because the people who take part are *special* and don't get ‘patronising’. The number of people wailing and hugging strangers in Ballsbridge yesterday nearly brought me to the edge of despair. and the dribbling on the bus on the way home this evening was beyond putting up with.

When do these games start then? Arf arf....

Lara (Lara), Friday, 20 June 2003 19:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Goddness me - I don't know if this anecdote belongs here or on the Richard Dean Anderson thread but here goes.

Some years ago my mother was teaching at a special school for the severely mentally challenged (was that PC enough?). One of her students was a young woman about 22 years of age who bore a strange resemblance to Andre the Giant - very tall and very large and sweet-natured and always in an exhuberant mood.

Well, the National Special Olympics were held in L.A. that year and my mother took some of the students down to complete. There were the usually celebrity spokes-people at the event, including Richard Dean Anderson. At that time, MacGyver was *really* big. What my mother did n't know was that her student was a big fan of the show. When she saw RDA standing at a podium, giving some speech, she jumped from her seat in the bleaches and trucked down the stairs and out onto the field, where she lept up onto the dias, wrapped her arms around RDA, and spun around with him in his arms. Priceless. I'll have to go look for those photos.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Friday, 20 June 2003 20:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I know nothing about these really, but the Paralympics is entirely separate - my last-but-one girlfriend hopes to make the next Paralympics. She is currently ranked #1 in England in her wheelchair class at table tennis - we played together some, as I was good at that too.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 21 June 2003 16:47 (twenty-two years ago)

today I heard "if you're going to label them anything, label them able" yeah! and while you're at it turn those frowns upside down.

Does anyone know any would be athletes who resent the existence of the Special Olympics? Is this the root of the Spanish team episode which Dave Q refers to?

I wouldn't watch the other olympics and I won't be watching this. The front cover of the Irish phonebook has a picture of a girl with down syndrome paddling a canoe with the ultra patronising caption "IT'S GOING TO TAKE A VERY SPECIAL EFFORT".

I suspect to some extent though that this is a total minefield and it's impossible not to sound patronising.


Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 21 June 2003 16:57 (twenty-two years ago)

If you ever get sick of sentimental crap about retarded people, just head over to:

http://www.tardblog.com/

fletrejet, Saturday, 21 June 2003 20:58 (twenty-two years ago)

In an unlikely sequence of events, I found myself in the audience of the opening ceremony of the special olympics.

I am still processing these events and so have no insightful comments to make at this stage, apart from noticing that the Corrs have a great appeal to those with an intellectual disability.

DV (dirtyvicar), Saturday, 21 June 2003 22:18 (twenty-two years ago)

On the whole I think I can say I find that tardblog site pretty sad.

Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 22 June 2003 15:27 (twenty-two years ago)

OK, I have decided that I approve of the Special Olympics. Obviously like all sporting endeavour they are a bit pointless, but the Special Olympics seem to exist primarily for the amusement and entertainment of the athletes themselves, which is fundamentally a good thing.

DV (dirtyvicar), Sunday, 22 June 2003 17:24 (twenty-two years ago)

apart from noticing that the Corrs have a great appeal to those with an intellectual disability.

This is not something we did not already know...

Lara (Lara), Sunday, 22 June 2003 19:40 (twenty-two years ago)

that tardblog site is terrible!

"And then I noticed one of my tards was writing with his pencil the wrong way around."

it's more boring than offensive.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Sunday, 22 June 2003 21:51 (twenty-two years ago)

We're talking about the Corrs again?

Lara (Lara), Sunday, 22 June 2003 21:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Are you guys like actively trying to be dickheads? I find it hysterical that ridiculing the mentally/physically handicapped has gone totally unnoticed because of the vegetarian obsession with screaming at meat-eaters going on round here recently. But trust me, they'll find you handicapped-baiters eventually!

Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 22 June 2003 22:07 (twenty-two years ago)

ally is OTM.

unfortunately these games have highlighted the fact that in ireland it is still OK to laugh at disabled people. or worse, to assume that you know what is "patronizing" to them and what isn't (j0hn is also OTM here). in what way exactly are these games patronizing? is it less patronizing *not* to have any event at which these athletes can excel on their own terms and just shove them in a room somewhere? is the *real* problem that you'd rather disabled people kept out of sight so you wouldn't have to deal with your feelings towards them?

rener (rener), Monday, 23 June 2003 10:41 (twenty-two years ago)

i think people were more complaining about the patronising tone of the media coverage, rather than making fun of the games or the athletes themselves. (maybe the problem being that the any press commentary on the games doesn't treat it like a serious athletic event - it's more "it's great to see them all enjoying themselves", rather than "who is going to perform well at the games?") you might say that's a good thing, but maybe people are taking objection to the fact that it's not treated the same as the Olympics or the World Cup. (of course, this isn't a reason why the games themselves are a bad thing - i personally feel they are a great thing, but you can object to the way the press treat it, without objecting to the games themselves)

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 23 June 2003 10:53 (twenty-two years ago)

The paralympics has become so convoluted now that there are so many different classes it makes understanding it difficult - the level playing field mentality means that perhaps rightly they have a number of classes of CP athletes, or amputees below and above the knee. I'm trying to remember if there are any sports that a disabled participant would be better than an able bodied one (there are plenty where a certain disability would make no difference). I have a feeling there are some swimming things going on here.

One of the reasons the Spanish basketball trhing occured was due to wheelchair basketball being a very good way to improve the socialisation and general skills of those who are temporarily paralysed (for whatever reason). If you get really good at it, and then you get "cured", then why should you be banned playing it (would we ban a no armed man from playing football? Well there aren't any are there?)

Pete (Pete), Monday, 23 June 2003 11:02 (twenty-two years ago)

"If you get really good at it, and then you get "cured", then why should you be banned playing it (would we ban a no armed man from playing football?"

the answer is in the question (he got cured). it wouldn't be a "level playing field" as some of the competitors would have a physical advantage over their opponents (going against the whole motivation behind having a special olympics in the first place, surely?) i'm not sure where the "banning a no-armed man playing football" comparison fits in with this.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 23 June 2003 11:23 (twenty-two years ago)

In what way does a person who can walk have an advantage over the other players in a wheelchair basketball game where it is in the rules that all players must remain in their wheelchair? ie The fact that he can walk makes no difference to the actualy game.

Say wheelchair shooting...

Pete (Pete), Monday, 23 June 2003 11:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I agree w/ally, rener & john d.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 23 June 2003 11:39 (twenty-two years ago)

(When i say wheelchair shooting, I don't mean shopoting wheelchairs, I mean the sport of target pistol shooting would not be massively different for an able bodied or mobility impared person).

Pete (Pete), Monday, 23 June 2003 11:48 (twenty-two years ago)

There is a one-armed man who plays football in the Romanian lower leagues. I read about him in some magazine or other.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 23 June 2003 11:52 (twenty-two years ago)

>The fact that he can walk makes no difference to the actualy game.

A non-disabled person in a wheelchair would have at least a slight advantage over a disabled person in a wheelchair because half his body wouldn't be just dead weight, and he could use his legs for balance and so forth.

>Say wheelchair shooting...

I don't know the rules of olympic shooting, but body position makes a huge difference in accuracy. The most accurate postition to shoot a rifle is lying down, for example.

fletrejet, Monday, 23 June 2003 11:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I believe they have their legs strapped down in Wheelchair BB (for safety reasosn). Not sure therefore if there is any advantage.

Alternatively how about any wheelchair races, 100 metres to marathon. (I'll grant you a possible difference in shooting, possible). Equally I can't think of any reason why a deaf person couldnt compete as normal in any major athletics event.

Pete (Pete), Monday, 23 June 2003 12:05 (twenty-two years ago)

The wheelchair classes (five I think) are set up depending on overall mobility, from people who can actually walk a bit but not enough to do without the wheelchair, to people who have limited upper body mobility and none in their lower body. This means there aren't advantages within the classes, and I guess an able-bodied person strapped in would have no real edge over that first-mentioned class.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 23 June 2003 16:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I can just imagine the plot of some whacked out Disney sports movie about a kid whose Mum ran a wheelchair basketball camp and got really good at it and then had to fight the man to be allowed to play in the paralympics.

I would imagine Frankie Muniz would play the kid.

