"excuse me sir but WHAT ARE YOU DOING IN MY SHOP?"

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this strikes me as a classic brit thing, where the owner of a shop — generally but NOT ALWAYS a specialist outlet — cops attitude abt the kinds of ppl s/he is prepared to sell his/her wares to

in shrewsbury of yore there was a man ran a model shop — airfix, little soldiers, humbrol paints etc — who disliked boys under the age of abt 25, and would drive the faint-hearted out of his shop with his curtly thunderous t00d

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 12:08 (twenty-two years ago)

your best stories of same plz (also does this occur outside the UK?)

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 12:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm guessing it's more common in the UK but sadly I had this happen a few times when shopping at guitar stores as a teenager. More often it was me dragging some boy into the guitar store ("it'll just be a minute!") and they stand around looking bored while I'm gazing at the gibsons with love in my eyes and of course who do they ask if they want to try one out? ans: not the skinny girl.

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 12:40 (twenty-two years ago)

See: comic book guy.

Andrew (enneff), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 12:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't think of anything specific, but there are always shops that you feel you shouldn't go in, like the above mentioned guitar/musical instrument shop. Or the independent electronic retailer. Or the art supplies shop, if you don't want to buy any art supplies.

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 12:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I always find comic shops quite welcoming.

I always imagine Games Workshop to be the exact opposite of the thread title, it's more like "join us, my precious"

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 12:47 (twenty-two years ago)

any fleamarket on the continent. 'no - no NO DON'T TOUCH ANYTHING IF YOU ARE NOT BUYING IT ...'

which is what i was told whilst browsing through some records. i was not to lift the records out of the crate, i was to read the handwritten labels..

doom-e, Wednesday, 25 June 2003 12:50 (twenty-two years ago)

vinyl record shop in west of London:

me: do you have this on CD?

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 12:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Also see this cockfarmer: http://www.actsofgord.com/Wrath/chapter01.html (actually it is occasionally funny, like the Comic Book Store Guy)

Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 12:56 (twenty-two years ago)

In Barcelona we found a record shop with loads of old first-pressing Stones records for 1-2 euro each. They were so dusty that our fingers turned black after like .00221 seconds handling them. The owner saw what we were doing (we were looking at his records), grumbled at us and shooed us out, and then he rolled down his big corrugated door *kerchunk*

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 13:00 (twenty-two years ago)

? Alan, why the hate for Gord? The man is a genius.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 13:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I tried my best to maintain this attitude throughout the bitter years I worked at ASDA.

j0e (j0e), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 13:38 (twenty-two years ago)

i thought from reading ilm that loads of US record stores were like this

Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 14:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Gord is sometimes a genius

Gord is sometimes a cockfarmer

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 25 June 2003 14:45 (twenty-two years ago)

A lot of specialist record shops are the worst at this. When I've wandered into like specialist hip hop stores I sometimes get very funny looks.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 26 June 2003 11:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Try going into a hardcore goth shop wearing a conservatively flowered dress, long blonde hot rollered hair, while wearing blue tinted emo glasses - then see the welcome you get. Though it mayn't have been anything less than full body latex that would have done. The girl at the counter was sneering at my semi-goth friend for only wearing *gasp* navy blue.

Kim (Kim), Thursday, 26 June 2003 11:23 (twenty-two years ago)

martin yeah its like you've triggered some sub-cultural identification system alert and they're about to unleash 20 tons of quick-set concrete over you

if i won the lottery i would hire minibuses full of pensioners to go to such stores and pester the assistants with confused requests for all the wrong kinds of records


! AHA - WELCOME BACK KIM !

Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Thursday, 26 June 2003 11:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Hi Ray! (I never left - just posting far less frequently)

Kim (Kim), Thursday, 26 June 2003 11:45 (twenty-two years ago)

oops
yes i just did a search and all the threads you've posted on over the last few weeks are ones i'd never looked at

ilx - so high, so wide, so deep....

Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Thursday, 26 June 2003 12:35 (twenty-two years ago)

crikey, every hipster clothing store in little collins st. melbourne.

Chris Radford (Chris Radford), Thursday, 26 June 2003 12:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I have bought toy soldiers from the very shop mark s mentions. I don't remember any attitude but then I was a very oblivious child.

Richard Jones (scarne), Thursday, 26 June 2003 14:04 (twenty-two years ago)

!!!

on castle street right by where manser's antique shop used to be??

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 26 June 2003 14:10 (twenty-two years ago)

The one on the hill, right?

