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They say these things come in threes. Please, God, put Maggie and Ronnie on the block next.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 27 June 2003 02:16 (twenty-two years ago)

yay!!

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 27 June 2003 02:23 (twenty-two years ago)

i say dick cheney needs to be next.

― That Girl (thatgirl), Friday, 27 June 2003 02:31 (twenty-two years ago)

wow that must be why everythings gotten so much better, i noticed kids from low income families suddenly all had healthy free lunch and college scholarships today!! gee golly maybe if reagans next there will be free healthcare, lets celebrate the positive social change that occurs when senile insignificant ex-politicians die

― trife (simon_tr), Friday, 27 June 2003 02:35 (twenty-two years ago)

He died for reals? What happened? Someone destroyed the painting (of Dorian Gray)?

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Friday, 27 June 2003 02:35 (twenty-two years ago)

lets celebrate the positive social change that occurs when senile insignificant ex-politicians die

Isn't outliving them enough?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 June 2003 02:36 (twenty-two years ago)

That's right, trife. And all races can join hands as one now. *Whew!*

― jewelly (jewelly), Friday, 27 June 2003 02:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Trife is unable to see the symbolism for the trees.

― Chris P (Chris P), Friday, 27 June 2003 02:39 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah that def that has to be it because i know ile wouldnt be so monstrous and petty to take great joy in the deaths of people they disagree with, and not to mention the fact that the deaths of these people mentioned have a glorifying effect on the far right!! hey theres a bunch of rich suit-wearing corporate assholes working in the world trade towers, maybe if we blew them up and killed them all, poor people would be better off!!

― trife (simon_tr), Friday, 27 June 2003 02:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Trife turns into Momus shocker!

― hstencil, Friday, 27 June 2003 02:41 (twenty-two years ago)

ethan, your grasp of politics is about as sharp as your grasp of most things since you've sunk into kitsch

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 27 June 2003 02:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Jesus Trife, get a fuckin' sense of humor.

asshole.

― That Girl (thatgirl), Friday, 27 June 2003 02:41 (twenty-two years ago)

omg like i noe rite ima write fo whoevah sez so shit i dont want no pigeons etc

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 27 June 2003 02:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not looking forward to sitting through his lionization. which begins tomorrow.

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Friday, 27 June 2003 02:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Trife cried when Stalin died. (Also when Mr. Belvedere died, but that was for different reasons.)

― Chris P (Chris P), Friday, 27 June 2003 02:44 (twenty-two years ago)

when an old man i know dies i am saddened

when an old man i have no connection to dies i am indifferent

when an evil old man dies i am gladdened

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 27 June 2003 02:44 (twenty-two years ago)

what 'symbolism' are you promoting that would surround the death of reagan? do you think the american people will be all 'oh thank christ hes gone now we can all stop pretending hes a conservative saint and admit he was just an asshole, i was always uber liberal but i was scared the still-living reagan kicking my ass if i admitted it!!'

― trife (simon_tr), Friday, 27 June 2003 02:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not looking forward to sitting through his lionization. which begins tomorrow.

They're feeding his body to a lion? Dude, I'm so there!

― jewelly (jewelly), Friday, 27 June 2003 02:47 (twenty-two years ago)

the love and respect for reagan is one of those things that makes me think I live in some kind of shadow demi-dimension, half into some other bizarre reality where people, you know, love and respect reagan.

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Friday, 27 June 2003 02:49 (twenty-two years ago)

'when an old man i have no connection to dies i am indifferent' reagan felt the same way jess, look at how he treated the elderly!! also good to know you get to decide whos 'evil' enough to die, etc etc fuck you all

― trife (simon_tr), Friday, 27 June 2003 02:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Die, trife.

― jewelly (jewelly), Friday, 27 June 2003 02:52 (twenty-two years ago)

and dont even fucking call me on ignorance you carpetbagger fuckers i lived in south carolina under this asshole for seven years, i know all his shit and im not giggling over his heart failure or enjoying watching the neo-cons canonize him

― trife (simon_tr), Friday, 27 June 2003 02:53 (twenty-two years ago)

no, you're just yelling through a web site.