Pete (Pete), Monday, 23 June 2003 16:58 (twenty-two years ago)

"Equally I can't think of any reason why a deaf person couldnt compete as normal in any major athletics event."

Isn't balance supposed to be hugely affected by a total loss of hearing? or so i've been told. maybe there is a case for people who temprarily lost the use of their legs (but have since recovered) to still be able to compete, but it seems a little unfair that a fully healthy, perfectly functioning person would want to take part in the special olympics.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 23 June 2003 18:00 (twenty-two years ago)

i.e. most people who play wheelchair basketball are doing so because they are physically unable to play it standing up, so i think it's fair that places in the special olympics/paralympics are reserved for people who have no / (very limited) use of their legs.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 23 June 2003 18:15 (twenty-two years ago)

killian is otm (in his post upthread)-a lot of people seem to be missing the point
no one is criticizing the idea of the games themselves,its the media/public reaction
the people on this thread who have described the games as patronising or whatever all live in ireland,and we can see the "ah sure its great,gives them something to do,good to see them enjoying themselves" atttitude which is ubiquitous in the media and among most people as well...
the games are a good idea,although i have no interest in them whatsoever,i'm glad they go ahead in the same way i'm glad loads of old people enjoy gardening-i'm not going to pretend to care and it would piss me off if i constantly had to listen to people going on about how great it was that gardening gave the old dears a chance to get out of the house....

robin (robin), Monday, 23 June 2003 18:23 (twenty-two years ago)

"constantly"

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 23 June 2003 18:52 (twenty-two years ago)

'it's ok for the disabled to exist, as long as I don't have to be made aware of their existence'

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 23 June 2003 18:53 (twenty-two years ago)

'why do they have to rub our faces in it' vs. 'we ______, we here, get used to it'

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 23 June 2003 18:53 (twenty-two years ago)

james -

no-one was objecting to "being made aware of" the existence of the disabled. people are complaining about the tone of the media coverage: it's treating the games more like kids playing football in the schoolyard than a serious sporting event. prior to wimbledon, people talk about who will be expecting to perform well, and who's in good form at the moment. prior to the special olympics, the coverage seems to take the "everyone's a winner! it's great to see them enjoying themselves!" line. no-one is suggesting that the games are a bad thing, or that they be abolished because of this - just that it should be treated more like a serious sporting event.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 23 June 2003 23:56 (twenty-two years ago)

'the coverage seems to take the "everyone's a winner! it's great to see them enjoying themselves!" line.' vs. it should be treated more like a serious sporting event.

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 23 June 2003 23:59 (twenty-two years ago)

ie. the media actually understanding the point of special olympics vs. whining about 'constantly' having to hear about it (turn on the nightly news and it's 'special olympics this' and 'special olympics that'. why do the concerns of the disabled receive so much coverage?)

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 00:03 (twenty-two years ago)

james - i'm not complaining about ('constantly') having to hear about the games - just that it's not being treated as seriously as other major sporting events. is it really so hard to see why that might be patronising?

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 00:23 (twenty-two years ago)

define what being 'treated seriously' means for starters. how is the media coverage of the special olympics at odds with the intentions of the special olympics?

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 00:26 (twenty-two years ago)

should they sarcastically predict winners? 'who you got in the third race?' 'I have a hunch it's gonna be everybody, everybody'll win'

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 00:27 (twenty-two years ago)

is it 'patronising' when charity walks aren't 'treated as seriously' as track and field events? is it 'patronising' to recognize they have different goals?

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 00:28 (twenty-two years ago)

treated seriously - as in acknowledging that people competing in the special olympics are athletes as committed to winning/performing well as anyone at the world cup/wimbledon/olympics. prior to any of those tournaments, no-one would suggest that they will be a magical experience for all involved - many will go home bitterly disappointed that they didn't do better - and it's the same with the special olympics. to me, it's patronising to treat it otherwise.

"how is the media coverage of the special olympics at odds with the intentions of the special olympics?"

i said that the coverage of the special olympics contrasted with the coverage of other sporting events in a way that might appear patronising. i don't recall saying that it contrasted with "the intentions of the special olympics".

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 00:42 (twenty-two years ago)

"is it 'patronising' when charity walks aren't 'treated as seriously' as track and field events?"

haha! "c'mon kilian! we all know these events are as unimportant as charity walks! Why scrutinise?"