Richard Jones (scarne), Thursday, 26 June 2003 14:11 (twenty-two years ago)

haha what shop on shrewsbury is not on a hill?

but yes, that is a steep one, just down from (and opposite) the castle; just down from (and opposite) the old school/library (is this called the "darwin centre" now?), and just up from the station

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 26 June 2003 14:13 (twenty-two years ago)

unusual shropshire dialect usage alert:
"opposite" the old/school library = on the same side of the road as etc

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 26 June 2003 14:20 (twenty-two years ago)

i had to buuy some slightly cooler clothes just so I wasn't so sacred to go into the cool clothes shop.

Matt (Matt), Thursday, 26 June 2003 14:45 (twenty-two years ago)

That's the one. My parents would take me shopping in Shrewsbury a lot a child but then the abomination that is Telford happened, and then they split up, and then yadda yadda. The upshot of which I only remember Shrewsbury through the eyes of a child (and probably a bit romantically- I think of the Shire Hall as an immense and imposing building set in a dramatic plaza featuring a huge column).

Richard Jones (scarne), Thursday, 26 June 2003 14:50 (twenty-two years ago)

haha, i wz told that lord hill (= big marble guy on top of that column) was put there for being naughty, and so wd i be if i didn't stop doing whatever it was i wz doing!!

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 26 June 2003 14:56 (twenty-two years ago)

martin yeah its like you've triggered some sub-cultural identification system alert and they're about to unleash 20 tons of quick-set concrete over you
if i won the lottery i would hire minibuses full of pensioners to go to such stores and pester the assistants with confused requests for all the wrong kinds of records

I already do this, for free!

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 26 June 2003 20:22 (twenty-two years ago)

haha, i wz told that lord hill (= big marble guy on top of that column) was put there for being naughty, and so wd i be if i didn't stop doing whatever it was i wz doing!

Didn't think that was allowed in public.

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Thursday, 26 June 2003 20:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Has rarely happened to me, but at times, I'll get the ever-so-attentive assistant following behind me, while I'd looking around Victoria's Secret at the local mall. As if I'd be desperate enough to snatch a few wispy thongs.

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Thursday, 26 June 2003 20:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I am sometimes a bit leery w/weekend mountain bikers, ie thee sort who kit themselves out as if for a trek thru thee gobi desert, camel pack, expedition bags etc, and then strap their £4500 rocky mountain (rocky mountain = the best-made bicycle i have evr seen, fwiw) onto the back of their freelander, and fart about in kielder forest for a couple of hours, then hose the whole lot down when they get back home:

Me: why do you need a camel pack? Isn't it just extra weight? I mean, it's not as if you're going to die of thirst in england, is it?
bikie: I need it for downhill
me: that dual suspension outfit, i mean it juat makes the bike heavier, and saps all yer pedal power, right?
bikie: I need it for downhill
etc, etc.

to be honest, i possibly have driven such people away w/my snotty attitude. i prefer road racers, who are really hardcore, and recumbent riders, who are the 1337 of the cycling world.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 26 June 2003 20:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I think I have been in stores like this, but I have never noticed. The shopkeepers are always friendly and I even got away with making mullet jokes in the musician's shop one time

Millar (Millar), Thursday, 26 June 2003 20:53 (twenty-two years ago)

"Are you..... LOCAL?"

Haha, I never thought that League Of Gentlemen skit was based on reality that closely.

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 26 June 2003 21:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the common U.S. approach -- or anyway the one that gets used on me -- is for the shop hipsters to stand around with friendly little smiles, the expectation being that you will look confused and dismissive and wander immediately out, at which point they can laugh at your cluelessness. The problem is that sometimes, in shops like this, the stuff just actually sucks -- this is a problem with a lot of the new stores in my neighborhood -- and the little bastards will never realize that your immediate fleeing isn't due to cluelessness or intimidation but rather their just having crappy product. (I'm willing to admit that I sometimes try and make faces in order to make the distinction clear: e.g., attention people who work at that new boutique on Division, I took off because those boot-cut corduroys you were selling for $80 are just sorority-girl versions of the ones I was buying for $15 three years ago.)

Alternately there's the class as opposed to hipness issue, in which case usually they just follow you around the store, ask what you want in really condescending tones, etc. (I get the sense from this thread that US shop-people are just way more subtle and indirect about this stuff than in the UK!)

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 26 June 2003 21:11 (twenty-two years ago)

why on earth would someone with their own business deliberately drive away a sale? this is your livelihood ffs.

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 26 June 2003 23:48 (twenty-two years ago)

why on earth would someone with their own business deliberately drive away a sale? this is your livelihood ffs.

Depends where the shop is: if tis in Beverly Hills, or the like, the assistants won't care too much: another, richer customer will be along in a minute.

