The phrases The Right loves to bash The Left with

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Chris Radford (Chris Radford), Sunday, 29 June 2003 03:18 (twenty-two years ago)

"un australian"
"bleeding hearts"
"elites"
"saddam apologist"

Chris Radford (Chris Radford), Sunday, 29 June 2003 03:21 (twenty-two years ago)

"big government"
"trot"

Chris Radford (Chris Radford), Sunday, 29 June 2003 03:24 (twenty-two years ago)

"high atop their ivory tower"
"moral relativist"

Stuart (Stuart), Sunday, 29 June 2003 03:28 (twenty-two years ago)

"nattering nabobs of negativity"

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Sunday, 29 June 2003 03:35 (twenty-two years ago)

"effete and impudent snobs"

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Sunday, 29 June 2003 03:35 (twenty-two years ago)

(I win this thread)

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Sunday, 29 June 2003 03:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I know there are a lot of these but I can't think of a single one.

Andrew (enneff), Sunday, 29 June 2003 03:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, I got called "intellectually lazy" by some fuck who wrote into The Age.

Andrew (enneff), Sunday, 29 June 2003 03:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I feel like this might be at least partly in response to me mentioning that I hate it when conservatives use "whining", so let me just repeat how fucking punch-worthy a cheap shot I think that is. It's right up there with arguing with somebody by mimicking their words back at them in a mocking, sarcastic voice.

Dan I., Sunday, 29 June 2003 03:44 (twenty-two years ago)

(the cheap shot being use of whining, not this thread obv. sorry)

Dan I., Sunday, 29 June 2003 03:45 (twenty-two years ago)

"Emotional" is my favorite. Because all right-wing positions are, of course, absolutely rational and logical, devoid of emotion.

I've pretty much stopped arguing politics face-to-face. It's not worth the anger and homicidal feelings.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Sunday, 29 June 2003 03:48 (twenty-two years ago)

"Frenchy".

Chris P (Chris P), Sunday, 29 June 2003 03:55 (twenty-two years ago)

"GODLESS"!!! Uaraerargh

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Sunday, 29 June 2003 04:39 (twenty-two years ago)

"the soft bigotry of low expectations"

(nb this is actually a brilliant and mellifluous phrase.)

amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 29 June 2003 05:13 (twenty-two years ago)

"tax and spend"
Of course, it's WAY BETTER to give tax cuts to the rich and run up big deficits, then pass the debt burden onto the middle and lower classes with regressive taxes like Canada's GST.

Bryan (Bryan), Sunday, 29 June 2003 05:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Has no one though of "liberal"?

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 29 June 2003 05:15 (twenty-two years ago)

i haven't heard "tax and spend" for a while. i suspect that it may not be heard all that much in 2004...it'd be too easy to turn the tables seeing as even many conservatives are appalled by bush and co's fiscal radicalism.

amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 29 June 2003 05:15 (twenty-two years ago)

though=thought

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 29 June 2003 05:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Tax and spend was brought up by our provincial Tories during our last provincial election. The "socialist" (small s) NDP won again with a decent majority. No one bought their argument, I guess, especially since we've had budget surpluses for a while now.

Bryan (Bryan), Sunday, 29 June 2003 05:18 (twenty-two years ago)

If the right had it's shit together at all, here are some phrases it *should* bash the left with:

ineffectual
unrealistic
overdramatic
eaten alive by pity
humanistic to the point of ignoring human nature
third-wave feminist (ooh! that's ugly!)
Michael-Moore-ish

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 29 June 2003 05:19 (twenty-two years ago)

"land rights? Bwah"
"aboriginal genocide? Bwahaha"

Chris Radford (Chris Radford), Sunday, 29 June 2003 08:43 (twenty-two years ago)

"do gooder"
"political correctness gone mad!"
the Daily Mail talked of women "burning their bras" recently, surely the first mention of this in decades.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 29 June 2003 11:08 (twenty-two years ago)

"class war"

j.lu (j.lu), Sunday, 29 June 2003 13:15 (twenty-two years ago)

"treason"
various permutations of "they hate America"

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Sunday, 29 June 2003 13:25 (twenty-two years ago)

"hehe you're all right wing weally"

jel -- (jel), Sunday, 29 June 2003 13:26 (twenty-two years ago)

"Reactionary." Ooo, that one just makes me want to ... uh, construct a well-reasoned and thoughtful retort.

jewelly (jewelly), Sunday, 29 June 2003 15:52 (twenty-two years ago)

if the right had its shit together at all? wha?

maura (maura), Sunday, 29 June 2003 16:36 (twenty-two years ago)

that quote about if you aren't a socialist when you're young you have no heart, but if you're still one when you aren't so young you have no brain.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 29 June 2003 17:52 (twenty-two years ago)

"the chattering classes".

