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These things crumble very quickly and for silly reasons, no?

― Scaredy cat (Natola), Monday, 21 July 2003 04:48 (twenty-two years ago)

probably because they only last a half-hour a week (discounting reruns)

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 21 July 2003 04:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Probably becuase the show has nothing to do with women and men, but more with gay male fantasies.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 21 July 2003 04:55 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah - relationships ending cuz the man felt insecure about the woman's sucess or the woman cheated on the man: only on tv!

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 July 2003 04:55 (twenty-two years ago)

The thing is, Blount, those things are universal, ane even easy cliches. This show has long been held up to be some kind of torch-bearer for WHAT WOMEN ARE REALLY LIKE, etc, and it's nothing of the kind. It's written entirely by gay men. TV has yet to scratch the surface of the female sex drive. Books have done a bad job, as well. Hell, WOMEN do a bad job of it.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:00 (twenty-two years ago)

This show was supposed to be about what women are really like?? wtf?!?

― Texas Sam (thatgirl), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:01 (twenty-two years ago)

A bad job of honestly describing it, I mean. Not a bad job of executing it.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:01 (twenty-two years ago)

This show was supposed to be about what women are really like??

That what they say, Sam. I don't get it, either.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Candace Bushnell's a gay man!

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:03 (twenty-two years ago)

(she's better looking than SJP, thats for sure)

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:03 (twenty-two years ago)

so where did they say 'we're creating this show to show what women are really like'? (I missed most of the first season)

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Candace Bushnell's a gay man!

She's a fag hag, which is arguably worse for these purposes.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:06 (twenty-two years ago)

SJP used to be sex on a bunsen burner when she was a geek who was on Square Pegs and had a schoolgirl crush on Letterman. hell, even now....

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:07 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, she still has her moments for sure, and her bod is pretty damn tight

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:11 (twenty-two years ago)

(baffled by all this)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:12 (twenty-two years ago)

it's the NOSE

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:12 (twenty-two years ago)

so Kenan, lemme see if I got this straight: women and fags aren't qualified to write a sitcom about fag hags? should they be writing for the man show?

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:12 (twenty-two years ago)

the nose either really works or really doesn't

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:13 (twenty-two years ago)

(usually determined by how much of a 70s era streisand impersonation sjp is doing)

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:13 (twenty-two years ago)

it really works

also, what exactly is a S&TC relationship? I've never watched the show. you mean like casual, flippant sex w/different partners every week? becuase if that's what you mean, that sort of answers itself, doesn't it?

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:14 (twenty-two years ago)

aren't qualified to write a sitcom about fag hags

Um. Ok. It's not a show about fag hags. Have you seen the show? It's ostensibly a show about NY women... just, you know women, dealing with relationships and sex and all that complicated stuff. Yet I know no one but a gay man or a willing-to-go-along-with-it fag hag who would write an entire ahow about ass-eating.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:15 (twenty-two years ago)

ahow = show

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:16 (twenty-two years ago)

the show's fun enough matos - if you like friends or coupling you'll like it probably, unless you can't bear sjp (it's a star vehicle)

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:16 (twenty-two years ago)

haha - um, did gay men or fag hags write chris rock's routing about tossed salads?

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:17 (twenty-two years ago)

It's a baffling show. Are there really people that rich? And with such poor taste? And why do they spend all their time working or dining out? No wonder they're screwed up.

The worst bit, though, is when that chick with no neck sits down at her laptop to write some kind of homespun philosophy about the nature of relationships. It's worese than Doogie Howser.

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:18 (twenty-two years ago)

For a second I thought you meant "friends or coupling" in a literal sense
(xpost)

― s1utsky (slutsky), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:19 (twenty-two years ago)

My girlfriend loves it, never misses it, however.

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I understand you don't value my opinion, Blount, but you don't have much of a point here, so lay off.

If you understand the... ahem... semiotics of the show, it's really quite funny to watch these "women" live out gay male lives.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:20 (twenty-two years ago)

someone who doesn't think sex and the city isn't a show about fag hags hasn't watched much sex and the city

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:21 (twenty-two years ago)

We may be approaching the same basic point from differnt directions.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Yet I know no one but a gay man or a willing-to-go-along-with-it fag hag who would write an entire ahow about ass-eating.

so I'm a gay man or a fag hag, then. news to me.

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:22 (twenty-two years ago)

hmmm. whichever could it be? ponder, ponder, ponder.

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:23 (twenty-two years ago)

You wrote an entire show about ass-eating?

― s1utsky (slutsky), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:23 (twenty-two years ago)

in a half-hour!

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Uh... so you would write an entire show about that? Because that's a personal issue to you? You get your ass eaten much, Matos?

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:24 (twenty-two years ago)

enough, yes. that a problem for you?

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:25 (twenty-two years ago)

heh. Truce. Ok, seriously, make a logical argument against me.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:26 (twenty-two years ago)

make a logical argument to begin with and we'll go from there

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:26 (twenty-two years ago)

This very thread reads like dialogue from Sex and the City. So maybe it is true to life after all.