― hstencil, Friday, 27 June 2003 02:55 (twenty-two years ago)

yes good point 'h' any internet argument is automatically won when some dude says 'hey, youre on a website'

― trife (simon_tr), Friday, 27 June 2003 02:59 (twenty-two years ago)

that wasn't my point. My point was more that it seems kinda odd for you to complain that "also good to know you get to decide whos 'evil' enough to die," while you're the one telling everyone else how they should think. Is it a bit silly, not to mention quixotic, to get mad at other people for reacting to something in a different way than yourself? I mean, argue with 'em, fine, but to just be insulting because people have different opinions than you is just as fascistic as wishing some lame old politician would die.

Oh wait a second, this is trife I'm posting this to. Why bother?

― hstencil, Friday, 27 June 2003 03:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Refusing to name evil when you see it: C/D?

― Chris P (Chris P), Friday, 27 June 2003 03:07 (twenty-two years ago)

what about the evil in a bunch of superficial wannabe activists crying out for the death of a now-harmless old man with alzheimers, a man whos death will result in the furthering of ultra-conservative american culture

― trife (simon_tr), Friday, 27 June 2003 03:12 (twenty-two years ago)

in what way do you figure his death will further anything at all, trife? (that's a real question, btw)

― M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 27 June 2003 03:14 (twenty-two years ago)

He's not going to die a martyr's death! Sheesh.

― Chris P (Chris P), Friday, 27 June 2003 03:15 (twenty-two years ago)

At least he lived long enough to be the downfall of Trent Lott. He did some good there in his final days.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 27 June 2003 03:15 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah that's pretty fucking evil, since everybody here is running for president on a segregationist ticket!

trife for one thing you're not even old enough to remember 'ketchup is a vegetable' - you claiming South Carolina is a complete joke and thoroughly pointless since other people on this board come from places like Kentucky, Alabama and Texas - I'm not going to come out and say that it's necessarily wise to celebrate the death of someone else on a permanent website, but fuck off moralizing, okay?

Jesus I'm fucking tired

― Millar (Millar), Friday, 27 June 2003 03:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Politics aside, one of my psychology profs had us read the open letter Reagan wrote, or had someone write, when he found out he had Alzheimer's. I thought it was incredibly moving and incredibly brave. But when he dies and people make inevitable jokes, I won't get on the internet and rail against 'em.

(Let's all pretend I didn't copy and paste that from the Ass thread.)

― jewelly (jewelly), Friday, 27 June 2003 03:21 (twenty-two years ago)

it's true that his death may be seen as a point for rallying by the neo-cons. Anybody who doubts should remember how Nixon was basically canonized when he died? I don't disagree with trife's point (his only one, btw), just the way he made it. It's like getting to read the written equivalent of a chainsaw every fucking time he posts.

― hstencil, Friday, 27 June 2003 03:23 (twenty-two years ago)

jewelly, I'm convinced that Reagan's been dead for years and they're just keeping his body alive in a cryogenic chamber or something.

― hstencil, Friday, 27 June 2003 03:24 (twenty-two years ago)

matos like hstencil said its just fodder for more fox news media whitewash of a saintly dead conservatives, plus it takes him from the realm of human fallibility--dead strom cant accidentally expose his hatred, he cant say racist shit, dead strom cant fuck anything up hes just there as a namedrop, this really old republican who lived a life of political service, its a lot more cultural weight than hes carried for decades now

― trife (simon_tr), Friday, 27 June 2003 03:27 (twenty-two years ago)

jewelly, I'm convinced that Reagan's been dead for years and they're just keeping his body alive in a cryogenic chamber or something.

hstencil -- Goddamn you how dare you say that what are you some kind of simpering liberal, etc., ha-ha, *thunk* (head hitting the keyboard) *zzzzzzzzzz ...*

― jewelly (jewelly), Friday, 27 June 2003 03:30 (twenty-two years ago)

really im chill now so IM SORRY i called all yall out so bitterly but jeez it fucks with me when people pretend this kind of childish asshole pointing and laughing is revolutionary politics!! and on a personal level, doing bad shit in your life doesnt mean me or your grieving fam should have to put up with the self-defeating left wing crowds that always celebrate this shit, chill on the revenge fantasties, go volunteer and VOTE yall!!!!