I never quite got that one.

stuff about being the chardonnay sipping set or the latte set or suchlike. I'm more left than anything and I resent being lumped in with boring skivvied knobs from Kew, thanks very much.

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 30 June 2003 03:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I would just like to say that I find this thread extremely boring.

oops (Oops), Monday, 30 June 2003 03:48 (twenty-two years ago)

hahahhaaha.... I kiss you, oops ;)

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 30 June 2003 03:48 (twenty-two years ago)

"shrill" is my favorite.

Layna Andersen (Layna Andersen), Monday, 30 June 2003 03:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Ok, hands up -- who in here has read at least a few dozen threads on the Free Republic site? If your hand is raised, then you should have some idea of some other labels/phrases to apply to this thread.

I do think the situation goes both ways, though. I find myself attacked at least on a semi-regular basis by The Left, which includes CNN, CBS News, ABC News, NPR, and the New York Times*. (Even as a hardcore Freeper I was still able to watch NBC News and MSNBC because of Tom Brokaw and Brian Williams, and I could read the Washington Post.) Thankfully it's happened fewer times than expected here.

*: I used to run a virtual nation from a "create a nation" site. I must've made a total of about 15 decisions in the span of time I was there. Every time I made one of the four last decisions, the classification of my nation would remain the same -- a "New York Times Democracy". The seeming inconceivability of this and the ensuing reassessment of my personal convictions moderated my politics. I still can't stand watching CNN, but at least I've gone back to reading the New York Times (used to be assigned a daily reading of this newspaper for my collegiate government classes) and can watch half of the ABC News reports.

Innocent Dreamer (Dee the Lurker), Monday, 30 June 2003 05:29 (twenty-two years ago)

oh Dee

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 30 June 2003 05:34 (twenty-two years ago)

free republic is always a good sight to follow the permutations of reactionary bloodlust.

amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 30 June 2003 05:37 (twenty-two years ago)

sight = site

amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 30 June 2003 05:37 (twenty-two years ago)

i never thought that anyone would willingly admit to being a freeper. doing so is about as socially acceptable as publicly admitted to jerking off or picking yer nose.

Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 30 June 2003 05:42 (twenty-two years ago)

fearless freeper!

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 30 June 2003 05:43 (twenty-two years ago)

from what alternate universe does a person who thinks that CNN, NPR, any of the networks, or the new york times are "the Left" come from?

Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 30 June 2003 05:47 (twenty-two years ago)

ahem, present day America?

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 30 June 2003 05:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean Howell Raines actually declared The New York Times = crusader for the left.

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 30 June 2003 05:52 (twenty-two years ago)

ahem, present day America?

maybe it's time to consider calling the british embassy and asking about their citizenship laws then ...

... and if howell raines = a "crusader for the left," he's been a pretty inept one (as well as being strictly self-styled ... i'm straining to think of anyone even vaguely left-of-center who'd consider mr. raines a "crusader" for their causes).

Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 30 June 2003 05:55 (twenty-two years ago)

oh I don't disagree he was one incompetent, arrogant fuck (although for a while there a year ago the times was (is?) easily the most prominent critic/skeptic of the iraq war), just if the editor of the new york times says the mission of the new york times is to undertake liberal crusades (augusta mattered more than the tax cut I guess) than it's not to farfetched to describe the ny times as 'liberal media'.

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 30 June 2003 05:59 (twenty-two years ago)

FORMER! FORMER! Didn't you even see the "even" and "was" included in my above post? I haven't gone onto the Free Republic site in a long while now. They've even stopped pinging me for updated info in regards to area-specific events.

Anyway, I admitted as much in other posts, so it's not like it's a surprise or anything. Plus, it shouldn't have been much of a shock to you anyway. (Oh, and even when I was there I avoided certain topics like the plague, such as the ones dealing with homosexuality and abortion. I certainly wasn't going to walk into a maelstrom by declaring myself pro-gay rights and pro-choice.)

