teach me about cooking and eating fish

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my doctor has advised me to eat fish.
i've (rather reluctantly) ageed.
having never bought or cooked fish in my life i've suddenly realised
that i don't have a clue what to do or where to start.
so......help!

joni, Saturday, 12 July 2003 10:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Find a good fishmonger. Tell me where you live and I might be able to help with finding one. A good fishmonger will take a lot of the pain out of preparing fish.

For a cookbook I would recommend "English seafood cookery" by rick stein. This is his first book, all his later books are twice the price and essentially rehashes of the this first book.

There are three basic types of fish: freshwater, white fish and oily fish.

Oily fish are generally the cheapest and have some of the most beneficial nutrients. We're talking mackrel, sardines, herrings and the like. You want to grill these fish or fry them rolled in oats and fry them. You can also get smoked oily fish, which is easiest to prepared and eat. Smoked mackrel you can just have cold and is very good in a salad.

White fish: Cod, Skate, Hake, Bass, Gurnard, Sole, Turbot, sea bass, plaice, monk fish, mullet snapper. OK not all "white fish" Don't eat cod, cos there is very little left and is being fished unsustainably. Go for the the cheaper fish. Can be fried grilled, baked (rolled up with herbs in tin foil and put in the oven). Learn to make hollandaise sauce. it's a great carrier for herbs and ideal acompanyment to many of these fish

here's how to do it:

2 egg yolks, some salt pepper, a tablespoon of water in a blender. Start the blender then add 250g of melted butter slowly till it thickens.

(to do it properly you should put the the first ingredients in a bain marie and add the butter to that whisking)

Then you have river fish, trout, salmon, salmon trout (of course salmon and salmon trout live in the sea aswell and only swim upriver to spawn). DOn't buy farmed because of the huge damage done by fish farming. So you won't be eating any of this that often cos wild is really expensive. When you dos bake the fish, its good baked with almonds and lemon thyme.

Ed (dali), Saturday, 12 July 2003 11:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Sainsburys economy fishfingers, 55p for 20 - SORTED. In a sandwich with tomato ketchup. Luvverly.

Sarah (starry), Saturday, 12 July 2003 11:59 (twenty-two years ago)

We've got those too but we've learned to make them Vietnamese style, which is once fried, roll them in a lettuce leaf and dip in either 1) a mix of mayo and sweet chilli sauce 2) the sweet chilli sauce and creme fraiche or 3) just with chilli sauce. Wasabi and mayo mixed together is also good on FFS, as is the chilli/mayo mix I mentioned. And the bread must be toasted.

suzy (suzy), Saturday, 12 July 2003 12:08 (twenty-two years ago)

There are many fish recipes in various threads on ILX, search some.

The easiest and quickest way to cook fish is pan frying fillets. I don't know what fishes you have where you live, here I usually use tilapia or catfish. Put the burner on medium-high heat, add oil + butter to a frying pan. Lightly coat the fish in flour and put in on, and cook until its golden-brown. Take the fish out, then in the remaining butter add some capers, a briefly cook them, then add a little lemon juice and pour it on the fish. There are many variations to this recipe.

fletrejet, Saturday, 12 July 2003 12:14 (twenty-two years ago)

yes, that record was an excellent collab between derek bailey and shoji hano.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 12 July 2003 12:16 (twenty-two years ago)

yey, thanks for the info...

the reason i've been told to eat fish is that i'm recovering from
serious illness and have become intolerant to gluten, so i need extra
protein sources....no fish fingers unfortunately (wheat in coating) :(
i'm vegetarian not through any principled stance but, well i just
never liked eating meat or fish. so i didnt.
i'm going to eat it now cos it will be good for me, even if i dont enjoy it....
(obv. i'm trying very hard to justify all this to myself...heh)
and i guess i'm not a vegetarian now cos i ate some fish an hour ago.
it was ok, but the texture was weird...and i cant get the taste out
of my mouth....

joni, Saturday, 12 July 2003 12:33 (twenty-two years ago)

California-style:
Get a good piece of salmon filet. Pull out the tiny pin bones with pliers if needed, they will slide out. It doesn't take that long and makes eating a more relaxed exeperience.