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 00:46 (twenty-two years ago)

coverage of charity walks, etc. acknowledges that the primary intention of said event isn't to foster competition (unlike with traditional sporting events). how is this different from special olympics?

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 00:52 (twenty-two years ago)

yes, james! disabled people shouldn't care about "competition" the way people do at other sporting events! they should just be happy that we've given them their own games to compete at!

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 00:55 (twenty-two years ago)

so you're saying the point of special olympics = the point of the nba finals or the summer games or even the world cup?

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 00:56 (twenty-two years ago)

intrinsic value of a job well done vs. coming in first

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 00:57 (twenty-two years ago)

"so you're saying the point of special olympics = the point of the nba finals or the summer games or even the world cup?"

yes! no-one should take the special olympics as seriously as tournaments where people have full use of their limbs! let's not let them get ideas above their station!

*head explodes*

it really is time for bed...

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 01:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not sure I agree that the point of the special olympics (as distinguished from the paralympics) is the same as that world cup. Are we really trying to find who is the fastest sprinter with say Downs Syndrome - or is it more of a celebration of how fun sport is and how sport is indeed for all. (This used to be a theme when sports were amateur).

I remember when sport was fun.

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 09:08 (twenty-two years ago)

1) The sports commentator on RTE this morning read through the results of the Special Olympics events that took place yesterday, and he treated them just like he would any other list of sports results. In fact if I hadn't recognised the name of one of the swimmers on the Irish team I wouldn't have copped what events he was talking about. Similar coverage can be seen in today's Irish Times. So to say that "the media" is treating the games differently to any other sporting event is demonstrably wrong.

2) The Special Olympics are not about abstract ideas of perfection in sport/physical culture the way the World Cup or the Olympics are, so to expect the media to focus on individual athletes and their physical form/ability, in the way some posters here suggest would bring the games in line with what they deem to be "serious" sporting events, is missing the point somewhat.

treated seriously - as in acknowledging that people competing in the special olympics are athletes as committed to winning/performing well as anyone at the world cup/wimbledon/olympics.

Kilian, where is this not being acknowledged? Living in Dublin I'm getting much the same media feed as you, and I have seen no evidence of this so far -- see point 1) above.

rener (rener), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 10:01 (twenty-two years ago)

"Are we really trying to find who is the fastest sprinter with say Downs Syndrome - or is it more of a celebration of how fun sport is and how sport is indeed for all."

Pete - the athletes in the special olympics are being put in competition against each other in the same way they would be at any other sporting event (under similarly strict rules and guidelines). i don't see why special olympians should care less about actually winning than the other Olympians. the notion that you can dictate how seriously disabled people should be taking their sport is just so...patently...ridiculous. if a lot of special olympians go into the competition with an "everyone is a winner" attitude that is great, and it is their entitlement, but there seems to be a feeling on this thread that anyone acknowledging the fact that a lot of the athletes may be committed to winning/performing well, are being malicious about the tournament itself.

i'm not for a minute suggesting that the fun should be sucked out of the special olympics - or even that the special olympians *should* be taking their sport very seriously.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 10:30 (twenty-two years ago)

yes! no-one should take the special olympics as seriously as tournaments where people have full use of their limbs! let's not let them get ideas above their station!

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 18:11 (twenty-two years ago)

being treated as seriously as something /= being treated the same as something. the goals of the special olympics are different than the goals of traditional sporting events. acknowledging this isn't patronizing, pretending otherwise is.

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 18:13 (twenty-two years ago)

(Ever watch people debate something and think to yourself, "I DESPAIR IN THE SCREAMING SELF-RIGHTEOUS IDIOCY OF MANKIND"?)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 18:27 (twenty-two years ago)

but what if the people are enjoying it, dan? (in their own special way, i mean?)

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 18:31 (twenty-two years ago)

*awkward rimshot*

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 18:36 (twenty-two years ago)

arguing on the net is like being IN the Special Olympics!

dave q, Tuesday, 24 June 2003 19:11 (twenty-two years ago)

like most of fallen humanity, I know a great joke...

g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 19:22 (twenty-two years ago)


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