I'm not going to say anything further because then you people will jump all over my post much like the Free Republic site would've jumped over my posts were I to have posted anything regarding my "progressive" views on homosexuality and feminism, and I've just about had enough with people judging me negatively based on my political viewpoints alone. I am a whole person and I have so many other facets to myself that you may actually really like.

p.s.: James, you don't have to post defenses of my positions. Really. I recognize there are differing viewpoints and maybe I should have qualified my original post by saying those were media I felt were "liberal" and left-leaning. Perspectives are like fingerprints in that everyone's got one and they're all unique. But I do appreciate it, and I guess it does feel kinda nice in that otherwise I'd feel all alone. Thank you.

Innocent Dreamer (Dee the Lurker), Monday, 30 June 2003 06:10 (twenty-two years ago)

one thing's for sure here ... Freeper is one phrase "the Left" loves to bash "the Right" with. see also "dittohead" (i.e., one who admits to getting their info from Limbaugh might as well wear a big sign saying "I AM A FUCKING IGNORAMUS!").

Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 30 June 2003 06:14 (twenty-two years ago)

dee i don't wanna jump on you & judge the whole person by the politics & bla bla but YR POLITICS SUCK!!!!!!!!! CNN "left wing" i'm fuckin near speechless

unknown or illegal user (doorag), Monday, 30 June 2003 06:16 (twenty-two years ago)

sorry for swearing

unknown or illegal user (doorag), Monday, 30 June 2003 06:16 (twenty-two years ago)

did the left create the term 'freeper'? I know 'dittohead' sprung from rush's audience.

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 30 June 2003 06:19 (twenty-two years ago)

i think that the free republic people call themselves "freepers," the way limbaugh's people started calling themselves "dittoheads." some non-righties (i.e., myself) prefer to call that site "freak republic," but "freeper" is more widely understood.

Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 30 June 2003 06:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Replying to various people here:

I don't think those labels were created exclusively as slurs against the non-leftists, they just became slurs. It's much like the label "liberal", really. On your other point, I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh anymore -- at least not with an uncritical ear. I do sometimes listen to him and have to laugh at what he says, but now I recognize just how hilarious he can be and that to take him seriously would be like taking Buster Keaton seriously. I listen to Glenn Beck and, sometimes, Sean Hannity, but even then I don't agree with them 100% of the time, so I do have that ability to make up my own mind there.

As for CNN being left-leaning -- well, maybe not during certain stretches of this year's Iraq war. In fact, I darn near loved some of the field reports I was getting from CNN. But normally I do feel as though it still would rather lionize a liberal way of thinking at the expense of balance and "fairness". If you could point me in the direction of a major CNN report that shows the U.S. in a favorable light, that would be lovely.

p.s.: You only THINK my politics "suck". It's all about opinions, m'dear. You're entitled to yours as much as I am, just so long as we acknowledge them as such.

*stumbles onto bed, immediately falls asleep [sleep sleep GLORIOUS sleep]*

Innocent Dreamer (Dee the Lurker), Monday, 30 June 2003 06:31 (twenty-two years ago)

man i'm glad i don't live in america

unknown or illegal user (doorag), Monday, 30 June 2003 06:49 (twenty-two years ago)

If you consider CNN to be left-leaning, then what do you qualify as balanced? Fox News?! Jesus.

Andrew (enneff), Monday, 30 June 2003 06:50 (twenty-two years ago)

tad, there's no lefte left ing britain I'm afraid, go to france.

Ed (dali), Monday, 30 June 2003 06:56 (twenty-two years ago)

"soft on crime"

Chris Radford (Chris Radford), Monday, 30 June 2003 11:17 (twenty-two years ago)

B -but I like chardonnay, and I like to chatter thoo' I'm not so keen on lattes. Does this make me more of a woolly liberal?

Matt (Matt), Monday, 30 June 2003 12:37 (twenty-two years ago)

"the chattering classes"

Chris Radford (Chris Radford), Monday, 30 June 2003 12:40 (twenty-two years ago)

The huge list I posted on the Coulter thread pretty much covers the entire spectrum of lefthate.

fletrejet, Monday, 30 June 2003 12:56 (twenty-two years ago)

[CNN] would rather lionize a liberal way of thinking at the expense of balance and "fairness".

Interesting. Specifically, what is this "liberal way of thinking" that CNN reports "lionize" and what, specifically, would CNN have to add to or subtract from their reporting before you felt differently?

