Is Bush the Most Dangerous Thing to hit America since Socialism?

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I gotta say this John Edwards speech is the first thing I've seen that makes the preseason hype not seem wildly off the mark.

James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 20 June 2003 22:27 (twenty-two years ago)

combine this with Hillary on Letterman the other night and I think if the Dems can stay on message they can beat him, and at the very least take back Congress.

James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 20 June 2003 22:29 (twenty-two years ago)

The most dangerous you say?

http://www.funone.com/2001/rm/awards/duh.jpg

N. Ron, Friday, 20 June 2003 22:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Jesus he uses Reagan against him!

James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 20 June 2003 22:33 (twenty-two years ago)

We can overcome the worst job market for people seeking work since the Depression, but not an economic theory that says work doesn’t matter.

hmmm...6% employment is the worst since the depression?

It’s time to stop emboldening entrenched interests and start empowering regular people.

do i qualify as a regular person?

Over $3 trillion in stock market value lost. A $5.6 trillion budget surplus gone, and nearly $5 trillion of red ink in its place.

stock loss can be attributed to robert rubin's bubble collapsing and the investigation of microsoft. the surprlus was imaginary, govt's shouldn't run surpluses but if the economy had not sunk into recession during 2000 and congress had not allocated 872 billion in new discretionary spending since 200 we would be nearer a balanced budget. tax cuts have cost 40 billion so far how does this equal 5 trillion? he's lying, he's talking as if the national debt was eliminated under clinton but it wasn't.

Their economic vision has one goal: to get rid of taxes on unearned income and shift the tax burden onto people who work

nearly fifty percent of the population doesn't pay a cent in income taxes, and the earned income tax credit refunds a good portion of their payroll taxes.

First, we’ll give struggling families a chance to realize the American dream, with a $5,000 tax credit toward the down payment on their first home.

home ownership is at record levels, where does he live? hasn't he heard of the fha, if you have a pulse you qualify for a loan.

For families of teachers, nurses, and police officers who can’t afford to save right now, we’ll cut the capital gains rate in half on gains up to $10,000 held for at least three years. And we’ll allow the vast majority of Americans to get $1,000 in capital gains or $500 in dividends without paying taxes. That will make it much easier for millions of middle-class families to save and invest for college, a new home, retirement, or whatever dream they’re working toward. It also means that millions of Americans will have an easier time filling out their taxes because they can rip up two tax forms.

you see democrats can't help but attach strings to everything, why would they care if i hold my investments for three years? so if the market tanks and i want to cut my losses under their plan i either have to hold until i lose all my profits or pay a confiscatory tax, charming. dividend income is already taxed, he makes no sense he wants corporate responsibility but it is the labyrinth of tax laws that encourages malfeasance, if you reduced corporate taxes int he us(they don't pay anywhere near the 35% rate) they would beg for fewer shelters in congress and not move their headquarters offshore but then congress' power is wrapped up in the tax code so real tax reform is a ridiculous idea. if corporations were forced to attract investors with dividends from real income they would cease with the shenanigans that are so common and were started under clinton.

Under my plan, low- and moderate-income working families will receive a $1 match for every $1 they save, up to $1,000 each year.

this idea he has ripped off from gore and it will bankrupt the treasury.

dud.

i'd rather see dean win. it's funny he's the left equivalent of pat buchanan as far as extremism of his positions go and yet his supporters aren't labeled extremists. why?

keith (keithmcl), Friday, 20 June 2003 23:12 (twenty-two years ago)

stock loss can be attributed to robert rubin's bubble collapsing and the investigation of microsoft.

Rubin's bubble? Hahaha, nice one.

the surprlus was imaginary, govt's shouldn't run surpluses but if the economy had not sunk into recession during 2000 and congress had not allocated 872 billion in new discretionary spending since 200 we would be nearer a balanced budget. tax cuts have cost 40 billion so far how does this equal 5 trillion? he's lying, he's talking as if the national debt was eliminated under clinton but it wasn't.