― trife (simon_tr), Friday, 27 June 2003 03:33 (twenty-two years ago)

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― Josh (Josh), Friday, 27 June 2003 03:34 (twenty-two years ago)

"Don't ever let anyone pull you so low as to hate them. We must use the weapon of love. We must have the compassion and understanding for those who hate us. We must realize so many people are taught to hate us that they are not totally responsible for their hate. But we stand in life at midnight; we are always on the threshold of a new dawn."

--Martin Luther King, Jr., "Pilgrimage to Nonviolence" in Strength to Love (1958)

"What we need in the United States is not division; what we need in the United States is not hatred; what we need in the United States is not violence or lawlessness; but love and wisdom, and compassion toward one another."

-- Sen. Robert Kennedy, Statement on the Assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr.

― Phil (phil), Friday, 27 June 2003 03:48 (twenty-two years ago)

"I am convinced that love is the most durable power in the world. It is not an expression of impractical idealism, but of practical realism. Far from being the pious injunction of a Utopian dreamer, love is an absolute necessity for the survival of our civilization. To return hate for hate does nothing but intensify the existence of evil in the universe. Someone must have sense enough and religion enough to cut off the chain of hate and evil, and this can only be done through love."

----Martin Luther King, Jr., 1957

― Phil (phil), Friday, 27 June 2003 03:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I was much more of a booster for Thurmond's death when he was still half-lucidly clinging to a senate seat: in those not-so-distant days the "just die already" line actually was about a direct and tangible effect, and about the satisfaction of seeing that he couldn't cling to his reprehensible use of his post forever. In other words, the same satisfaction I would get from actually prying Charlton Heston's guns from his cold, dead hands.

I suppose I am uncynical enough to look forward to a day when enough time has passed that there are no longer any on-record segregationists in the senate; I don't delude myself that their passing will change anything in the present day, or that those who replace them will be massively more acceptable to me, but I don't see anything so strange about appreciating their passing. In any case, I looked forward to Thurmond's death until not-so-many months ago, so to pull punches now would be exactly the kind of posthumous lionization Trife's talking about: goodbye, Strom Thurmond, and you will be anything but missed by me. God keep me from ever stumbling across your final resting place with a full bladder.

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 27 June 2003 03:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Who was pretending it's "revolutionary politics"? You brought that to the table.

No one else.

But it's a nice strawman to run with, so long as no one calls you on it.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 27 June 2003 03:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Why did Thurmond keep getting elected?

― bnw (bnw), Friday, 27 June 2003 03:55 (twenty-two years ago)

thurmond was always a lazy politician, an opportunist. he achieved as much for segregation as he did for most other things: very little. it's unclear what, if anything, he actually believed in.

note that it's commonly assumed that he'd apologized for his segregationist past, he'd actually never done any such thing.

good riddance.

it would have been better if he had died ca. 1947, but unlike the incomparably vile jesse helms there probably would have been someone equally opportunistic to take his place.

x-post w/nabisco.

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 27 June 2003 03:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Ronald Reagan was directly involved in the deaths of more than half a million people in the 1980s.

If hating a man culpable for what amounts to genocide is wrong, I won't want to be right.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 27 June 2003 04:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Why did Thurmond keep getting elected?
For the same reason David Duke nearly got elected governor of Louisiana barely a decade ago.

I hesitate to make sweeping generalizations about the South (being that I'm a native), but...

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 27 June 2003 04:01 (twenty-two years ago)

That's a question I wish I could answer, BNW, but I'd note that it's not entirely ideological: South Carolina had the same two senators -- one Democrat, one Republican -- from 1966 through last year. My guess: they kept forgetting to print new ballots.