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Thursday, 26 June 2003 23:56 (twenty-two years ago)

"with their own business"

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 26 June 2003 23:58 (twenty-two years ago)

(shop assistants are vile anyway)

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 26 June 2003 23:58 (twenty-two years ago)

doesn't happen to me but my dad and brother went to an armenian grocery in philly while visiting relatives, and they were like "why are you here? you're not armenian!" "i'm picking up stuff for the family." "oh, what's their name?" "[dad gives name]" "which ones?" "[dad gives grandfather's name]" "oh, okay." and then he got to shop.

Maria (Maria), Friday, 27 June 2003 00:50 (twenty-two years ago)

there's an enormous haberdashery shop in bourke st. which has been there forever and the real estate must be worth millions but the windows are full of dusty bolts of ancient fabric. it is run by an equally ancient italian man who keeps bizarrely restricted hours ie. if you go in and he doesn't like the look of you he says 'sorry, closing now'. happily this didn't happen to me and i got some beautiful old fabrics! but i am scared to go in there again

minna (minna), Friday, 27 June 2003 01:17 (twenty-two years ago)

where on bourke st? is this the place next to pellegrinis?

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 27 June 2003 01:21 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah that one!

minna (minna), Friday, 27 June 2003 01:36 (twenty-two years ago)

nitsuh why are you wearing sorority girls' jeans?

Josh (Josh), Friday, 27 June 2003 03:40 (twenty-two years ago)

yes haberdasheries and fabric shops are classic for this! like awful vv rouleaux in sloane square

WHY DO I KNOW THIS

Chip Morningstar (bob), Friday, 27 June 2003 05:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, that guy (on Bourke) is crazy. He hasn't changed his shop display in 60 years or something.

Andrew (enneff), Friday, 27 June 2003 06:52 (twenty-two years ago)

electric jim it"s ALWAYS THE OWNER who behaves like this

it is a beached hipster thing of course: "you do not understand THE CULTURAL DEPTHS OF MY PRODUCT — i wd rather be poor than degrade the [whatever] that is all to me..."

mark s (mark s), Friday, 27 June 2003 08:46 (twenty-two years ago)

the english do not understand customer service.

english tourist: ooo, blimey, i was in the gap, and this shop assistant would not stop being nice to me, it's was 'orrible.

english tourist 2: did you watch your 'andbag, gladys?

english tourist: i sure did. it was an 'orrible experience. i just left the shop.

doom-e, Friday, 27 June 2003 08:53 (twenty-two years ago)

you can't just DECIDE yr good enough to be a customer!! THERE ARE VALUES TO UPHOLD!!

mark s (mark s), Friday, 27 June 2003 08:55 (twenty-two years ago)

blah!!!!! some people should never be consumers!!! shop keeps need guidance and rules!

doom-e, Friday, 27 June 2003 08:56 (twenty-two years ago)

i got chewed out for taking a photo in a sari shop in brick lane. i am a bad man.

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 27 June 2003 08:57 (twenty-two years ago)

you just don't decide to 'commit a crime' ... so obv. you should not just decide 'where to shop'. there are aesthetics involved here. WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN? WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN, INDEED.

doom-e, Friday, 27 June 2003 08:58 (twenty-two years ago)

anthony is a shopping tourist! WORSE THAN A SEX TOURIST!

doom-e, Friday, 27 June 2003 08:59 (twenty-two years ago)

what about those upper-middle-class 'antiques & curios' shops with stuff like victorian scientific/medical instruments and tableaux of stuffed wildlife wearing little sailor suits and animals skulls etc where there are vaguely specified opening hours and it appears to be run by someone who resents your intrusion into their privacy unless you are lord & lady muck and each of the items has a little tag on it which, instead of bearing the price, has something like '1Z/34ff' -
which forces you to ask 'how much is this?' at which point you suspect that:
1 - 'lady, if you have to ask...'
2 - the owner is just pulling some figure out of the air, based on just how much they think you can afford
3 - unless you look/sound so plebeian that they obviously don't even want the likes of you to own such a fine item so they price it out of your reach to stop you having it

and quite right too i mean just who do we think we are

hunleash the trading standards officahs

Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Friday, 27 June 2003 09:06 (twenty-two years ago)

ms doom-e worked in a shop like that. pete townsend came in and wanted to buy a lamp. he asked her: what can you tell me about this lamp, the history?

ms doom-e: it's very very very old.

*uncomfortable silence*

pete townsend walks out of the shop.

doom-e, Friday, 27 June 2003 09:11 (twenty-two years ago)

i love going into those stores, cause i know how much things cost, and i think to myself, really if i had 2k i should by a 10x10 potrait of the molson twins in red and white outfits.

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 27 June 2003 09:16 (twenty-two years ago)

This is a bookshop - not a library.

(Or - even better).
This is a library - not a bookshop.

