The News Hour with Jim Lehrer. A Stone Cold Classic!

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here in oz this fantastic program screens at the incredibly inconveinient time of 5pm. still, as a news junkie this means i tape the show on a fairly regular basis. i suppose my questions are who watches it and in what esteem is the program held in the states? is ray the beard a cult figure? if not, why the hell not?


Chris Radford (Chris Radford), Monday, 14 July 2003 07:22 (twenty-two years ago)

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Chris Radford (Chris Radford), Monday, 14 July 2003 07:23 (twenty-two years ago)

where's the love?

Chris Radford (Chris Radford), Monday, 14 July 2003 09:52 (twenty-two years ago)

c'mon northern hemispheristes! does anybody watch this?

Chris Radford (Chris Radford), Monday, 14 July 2003 13:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Used to catch The MacNeil/Lehrer NewsHour when I was younger, though I was bemused by it as a news junkie kid -- no flashy graphics, a lot of talking, etc. Haven't tuned in in years.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 July 2003 13:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Is "Ray the Beard" Ray Suarez? I've always liked him -- he started as a reporter for the NBC local affiliate in Chicago, then moved on to Talk of the Nation on NPR. Seems like a genuinely nice, intelligent guy.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 14 July 2003 13:46 (twenty-two years ago)

This is one of those things that a lot of people pay lip service to -- generally held up as the example of thoughtful, intelligent broadcast news -- but not a lot of people actually watch. At least, that's my experience. It could be a generational thing, too -- my guess is the Lehrer demo skews well over 40 (as opposed to NPR, which has a broader audiece because people can listen to it in their cars or at work). I think Lehrer does a good job, but I also think it's time for somebody else to try something equally intelligent but a little less...fusty.

JesseFox (JesseFox), Monday, 14 July 2003 13:48 (twenty-two years ago)

(xpost)
Yes. I still want to call it MacNeal/Lehrer, but that's not right. Ray Suarez (guy with the beard) is a University of Chicago alum...my sister got to meet him and he sounds like an interesting guy.

In some places, it's on twice an evening (like in NYC) but here (Chicago)it's on at 6 only.

It's the best news on network TV, IMO.

JuliaA (j_bdules), Monday, 14 July 2003 13:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Fustiness is the biggest problem with the liberal American media, really. (I mean the actually liberal media -- NPR, PBS, the NY Times -- not ABC or CNN or whatever Rush Limbaugh counts as "liberal.") Couldn't they be smart, liberal and not so much give the impression that their last experience with popular culture was the first season of Saturday Night Live?

(sorry, X-post, and yeah, I like Ray Suarez too. He's a good interviewer who usually seems to know what he's talking about and doesn't try to drown out his guests.)

JesseFox (JesseFox), Monday, 14 July 2003 13:53 (twenty-two years ago)

It's twenty years old or more, but for a critical and really funny take on Newshour (at least the MacNeil-Lehrer one) you should look at Alexander Cockburn's piece mocking the vacuous equanimity of the show's approach. I think it was called "Should One Man Eat Another Man?" or something like that.

Benjamin (benjamin), Monday, 14 July 2003 13:56 (twenty-two years ago)

It's in Corruptions of Empire which I don't have at hand now. The gist is the idea that the Newshour's format presents two (or "both") sides to every argument, and exactly two sides.

Here's a summary of the satire from http://www.paulandrews.com/2001/03/30:

[A recent] analogy of the Jim Lehrer approach to so-called balanced journalism (this is the guy who failed to ask one single penetrating question or followup of the presidential candidates during the debates) reminds me of Alexander Cockburn's riff on Lehrer back in 1982, when MacNeil was still around. Cockburn described a situation where the NewsHour took on cannibalism ("Should one man eat another?"). One expert defended cannibalism as potentially good for the economy and environment, a source of new revenue, less reliance on environmentally detrimental beef, freeing up property that otherwise would go to land-consuming cemeteries, and so on. The other expert criticized cannibalism as unnecessary, just one more area for the government to regulate, a threat to the existing food-distribution system, a potential religious issue, and so on. A third expert was prepared to argue, "Cannibalism is just wrong," but Lehrer broke in saying, "Sorry, we are out of time."