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I've heard women talking about this kind of stuff for LOTS longer than a half-hour at a time. never understood what was so purportedly "shocking" about it (I'm not accusing anyone on this thread of being shocked, either, just some of the responses I've heard elsewhere)

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:28 (twenty-two years ago)

What don't you understand about "this show has nothing whatsoever to do with the real sex lives of women, despite its reputation"?

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:28 (twenty-two years ago)

kenan: have you watched the show? an entire episode devoted to this sexual/relationship practice/minutiae IS what the show is about when it's not veering into soap opera stuff. next weeks episode is about the appropriateness of breaking up with someone via post-it note for crying out loud!

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:29 (twenty-two years ago)

The part about "I, omnipotent Kenan, knows what every single woman's sex life is like"

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I've heard women talking about this kind of stuff for LOTS longer than a half-hour at a time

Again, we ,ay be on the same page. I have, too. What bugs me is that the picture is so incomplete, and it's content so non-shocking, and therefore so unrepresentative.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:30 (twenty-two years ago)

so it's a sexed-up Seinfeld?

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:30 (twenty-two years ago)

,ay = may

I am the world's wosrt typist.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I regularly hold old-fashioned salons with my girlfriends on the subject of ass-eating.

― Texas Sam (thatgirl), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:31 (twenty-two years ago)

so it's a sexed-up Seinfeld?

Absolutely. Written by gay men.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:31 (twenty-two years ago)

haha - Kenan, so you are saying that in reality women don't indulge in anallingus?

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:31 (twenty-two years ago)

but even to me as a nonviewer it doesn't seem like it's supposed to be representative of anything but these particular well-heeled white chicks in NYC. it's like saying Woody Allen movies are unrepresentative of Mexican-Americans or something.

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:32 (twenty-two years ago)

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"A series that's as much about one as the other, the wonderfully funny, touching and utterly genuine Sex and the City dares to portray real adults in a thoroughly realistic environment. Filmed in and around the streets of Manhattan, the show brings New York life--and specifically singles life--alive as no other has done before. Like its HBO stablemate The Sopranos, this is TV for grown-ups: frank and non-patronising, dizzyingly well written and devastatingly accurate in its characterisations."

― ron (ron), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:55 (twenty-two years ago)

haha - is that from the website?

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:56 (twenty-two years ago)

see, that's what I was curious about--I obviously don't read a lot of TV crit (or even plain reporting)

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:57 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.hbo.com/city/img/252x190/episodes/season05/ep67_girls.jpg

L to R: SJP, Miranda, Charlotte, Samantha

― Scaredy cat (Natola), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:57 (twenty-two years ago)

not the best picture

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 July 2003 05:58 (twenty-two years ago)

So, what Ron posted... does that mean Keenan was right? And if so, will there be an apology?

― Scaredy cat (Natola), Monday, 21 July 2003 06:00 (twenty-two years ago)

what episode was that from again?

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 July 2003 06:00 (twenty-two years ago)

ie. "who ya gonna believe - me? or your lyin eyes?"

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 July 2003 06:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Episode? Man, if you think I can tell from a still shot, you don't know me too well. I rarely even watch the repeats (but I do always catch the new ones).

― Scaredy cat (Natola), Monday, 21 July 2003 06:03 (twenty-two years ago)

that quote seems to be all over the web, primarily in places selling the dvd collections. i didn't put it there to prove anything - matos mentioned he hadn't read any such comments, so...

that pic really betrays the hotness of charlotte

― ron (ron), Monday, 21 July 2003 06:03 (twenty-two years ago)

it does

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 July 2003 06:04 (twenty-two years ago)

haha - here's how sad I am - I think that still's from last year's season premiere, the fleet week episode

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 July 2003 06:06 (twenty-two years ago)

eye of the tiger people!

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 July 2003 06:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Samantha's the hottest and I don't go for blonds or people who look like her. I just think the rest of 'em look too damn weird for some reason. Charlotte looks like a big-eyed dog on the verge of a breakdown (and I think she's a little cross-eyed or something). BTW, every time I see a picture of SJP now, all I can see is Dee Snider. Damn, that pisses me off!

― Scaredy cat (Natola), Monday, 21 July 2003 06:07 (twenty-two years ago)

b-b-b-but it makes her look plenty hot (i.e. cute and goofy and therefore extremely appealing) to me!

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 21 July 2003 06:07 (twenty-two years ago)

She looks like Ally McBeal with red hair in that photo.

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 21 July 2003 06:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Charlotte looks like a big-eyed dog

I didn't mean she looks like a "dog". I mean those little paintings of the big-eyed dogs. Her eyes look like that.

Like this: http://www.angelfire.com/ny/yorik/images/bigeye/gig/potatochip.jpg

http://www.angelfire.com/ny/yorik/images/bigeye/gig/potatochip.jpg

― Scaredy cat (Natola), Monday, 21 July 2003 06:12 (twenty-two years ago)

... proving that all discussion of women eventually turns to their looks... :)

― Scaredy cat (Natola), Monday, 21 July 2003 06:13 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, back to the intellectual tour de force which is sex and the city

― ron (ron), Monday, 21 July 2003 06:15 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, sorry, that's a bit embarrassing.