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 27 June 2003 04:02 (twenty-two years ago)

after a certain point i think people felt it was only polite to continue reelecting him.

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 27 June 2003 04:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Everyone will be forgotten one day. And that's all I have to say about that.

― Girolamo Savonarola, Friday, 27 June 2003 04:03 (twenty-two years ago)

By the way, the Thurmond obits I've read since opening this thread all do a fine job of drawing charming-old-lech lines around the fact that Thurmond groped or ogled 75% of the women he encountered. Tip for Clinton: try being ancient and/or dead.

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 27 June 2003 04:05 (twenty-two years ago)

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jess in impotently angry about getting called out on kneejerk dead prez idiocy shocker

― trife (simon_tr), Friday, 27 June 2003 07:00 (twenty-two years ago)

wait that must be the 'kitsch' talking again, you know severity in music arguments does not have political consequences but i guess if you only know about the former...

― trife (simon_tr), Friday, 27 June 2003 07:01 (twenty-two years ago)

um, sorry to interupt you guys – but not being an american i don't know alot about this guy.

so he was a senator? who was oppsoed to equal rights? and how long was he in a position of power for? and why was he allowed to stick around (in politics) for so long?

― dyson (dyson), Friday, 27 June 2003 07:03 (twenty-two years ago)

well clearly he was in politics for so long because he hadnt gloriously DIED yet, you see when racist politicians die, the racists who elected them instantly disappear from the planet (and their sons and daughters etc etc etc its just like instant gratification time travel)

― trife (simon_tr), Friday, 27 June 2003 07:06 (twenty-two years ago)

damn jess, you got called out!

― oops (Oops), Friday, 27 June 2003 07:06 (twenty-two years ago)

trife in absuing ilx in order to relieve the real life burdens he's been carrying around for the last two years shocker

really, e, let go. ilx has nothing to offer you anymore. bridges are burnt.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 27 June 2003 07:06 (twenty-two years ago)

right trife, cuz that's obviously what everyone here think happens. moron.

― oops (Oops), Friday, 27 June 2003 07:08 (twenty-two years ago)

camping out at yr first anti-war vigil and thinking yr howard zinn: c or d?

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 27 June 2003 07:13 (twenty-two years ago)

he was a senator for some forty-odd years, staunch segregationist, ran for president against Harry Truman (this should give you some idea just how long this fucker was around), was governor of south carolina for awhile before that, democrat for a little over half his political career, switched to republican circa Nixon's southern strategy. like most other segregationists, not much of an ideologue past segregationism. unlike some former segregationists (wallace most obv.) never actually renounced his past. for at least the last fifteen years of his career most notable for being old. at the beginning got elected cuz he was a segregationist but also cuz he was a democrat (post-reconstruction - nixon, republican's can't win jack in the south). towards the end mainly cuz south carolinians are absurdly/amusingly tradition freaks and contrary, and becuz ain't no force in politics stronger than inertia (win your first reelection and you're set for life).

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 27 June 2003 07:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Can I just say that Nixon wasn't nearly as bad as folks make him out to be?

you're right, he was MUCH MUCH worse than most people thought he was.

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 27 June 2003 07:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Wait...why isn't using the word "normative" in a perjorative manner *itself* not normative?

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 27 June 2003 11:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Would the liberal agenda be more successful if it tried to have better manners?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 27 June 2003 13:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Have you *seen* Michael Lerner eat something? Dude never closes his mouth when he chews!

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 27 June 2003 14:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Trife, I don't entirely disagree with you here -- I mean, obviously it's unsightly to get all Coulterish about the guy's death, especially after he'd already retired to his private life -- but you're just plain ignoring the truth when you joke about "the racists who elected him" disappearing. Plenty of Thurmond's supporters were black! The point was that there was a Thurmond machine that coasted along on pork and jobs and the flat-out traditionalism of sending "Good Old Strom" back to Washington -- and at the head of that machine sat a reprehensible person who used that post to basically fuck with the nation's politics. He wasn't entirely elected by ideologues who'd gladly vote for a mini-Strom, and the obvious hope with his retirement was that even though his successor would keep the same legislative agenda, the person at the head of it would be a conservative of a much less troubled mold than Thurmond. (Which is exactly the case: Lindsey Graham strikes me as a run-of-mill junior conservative, and with the 60s lock off of South Carolina's representation, who knows what changes could come over the next elections.)