By your reasoning, if surpluses are "imaginary" and shouldn't be "run" by the government, what about defecits? Are they imaginary too? Should the government run a defecit too? Or is that okay?

hstencil, Friday, 20 June 2003 23:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Since when is socialism dangerous or dean extreme? Last time I checked, only Buchanan was a bigot.

Kerry (dymaxia), Friday, 20 June 2003 23:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Resume
George W. Bush

Past Work Experience:
Ran for congress and lost.
Produced a Hollywood slasher B movie.
Bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas, company went
bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.
Bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using tax-payer money.
Biggest move: Traded Sammy Sosa to the Chicago Cubs.
With fathers help (and his name) was elected Governor of Texas.

Accomplishments as Governor:
Changed pollution laws for power and oil companies and made Texas the most polluted state in the Union.
Replaced Los Angeles with Houston as the most smog ridden city in America.

Cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas government to the tune of billions in borrowed money.
Set record for most executions by any Governor in American history.

Accomplishments as President:
Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.
Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.
Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month
period.
Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.
First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.
First president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.
Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.

First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history.
After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over
the worst security failure in US history.
Set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips than any other
president in US history.
In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job.
Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any
president in US history.

Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period.
Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any
president in US history.
Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any
president since the advent of television.
Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any president in US history.
Presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to
intervene when corruption was revealed.
Presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refuse to use the national reserves as past presidents have.

Dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.
A presidency which is the most secretive and un-accountable of any in US history.
Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (the 'poorest' multi-millionaire, Condoleeza Rice has an Exxon oil tanker named after her).

First president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union
simultaneously go bankrupt.
Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in
any country in the history of the world.

Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of
the United States.
Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in US history.
First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US
from the human rights commission.
First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US
from the elections monitoring board.

Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of
congressional oversight than any presidential
administration in US history.

Withdrew from the World Court of Law.
First president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 US elections).
All-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign
donations.
My biggest life-time campaign contributor presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).

Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US
history.
First president in US history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation
against the will of the United Nations and the world community.

First president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then
lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1) First US president to establish a secret shadow government.

Took the biggest world sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the
biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history). With a policy of
'dis-engagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.

Fist US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe
(71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and
stability.
First US president in history to have the people of South Korea more
threatened by the US than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.

Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government
contracts.
Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.

Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive'.
Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of
our country at the United States Capital building. After 18 months I have no leads and zero suspects.

In the 18 months following the 911 attacks, successfully prevented any
public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States.
Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other
president in US history.
Entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.


Records and References:
At least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available)
AWOL from National Guard and Deserted the military during a time of war.
Refuse to take drug test or even answer any questions about drug use.
All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my fathers library, sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.
All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.

All minutes of meetings for any public corporation I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.
Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding
public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public
review.

For personal references please speak to my daddy or uncle James Baker


Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 21 June 2003 00:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Sometime, I'd like to see a Democrat say "The stock market took a dive - oh, well! That'll really upset the 1% of Americans who own 50% of all stock - but the 80% of you who own a total of 4% really shouldn't give a damn. Why don't we talk about economics that actually matter to people? Who's up for a living wage?"

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 21 June 2003 01:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Just for laughs, I flew the above resume by one of our political reporters (I work at a weekly news magazine). His thoughts...

Well, obviouly it's rather selective, but it's about 1/3 accurate, 1/3 hyperbole, and 1/3 nonsense. And hey, I'm not a fan of W. but attack him with facts.

A few points that are a bit off:
bankrupted the Texas government to the tune of billions in
borrowed money.
-The TX govt didn't go bankrupt until he had left office and the recession arrived, and while he did cut taxes and fail to cut spending, so did every other governor in the union.

First president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.
-Not sure if this is true. Certainly the first DUI president, but Grant was piss drunk 24/7.

Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any president in US history.
-He didn't actually amend the constitution. He may have signed a lot of unconstitutional measures, but the courts have yet to declare them so. And hey, Lincoln suspended Habeas Corpus (not that that's right, but he did).

Presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to
intervene when corruption was revealed.
-Biggest? Carter might argue against that. But it was a crisis and he didn't intervene.

Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (the 'poorest' multi-millionaire, Condoleeza Rice has an Exxon oil tanker named after her).
-Are they rich - yes. But some aren't. And as for Condi's oil tanker - Exxon named it as a tribute. She doesn't own it or anything.

First president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union
simultaneously go bankrupt.
Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world.
-Now this is just silly. First of all, 49 states are facing their biggest fiscal crises since WWII and the Depression. But they haven't gone bankrupt (not sure that's legally possible). Second of all, yes, this was a huge corporate scandal, but the Ponzi schemes of the Great Depression and the S&L and junk bond debacles of the 80s were pretty bad too.

Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of
congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history.
-While he's certainly gone further than any Prez since Watergate, this has gone back and forth in cycles for 200 years. He's not the only Prez to do it.

First US president in history to have the people of South Korea more
threatened by the US than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.
-I think he means feel more threatened. We haven't actually threatened.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 21 June 2003 01:46 (twenty-two years ago)

First president in US history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation
against the will of the United Nations and the world community.
*cough* cept for all the other ones *cough*

James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 21 June 2003 01:55 (twenty-two years ago)

in any case we got plenty o' bush - let's talk john edwards

James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 21 June 2003 01:55 (twenty-two years ago)

he didn't impress me at the last big collective shindig, but his communication skillz have been getting better and better (admittedly on the page) ever since. i'm wondering who's behind that in terms of clinton admin folx, if any. i still say he makes a great veep, but i'm no longer writing him off.

maybe this deserves it's own thread, but i've been trying to come up with slogans/messages in my spare time. if you think they're useful, do you try to pass them to just one candidate? spread them around as much as possible?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 21 June 2003 02:15 (twenty-two years ago)

spread 'em around!

James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 21 June 2003 02:18 (twenty-two years ago)

i'd rather see dean win. it's funny he's the left equivalent of pat buchanan as far as extremism of his positions go

Not to diss the doctor--I think he's great--but ... Dean? Extreme? You must be high. Look at his record and you'll see that he consistently governed Vermont as a pretty moderate Democrat. I've even met a lot of Dean supporters lately who were McCain supporters in 2000. So, intelligent, ballsy, and articulate, yeah; "extreme"-- only if you think anyone to the left of, say, Jack Kemp is extreme ...

Paul Ess, Saturday, 21 June 2003 02:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Dean's very much a moderate, but not in that spineless Clinton/Gore way. I think that's why he's getting a bit of support from the left-wing of the party and people who might have voted Green last time. (That and Dubya turned out to be way worse than expected - we were thinking Bush I and got ReaganfromHell.)

I think a lot of the Gore backlash wasn't from his being too centrist and alienating people on ideology, but from the widespread view that Gore and the DLC people would co-opt any and every Republican position they could find to win a few more center votes.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 21 June 2003 04:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, what I like about Dean is that he's a moderate running from the left -- which is what a Democrat should do during the primary. Shit, during the Republican primaries, the candidates run so far to the right they tip right the hell over. Then they all tack back toward the center leading up to Election Day. It's not rocket science. And yet the Clinton Democrats (or whatever you want to call them) just assume the, let's say, leftist 20 or 25 percent of the population will automatically vote for them because all they have to do is stay marginally to the left of the other guy -- who is, meanwhile, moving ever further right. The hell with that. I don't know if Dean can win the nomination, much less the election. But he's the only one even trying to reenergize the party's roots right now. The other guys are just heaping more manure on us.

And Edwards' comment is a prime example. "Socialism" is dangerous? What does he think public schools and roads and parks and transportation and environmental protection and social security are? I expect the Republicans to be against all that shit and try to kill it (as they are now), but I'll be damned if I'll vote for a Democrat who talks the same talk.

JesseFox (JesseFox), Saturday, 21 June 2003 05:17 (twenty-two years ago)


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