Ok, this only takes 5 minutes because we don't have time for anything in LA. And cook it while talking on your cell phone, a conversation you will finish in your car.

Ingredients:
FRESH not frozen salmon filet
salt and coarse pepper from a grinder
medium olive oil
clove of garlic
basalmic vinegar
a bag of pre-washed fresh baby greens

Dump the greens out onto a large dinner plate.

Salt and pepper both sides of the salmon
Thinly slice the garlic
Heat just enought olive oil to make a thick film in an omellette/frying pan until you can barely stand to hold your hand above it, but BEFORE it gives off steam/smoke. If it does, start over until you get it.

Throw in the garlic. It should sizzle and sweat but not turn brown.
Add the salmon immediately. This will lower the temp in the pan.
When you see the pink starting to disappear in the middle thickness of the filet, turn it over. Lower the heat a bit.
DO NOT OVERCOOK THIS or I will hunt you down.

When the filet is done (NOT brown, bright pink) and the middle is slightly meltingly barely done (not raw or sushi like) get it OUT of the pan, Right away.
The salmon forgives no one.

Dump it on top of the greens.

Before the pan cools, splash some balsalmic vinegar in it, a squeeze of lemon or a splash of white wine if you like, swish around in the olive oil/fish jiuce.

Take the salmon off the plate and set aside.

Toss the greens with the pan mixture and return to plate--or if you're deft, do it ON the plate.

Return the salmon to its rightful home atop the greens and grab a fork.

Orbit (Orbit), Saturday, 12 July 2003 23:51 (twenty-two years ago)

dont eat sea bass either, for similar reasons

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 12 July 2003 23:54 (twenty-two years ago)

1. Melt 200g of butter in a pan

2. Get the lead singer from Marillion

etc.

Lynskey (Lynskey), Sunday, 13 July 2003 00:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Sea Bass is a marvellous fish, if a trifle overused these days. It should be cooked on the bone as should all fish, more flavour is imaprted this way (though given that you're problem is with the taste this is possibly bad advice). Personally I bake it.

(This is all in addition to ed's excellent advice)

By and large you should keep white fish treatments simple, bake with oil, salt and pepper, maybe a little garlic. But only a little. Quality of ingredients is key here.

Meatier fish can withstand a bit more roughing up. try this simple salsa, perfect for tuna and marlin to complement the meaty flavours, even better to cover up the flabby dullness of farmed salmon
(sidepoint, steak over fillet every time, fillet sweats out it's fat during cooking which leads to unappetising globules all over your hunk of protein, steak just looks better, further sidepoint, barbecues and salmon steaks were made for each other. I cannot emphasise this enough): roughly chop a handful each of coriander and mint, dash with lemon and balsamic and mix with anchovies, capers, salt and pepper ground together in a pestle and mortar, feel free to include olives. A friend of mine adds green chilli but I feel this is unnecesary.

Meaty fish, cook on griddle or hot grill (high temperatures serve to seal moisture in so long as you don't cook for too long - don't be afraid to eat it slightly underdone. Fish by and large contain none of the bacteria responsible for food poisoning. Such cases as have occurred are far more often down to incorrect storage). Delicate fish I like to cook en papillote, simply place your fish with it's seasoning and whichever vegetables you wish to serve with it on a sheet of greaseproof paper, spoon over two or three tablespoons of cooking liquid (stock, juice or wine, I'm fond of using grapefruit juice with duller fish such as trout as the acidity cuts through cleanly), fold it up and bake in a medium oven for ten to fifteen minutes or so. he idea is that the fish and veg steam inside the paper. It's as healthy as it is tasty. Enjoy your fish!

Matt (Matt), Sunday, 13 July 2003 00:19 (twenty-two years ago)

On the political tip: A Slate article about the environmental downside of eating fish.

And check the Marine Conservation Society's "good fish guide" for what's overfished and unsustainable, and what's not.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 13 July 2003 01:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Is your doctor a licensed nutritionist? Doctors who know as much as Joe Shmoe give out dietary advice all the time. Surely there is an alternative to fish, if you don't enjoy eating fish.