I also agree with Dan's point: if you bend over backwards to be civil about the death of someone you abhor, you're only acting as an assistant to that posthumous lionization you're complaining about. I don't exactly need to cheer anyone's death; any tweaks of humor I see in Thurmond's have more to do with the years upon years that liberals spent watching him age, in office, and eventually figuring the only way he'd give up that seat was when the good lord took him out of it. But if anyone I talk to during the next few days asks me what I think of Thurmond's death, I'll tell the truth: I have always disliked him; I found his politics and his use of his seat disagreeable and often despicable; I think he did his best to make this nation worse, for everyone; I was overjoyed to finally see him leave the senate. My condolences.

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 27 June 2003 15:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I am imagining evil blue lightning flying out of Strom's body...

― Dale the Merciless (cprek), Friday, 27 June 2003 15:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Note also, Trife, that Thurmond's giving up the seat meant giving up all of the senate seniority (and less-administrative forms of influence) that came along with it.

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 27 June 2003 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)

What's the poop on Byrd, anyway? I couldn't find all that much online, except his voting record and his ratings by conservative and liberal groups. I also found this:

"Well, it's easy to state what has been my biggest mistake. The greatest mistake I ever made was joining the Ku Klux Klan. And I've said that many times. But one cannot erase what he has done. He can only change his ways and his thoughts. That was an albatross around my neck that I will always wear. You will read it in my obituary that I was a member of the Ku Klux Klan."

― Kerry (dymaxia), Friday, 27 June 2003 16:06 (twenty-two years ago)

RE: Byrd. I find Byrd to be a useless old man, but to even attempt to argue that joining the Klan when you're a teenager in the Old South is in any way akin to being an unrepentant racist and segregationist until you die at the century mark is ridiculous.

The Byrd argument gets lamer every time I hear it - and note that it only comes up as the retort to legitimate concerns about the GOP being in bed with racists. "Well, Democrats have a former Klan member, too!"

Too bad I'm not a Democrat, or it might actually... nah, even then I'd just laugh at the argument.

Would the liberal agenda be more successful if it tried to have better manners?

Quite the opposite. The "liberal agenda" has been stymied since they started being polite and stopped actually doing anything.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 27 June 2003 17:28 (twenty-two years ago)

um, sorry to interupt you guys – but not being an american i don't know alot about this guy.
so he was a senator? who was oppsoed to equal rights? and how long was he in a position of power for? and why was he allowed to stick around (in politics) for so long?

Dyson, try to imagine someone like Jacques Parazeau in federal politics for 50 years instead of provincial politics for 30.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 27 June 2003 18:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, but did Thurmond ever lose the election because of the "ethnic vote"?

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 27 June 2003 18:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Not that I know of, but I'm sure he would have blamed them too if he lost.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 27 June 2003 19:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm pretty sure Strom would have chosen "darkies" over "ethnic."

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 27 June 2003 19:18 (twenty-two years ago)

He lost his chance at making his own nation to "money and the ethnic vote."
It never really sank in at the time how close we were to loosing our nation.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 27 June 2003 19:34 (twenty-two years ago)

milo strom would likely never have uttered the word "darkies" in public--he was more of a genteel racist. the fact that he abandoned his segregationist positions but never formally renounced them testifies not as much to his recalcitrance as to his opportunism--he could function as a changed man (get the votes of blacks and moderate whites) and still not offend the more reondite among his former constinuency.

the guy's record was pathetic enough as it is, i think we should be careful about embellishing it with more damning color (no pun intended) than it already has.

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 27 June 2003 22:09 (twenty-two years ago)

reondite = recondite.