Benjamin (benjamin), Monday, 14 July 2003 14:04 (twenty-two years ago)

It's the best news on network TV, IMO.

This implies there's better news on cable...?

adam (adam), Monday, 14 July 2003 16:04 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.learn-line.nrw.de/angebote/neuemedien/medio/gl/hyper01/hyp01gif/lehrer.gif

Dada, Monday, 14 July 2003 16:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Jesse is pretty OTM above, in both posts. I like it but it conflicts with the local news (and although the local news sucks, it's the only time I get local news, and it's on after I've already watched an hour or more of national news plus the Daily Show).

teeny (teeny), Monday, 14 July 2003 18:12 (twenty-two years ago)

oh, speaking of:
http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript_stewart.html

teeny (teeny), Monday, 14 July 2003 18:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks for that link Teeny. It's sentences like "Maybe now we can lower the nation's terror alert to periwinkle" that are the meat-and-potatoes of my love for all things Jon Stewart.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 14 July 2003 18:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I just saw that Bill Moyers thing yesterday morning. Nice, since I don't have cable and never get to see The Daily Show.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 14 July 2003 19:41 (twenty-two years ago)

six years pass...

pretty great news program

skeletor, Friday, 25 September 2009 00:49 (sixteen years ago)

i read some shit that had actual statistics, claiming that news hour doesn't interview enough people that aren't white make republicans, but i don't think that's the case in the year or so i've been viewing

skeletor, Friday, 25 September 2009 00:51 (sixteen years ago)

make male

skeletor, Friday, 25 September 2009 00:51 (sixteen years ago)

I watch Jim Lehrer every weekday. I whistle the theme song in the shower, and hold the high note for an obnoxiously long time, before crashing back with the final ba-BA-ba. It's not perfect but it's at least one million times better than any of the big three network shows. I don't have cable.

Z S, Friday, 25 September 2009 00:59 (sixteen years ago)

Where it shines: bringing on an actual expert who understands some arcane area of the world and its local problems, then letting them explain what they know. This only happens because it is an issue no one in the USA cares about.

Where it sucks: any USA issue where money or power is at stake, and Congress is being lobbied by powerful interests. In such cases they just bring on two or more lobbyists to respectfully disagree and make their talking points. Worst of all is when the general public interest is defended by a nerdy college professor who is unused to speaking on television, pitted against a smooth shill from a conservative think tank. This happens for at least 45 minutes of each day's news hour.

Greatest weakness overall: they have almost no resources to do real reporting in the field. Thus, they never get away from the interview format -- and their interviewer rarely has enough familiarity with an issue to force the facts to the forefront.

Aimless, Friday, 25 September 2009 01:12 (sixteen years ago)

any USA issue where money or power is at stake, and Congress is being lobbied by powerful interests.
yeah, this has been especially frustrating w/regards to the health care debate

it's kinda surreal watching it on tv now, seeing all the faces that match up with the voices i've been listening to.

skeletor, Friday, 25 September 2009 03:00 (sixteen years ago)

after having only listened to it on the radio, i mean

Worst of all is when the general public interest is defended by a nerdy college professor who is unused to speaking on television, pitted against a smooth shill from a conservative think tank. This happens for at least 45 minutes of each day's news hour.

really? it seems like, at most, 30 minutes is dedicated to this format; and roughly half the time, they do have an eloquent someone on the left. nitpicking, though.

lolll at ray suarez as "ray the beard"

skeletor, Friday, 25 September 2009 03:19 (sixteen years ago)

three years pass...

I'm sure with Ifill and Woodruff as anchors, the program's wide-ranging coverage of the ideological spectrum from right-wing Democrat to batshit-right Republican will remain intact.

(at least neither of them is as monumentally boring as Ray Snooze Suarez; Robin and Jim must've given him stem cells)

Miss Arlington twirls for the Coal Heavers (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 13:57 (twelve years ago)

so Aimless tot OTM, i'm sayin

Miss Arlington twirls for the Coal Heavers (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 August 2013 14:07 (twelve years ago)


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