Scaredy cat, Sunday, 13 July 2003 02:01 (twenty-two years ago)

But if you decide you want to eat fish, the least fishy fish you will probably enjoy fried up with lemon and black pepper. It's easy to cook. I used to like orange ruffie, flounder, red snapper, haddock, cod and salmon (but only if salmon is baked nice and brown or prepared sushi style or as lox). A lot of the other fish you will probably find kind of gross. Cheap but good: whiting and catfish. And of course there's always canned tuna. All of which is pretty good for spiking your mercury levels!

Scaredy Cat, Sunday, 13 July 2003 02:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Go to Tokyo and go to the Tsukiji fish market. It's so cool. there is any kind of fish. Just grab something and start eating chunks of it. I'm sure it's fine it's just going to end up as sashimi soon anyway.

A Nairn (moretap), Sunday, 13 July 2003 03:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I tried to grill Red Snapper whole tonight and I didn't get the GRILL HOT ENOUGH.

I coated it in lime and garlic and oil. The skin would have been great.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 13 July 2003 03:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm sure it's fine it's just going to end up as sashimi soon anyway.

Ew. Don't they flash-freeze sashimi before serving it? Isn't there a real health risk to eating actual raw fish, even in Japan?

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 13 July 2003 03:37 (twenty-two years ago)

No.

I neglected to mention that I salted and peppered it, too. Anyway, I was told to make fish tacos with the remains. I had to blush!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 13 July 2003 03:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Um... intestinal parasites to thread.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 13 July 2003 03:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Supposedly the ginger helps reduce the risk of parasites. There's still a risk, but probably comparable to or lower than the one taken when you eat ground beef you didn't grind yourself.

Tep (ktepi), Sunday, 13 July 2003 03:57 (twenty-two years ago)

"Ew. Don't they flash-freeze sashimi before serving it? Isn't there a real health risk to eating actual raw fish, even in Japan?"

hey, you're right. I was wondering why all the giant tunas were frozen.

"Um... intestinal parasites to thread"
but the trick is to eat enough raw fish so that you develop an immunity to the parasites. The human body is really adaptive in that way.

A Nairn (moretap), Sunday, 13 July 2003 03:57 (twenty-two years ago)

three years pass...
So I caught a nice 4 pound Bass yesterday and we're eating it tonight.

Anyone got any charming, simple, ideas for bass dishes and the best way of cooking it? I've only ever pan fried simple filet fish and salmons, never a whole fish. Should we oven bake it?

tried searching the internet but there's just so many recipe menu sites I get a bit over awed with them all, and I'd rather hear ilxors advice.

Ste, Monday, 14 May 2007 10:46 (nineteen years ago)

You can bake it in foil, simply seasoned - that way you should retain all the juice and flavour of the fish?

Mark C, Monday, 14 May 2007 11:39 (nineteen years ago)

Absolutely. People do too much to fish. A good fresh fish just baked with some herbs and butter/oil and some white wine. That's it. Don't be faffing with it.

Ned Trifle II, Monday, 14 May 2007 11:48 (nineteen years ago)

Having said that - if you do want to faff a bit - I've done this recipe (but with bream instead of mullet) and it was very nice.
Fourth recipe down

Ned Trifle II, Monday, 14 May 2007 11:51 (nineteen years ago)

And he's done a sea bass one which looks easy (but I've not tried it)...
First recipe here

Ned Trifle II, Monday, 14 May 2007 11:54 (nineteen years ago)

turbot fillet with lemon slices in the bottom of the pan and salt and pepper on the fish, broiled; I didn't time it, but about 10 minutes total or less? but also, or rather instead, orange zest if one has proper utensils

youn, Monday, 14 May 2007 23:58 (nineteen years ago)

Man this thread is making me want to have salmon cutlets again. I'm lazy and usually just buy them from a local fish shop so theyre probably farmed ones but they still seem tasty to me.

Trayce, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 00:10 (nineteen years ago)


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