If you could point me in the direction of a major CNN report that shows the U.S. in a favorable light, that would be lovely.

It'd be worth a look but I'd want to know what you regard as a "major report" and exactly what you regard as "favorable." CNN reporting tends toward the small story (headlines at the CNN US page right now include: Porch collapse kills 12 at Chicago party, Bush visiting Fla for senior votes, re-election cash to pick two) rather than headlines like America: Classic or Dud?. So is a story, say, about a US space mission that includes no other especially laudatory language about the US still "favorable?" Or is the story only favorable if it explicitly or implicity states that the US is the only nation on Earth that can attempt such a mission? Is there a degree of "boo-yah! In yer face!" every news story needs to be "favorable?" Is it the lack of such "favorable" news stories that makes a news network "liberal?"

Paul Ess, Monday, 30 June 2003 13:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Portraying America in unfavorable light = 745,826 stories on the patient hope of small-town Marines' relatives, instead of 942,054.

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 30 June 2003 14:02 (twenty-two years ago)

third-wave feminist

there was a third wave of feminism??!! where was it, and why wasn't i invited?

di smith (lucylurex), Monday, 30 June 2003 14:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Whenever CNN reported on antiwar protests the anchors would give these panic-stricken caveats like, "We know these images are infuriating but...."

amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 30 June 2003 15:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I think it might be fair to characterize the Times and even CNN as "liberal." But American liberalism in 2003 is hardly "left-wing" or even "center-left."

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 30 June 2003 16:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Milo is OTM. I think that Ann Coulter might explode if she ever caught wind of Canada's NDP. I get annoyed with how "left" and "liberal" are used interchangeably in the American media--especially CNN and the Times. If James Carvell is left wing...god help us!

cybele (cybele), Monday, 30 June 2003 17:49 (twenty-two years ago)

jess harville

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 30 June 2003 17:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Though the "left" has issues of its own that bother me.

Ex., a paragraph from an e-mail I received:

"n apologist for the racist colonialism and extermination of Filipinos who had the audacity to believe the US would actually keep their promise and allow them to have independence? The same US that took Filipinos over in cages and paraded them around as animals at the World's Fair? The same US that put them in concentration camps and tortured and annihilated them? The same US whose President McKinley (Thank God that bastard was assassinated, may he rot in hell), said it was America's duty to "civilize" and "Christianize" the pagan brown Filipinos?

When will these racist fucks just roll over and die and give us all some relief?"

Now, I agree with the sentiment, but why can't leftists learn to phrase this stuff in such a way that it doesn't scare off anyone not already in the SPUSA?

For a portion of the ideological spectrum that has traditionally enticed artists/writers/etc., the modern left has a serious problem marketing itself.

(I feel that instead of pissing on advertising/marketing/branding ala "No Logo," the left should learn to use them.)

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 30 June 2003 17:59 (twenty-two years ago)

pardon me--james carville...

cybele (cybele), Monday, 30 June 2003 18:01 (twenty-two years ago)

i don't like calling "conservatives" "conservatives" 'cause that's what they call themselves & it seems like a euphemism, you know, doesn't really accurately sum up what they really stand for...ok so what should i call em?

unknown or illegal user (doorag), Monday, 30 June 2003 21:21 (twenty-two years ago)

"conservatives"

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 30 June 2003 21:25 (twenty-two years ago)

"depleters"
"preservatives"
"hoarders"
"liberals"

oops (Oops), Monday, 30 June 2003 21:29 (twenty-two years ago)

"socio-economic conservationists"

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 30 June 2003 21:30 (twenty-two years ago)

"fags"

oops (Oops), Monday, 30 June 2003 21:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Can I have 'morally bankrupt'?

I also like the way how people always counter the other side of the argument with 'With all due respect, ...', when it's obviously clear there's absolutely no respect for anyone else's opinion involved at all.

I could also rap about how the use of the term 'illegals', when referring to asylum seekers, is a phrase used by people who have no idea of history and law at all, but I won't. It should be clear enough to anyone with a brain.

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Monday, 30 June 2003 21:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Milo, what organization did that email come from? They're certainly shooting themselves in the foot using that kind of rhetoric.