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 27 June 2003 22:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I think there's something further on that point: it's really risky to pretend that people can only be racist in one way, and that anyone who supported segregation must have some open loathing of blacks. This isn't the case and wasn't even the case during slavery, when white Southerners were probably more able to have decent personal relationships with blacks than their northern counterparts. Which is why segregationists and those that came after them are always so quick to talk about how they love black people, get along just fine with black people, etc.: they honestly do, so long as really odious notions of each person's proper place are still standing.

― nabisco (nabisco), Saturday, 28 June 2003 01:20 (twenty-two years ago)

To put it another way, you might love and cherish your dog and think it's immensely clever and capable, but you don't extend to it the same respect that you'd extend to a fellow human being (which, in this ill-phrased analogy, it turns out to actually be). The "colored fountain" is the doggie dish; the firehose is the newspaper that gets rolled up when the dog steals some of the owner's dinner. Dilute this a bit and I think you have a much closer characterization of post-segregation rationale: "Black people are great and fine (in their own little way that they should stick to)."

I'd say this rationale is actually more awful and dehumanizing than just hating black people outright.

― nabisco (nabisco), Saturday, 28 June 2003 01:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Nabisco is extremely correct.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 28 June 2003 02:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Comparing Jacques Parizeau to a prominent segregationist = ignorant and fucked-up.

― Patrick, Tuesday, 1 July 2003 14:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Thurmond dies: a lot of whitewashing becuse he basically a polite gentleman, not as much as there would have been a year ago (James Blount OTM)

Reagan dies: Big ole State Funeral, man of the eighties, won the Cold War, terrifying mental illness always good, and probably a lot of "of course, hostages blah blah contras blah blah, but that's the eighties for you".

Am I right in thinking, though, that Thatcher dies => actual street parties?

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 15:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Re. Thatcher: quite possibly, yes.

― RickyT (RickyT), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 15:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Also a question posed by DV a few weeks ago: When Eighties Irish overlord Charles Haughey dies, what with numerous tribunals having proved him to be the most corrupt man ever, and avoiding jailtime because "he's not in the best of mental health", will he even get a state funeral?

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 16:14 (twenty-two years ago)

― James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 18:06 (twenty-two years ago)

If there are street parties when Thatcher dies, I'm emigrating. I don't care if your weather sucks and my Texas accent (what little I have) will keep me from rising through the levels of your classist and blah blah blah society - I'm there.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 22:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Blessings for the dark overlords that took Thurmond's spririt away. Now, if they could just off Prince Phillip...

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 22:17 (twenty-two years ago)

tarnation!

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 05:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Comparing Jacques Parizeau to a prominent segregationist = ignorant and fucked-up.

How so? Am I giving jacques too much credit?

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 12:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Mr. Noodles...Where are you from?

― cybele (cybele), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 14:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Upper Canada at the moment.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 14:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Now there's loaded anachronistic nomenclature if I've ever heard it...

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 15:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Thought it appropriate at the moment.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 15:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Uppity Canada?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 15:12 (twenty-two years ago)

whoah.

― amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 3 July 2003 17:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I first saw that on a private mailing list a few days ago, but I didn't want to post it until I saw it confirmed.

― Kerry (dymaxia), Thursday, 3 July 2003 17:39 (twenty-two years ago)

zoiks?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 3 July 2003 17:41 (twenty-two years ago)

squish!

― amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 3 July 2003 17:46 (twenty-two years ago)

uh-uh!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 3 July 2003 17:49 (twenty-two years ago)

http://images.ucomics.com/comics/bo/2003/bo030707.gif

― Ed (dali), Monday, 7 July 2003 08:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Comparing Jacques Parizeau to a prominent segregationist = ignorant and fucked-up.

How so? Am I giving jacques too much credit?

One stupid, offensive, divisive comment != a lifetime of commitment to racial segregation.

― Patrick, Monday, 7 July 2003 15:27 (twenty-two years ago)

it wasn't a lifetime committment. if it was he would have been voted out of office in the eisenhower era.

― amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 7 July 2003 15:32 (twenty-two years ago)

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