Pete (Pete), Friday, 27 June 2003 09:53 (twenty-two years ago)

ms doom-e knows nothing about customer service!!

see, i kind of like the shops Snowy Mann refers to, surely they are implacable bastions against the vaunting globalisation of turbo-capitalism (ie buying and selling is kept strictly in thrall to the social relationship!!)

mark s (mark s), Friday, 27 June 2003 09:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Other places, not just shops, can be like this. I remember some time ago my dad, sister and I saw a sign to a go-karting circuit and an advert telling us we could go and race for a few quid. When we got there, there were three snotty attendants giving us very strange looks and an air of "Why are you here? Can't you see this is OUR go-kart circuit?! Well, I guess you can have a go but don't pull any funny business.". There were no other customers, no reception, no nothing - just an indoor track and these dudes. I'm surprised they ever got any business.

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 27 June 2003 11:12 (twenty-two years ago)

This is either:
a) A mob front for laundering money
b) A ruse to register for VAT recignition to claim back all expenses on a private karting rink.
c) A one way ticket to the bankruptcy court.

Pete (Pete), Friday, 27 June 2003 11:30 (twenty-two years ago)

haha mark there is also a part of me that sympathises - i suspect i would be just such an owner, demanding to know someone's listener-cv before deciding whether they should be ALLOWED to own this or that record, or whether they are some kind of TRENDY or DILETTANTE or DABBLER
in fact i am guilty of having such feelings EVEN AS A CUSTOMER because to the extent that there is formation of personal/social identity-thru-ownership of aesthetic objects i know that i don't want to have bought the same things as certain 'other types' of ppl!
(ha i can imagine Alex in NYC refusing to sell KJ t-shirts to Shania Twain fans - and i think i would agree with him)

ts:
'my money is as good as anyone else's'
vs
'no it isn't' or 'this isn't just about money'

it may be a consequence of the consumerisation of our consciousness, but if someone opens a shop there is an implicit contract that if you have the money to buy it they will sell it to you (although they are under no legal obligation to do so, i believe*)
if someone decides you can't have it, even though you have the correct change and have not been a rude or a 'difficult customer', it is hard to see how it is based on anything other than snap decisions based on your looks/accent/race/nationality, and snap decisions like that are almost by definition some kind of prejudice

for these kind of shops in particular - it's not like the interests/aesthetics involved 'ought' to be limited to a particular 'class' of person - to the extent that they are it is a self-sustaining loop caused by most proprieters being of this type

(on the other hand from their pov it may be like:
'i am also a proper olde english eccentric who knows about these things and thus suitable for your wares'
vs.
'hey this shop is WEIRD - i bet you don't have to be MAD to shop here......but it HELPS!')

*(though i imagine a shop that consistently refused to sell its goods to some particular ethnic group, say, could be found guilty of breaching the race discriminations act?)

i think this thread touches on the great big issue in 'aesthetic artefacts for sale' (eg music) - once you start selling it, does it become 'devalued'? is yr claim to 'aesthetic purpose' somehow fucked? or is it ok when you only sell it to the 'right ppl'?

(its a kind of lowest common denominator argument i don't like that some ppl will use against 'preciousness' => 'ha yr band SELL stuff just like any chart-pop shower so they are just the same in the end')

Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Friday, 27 June 2003 11:58 (twenty-two years ago)

two months pass...
Modern Way Lumber, 4th Ave Brooklyn

knowing to expect nastiness, tracer hand arrives round the side with a receipt entitling him to ten 32" lengths of 2x4. he holds up receipt, a chipper grin enforced on face, and toodles: "i've got something for you!"

wary lumberman gets off milk crate and says "you ain't got NOTHIN for ME"

tracer works through the ramifications of this reponse and decides lumberman means that he's got the wood, not me, and while this is a point of dubious utility just now, it is undeniable, so tracer shrugs off the aggro fuckhead's attitude, hands over reciept, and says "is it alright if i come back in half an hour to pick this up?" to which lumberman deliciously replies "you can do WHATEVER YOU WANT."

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 10:39 (twenty-two years ago)

but oh oh oh i had a spectacularly satisfying last laugh here! when i came back for the wood there was an extra long piece in addition to the 10 i'd ordered, i guess it was just the leftover from the orig. 2x4. i walk over, pick it up, and set it against the wall - "i don't need this," i say. lumberman: "well what do you want ME to do with it?" i pause. i look at him. "whatever YOU WANT"

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 10:41 (twenty-two years ago)

This actually happened, people!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 12:38 (twenty-two years ago)

lumberman means that he's got the wood, not me

*insert shitty 'got the wood' joke here*

Kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 16 September 2003 12:41 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...
http://www.hiddenglasgow.com/shopfronts/mayors_flyer.jpg

cozen, Monday, 22 August 2005 19:18 (twenty years ago)


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