Layna Andersen (Layna Andersen), Monday, 30 June 2003 21:38 (twenty-two years ago)

also i don't like being called a "liberal", i prefer "communist" or "saddam apologist" or "anti american kneejerk fucksteak"

combat liberalism by chairman mao (doorag), Monday, 30 June 2003 22:42 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.geocities.com/redhalcyon/mecom.html

Leee (Leee), Monday, 30 June 2003 22:51 (twenty-two years ago)

according to Coulter on Crossfire this afternoon, Republican wannabe Zell Miller is even a liberal. Even Novak was raising an eyebrow at that nonsense.

badgerminor (badgerminor), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 00:40 (twenty-two years ago)

'tweren't an organization, just one of the political mailing lists I'm on. Though I've received similar things in the past.

Somehow the fucking Republicans managed to get my e-mail address, though. I got a bunch of shit from them, normal mail and e-mail at the last election. Pretty sure they're not hitting a target demographic with me, as I'm the least likely Texan to vote for a Republican IN HISTORY.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 00:47 (twenty-two years ago)

those considered 'conservatives' by the media are not conservative at all. they are radical right-wingers hell-bent on starving social programs and gathering up the spoils for themselves.

maura (maura), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 04:05 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah exactly

unknown or illegal user (doorag), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 04:18 (twenty-two years ago)

when did the word "conservative" come into its present meaning (in the US)? was it during the new deal? cos goldwater was a "conservative" but like bush and co he was a bit of a nutcase.

amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 14:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Jon Stewart had the editor of the Atlantic Monthly on last week and he made the point that 'conservative' has typically been used to describe someone who wants to preserve the power structure and existing architectures of politics (I'm paraphrasing here) and that today's Republicans are doing no such thing. I believed he called them 'radical nationalists' or nationalist radicals or something anarchists instead.

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 14:49 (twenty-two years ago)

The painful irony of the term "conservative" as how it's used today is that it's so gigantically divorced from it's actual literal meaning...I mean, conservative and conservation come from the same word-root, but how many self-proclaimed "conservatives" are actually interested in "conserving" anything?

(teeny's x-post is excellent and scarily right in line with what I was thinking 'bout)

I loved when Jon Stewart had that Governor Bush vs. President Bush debate...it was simultaneously one of the funniest and most disturbing things I've ever seen.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 14:53 (twenty-two years ago)

tell me about that since i never saw it!

amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 14:58 (twenty-two years ago)

They used to have it streaming from the comedy central site, but I just found the link and it's dead. It was Gov. Bush's campaign speeches intercut with Pres. Bush's policy speeches. Lotsa "America cannot be the policeman to the world" vs. "America has a moral obligation to rescue the people of Iraq" sort of thing.

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 15:07 (twenty-two years ago)

A classic Dukakis/Kennedy slam, used even by Homer Simpson in one episode, ladies and gentlemen, I present "Taxachusetts".

earlnash, Tuesday, 1 July 2003 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

(possibly to be revived in 2004)

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 17:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks to my band's participation in an Earth Day concert, we're now known "eco-terrorists".

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 17:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I love the term "eco-terrorist" cuz when I hear it I think of people destroying the planet, not the people handing out leaflets trying to stop the people who are distroying the planet, which is to whom they are usually referring.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 17:56 (twenty-two years ago)

they're usually referring to the people who put spikes in trees killing lumber workers, or release animals from testing fueling bad movies

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 17:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Or burn down university buildings with lab rats in them.

g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 18:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah I know, but it's being used very "liberally" these days.

Ha ha, conservatives in being liberal with every thing* SHOCKAH!

*liberal with definitions of words, liberal with spending of tax dollars, liberal with making moral judgements for the American public, etc.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 18:08 (twenty-two years ago)

words in having different connotations in different contexts shocka!!!

amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 18:12 (twenty-two years ago)

wait, they're trying to use animals to fuel bad movies?? this rape of gaia must be stopped!!

(sorry) (gcannon), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 18:17 (twenty-two years ago)

the Bush tax-cuts were at least partially executed to give rebirth to the 'tax and spend' charge

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 18:18 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah 'spend' doesn't have the same ring to it.

g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 18:21 (twenty-two years ago)

wow it's like the circle of life.

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 18:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I wish more people would come to realize that the way to save the rainforests is to pass out thousands of PAPER leaflets.

oops (Oops), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 19:04 (twenty-two years ago)

"Volvo"

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Tuesday, 1 July 2003 23:16 (twenty-two years ago)


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