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 21 July 2003 06:15 (twenty-two years ago)

You know what's really embarassing to me about SATC? The men. A weaker, more pissant bunch of cardboard mush non-entities I have never seen.

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 21 July 2003 06:20 (twenty-two years ago)

that's men for ya!

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 July 2003 06:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Again, we see how clearly SATC taps into female sex fantasies.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 21 July 2003 06:31 (twenty-two years ago)

apparently having sex without taking off your bra is a common sex fantasy

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 July 2003 06:34 (twenty-two years ago)

that annoys me

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 July 2003 06:34 (twenty-two years ago)

er, cuz it makes the show less realistic

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 July 2003 06:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Of course it is! And everyone knows that to women, men are nothing more than sex objects. And if they're not, that's the way it should be. Equality, etc.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 21 July 2003 06:36 (twenty-two years ago)

SATC is just "The Mind of the Married Man" with better jokes.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 21 July 2003 06:36 (twenty-two years ago)

haha - much much much much much much much much much much much better jokes

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 July 2003 06:37 (twenty-two years ago)

and I think SatC is far from the best show on HBO

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 July 2003 06:37 (twenty-two years ago)

agreed.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 21 July 2003 06:37 (twenty-two years ago)

on both counts.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 21 July 2003 06:38 (twenty-two years ago)

are they gonna bring "mind of the married man" back? haven't seen mike binder et. al in any of the 'it's not television, it's hbo" promos

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 July 2003 06:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Sweet mercy. Didja ever notice that Bob Saget was one of the creators of that show?

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 21 July 2003 06:39 (twenty-two years ago)

MOTMM sucked from the start. A show about cheating on your wife. Yay. So realistic.

― Scaredy cat (Natola), Monday, 21 July 2003 06:40 (twenty-two years ago)

ha - when mike binder pops up as the guy tom cruise is destined to kill in minority report I thought "oooh, I like this movie"

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 July 2003 06:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Less interesting yet: a show about *thinking* about cheating on your wife. Worse yet: a show about a man who thinks about that with every woman he meets. You know, I think about cheating on a rare occasion, but it takes more than a pair of tits. I'm all complicated like that.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 21 July 2003 06:43 (twenty-two years ago)

it made me very sad to see a whit stillman alumni on that show

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 July 2003 06:44 (twenty-two years ago)

It's Whit Stillman's own fault. Where is he now?

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 21 July 2003 07:00 (twenty-two years ago)

HANG ON Kenan--do you see that your argument basically boils down to being anti-female-stereotype-holding-up by HOLDING UP A VERY STEREOTYPICAL VIEW OF WHAT GAY MEN ARE INTO??? Every single post of yours for the first half of the thread: "It's not about women. These are not real women! THEY ARE GAY MEN!" WTF? You're right! All gay men shop for shoes all day and have 8 million sexual partners!

Anyway if TV was accurate in any way, it'd not be TV anymore. I have Sex in the City dvds, Blount OTM about CHarlotte.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 July 2003 13:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Ally! Who gave you permission to post into the Man's Discussion Thread of what Single New York Women's Lives Are Really Like?!

― felicity (felicity), Monday, 21 July 2003 13:47 (twenty-two years ago)

The thing is, they don't know that we really ARE just like Sex in the City!! We're all really gay men!!!

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 July 2003 13:48 (twenty-two years ago)

i hate this show with everything I have. that Samantha drives me nuts.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 21 July 2003 13:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I like Sex and the City. So sue me. It's entertaining. It's funny how I'll refer to it and some people will be really shocked like it's the worst sin ever to watch a trashy tv show.

NA says he hates all the characters, except Miranda, but he still watches it with me sometimes.

On the topic of gay stereotypes, do we have a thread on Queer Eye for a Straight Guy yet???

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Monday, 21 July 2003 13:55 (twenty-two years ago)

(Sidenote: Just saw Manequinn again recently. Kim Cattrell dancing around as an Egyptian princess that reincarnates into a manequinn...!)

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Monday, 21 July 2003 13:56 (twenty-two years ago)

your argument basically boils down to being anti-female-stereotype-holding-up by HOLDING UP A VERY STEREOTYPICAL VIEW OF WHAT GAY MEN ARE INTO???

The thing is, they don't know that we really ARE just like Sex in the City!! We're all really gay men!!!

You see what you did there?

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 21 July 2003 13:57 (twenty-two years ago)

sssh, Ally, I'm not "out."

― felicity (felicity), Monday, 21 July 2003 13:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Kenan, do you take everything really literally and never understand when people are making fun of you? Like, you know, what I did just then?

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 July 2003 14:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Sarah, yeah we do have a thread on QEFTSG, Millar started it and then I posted to it a million times.

― teeny (teeny), Monday, 21 July 2003 14:33 (twenty-two years ago)

The cowboy hat gives it away, Mr. Redwell.

― bnw (bnw), Monday, 21 July 2003 14:34 (twenty-two years ago)

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