― dave q, Tuesday, 22 July 2003 08:35 (twenty-two years ago)
― Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 13:05 (twenty-two years ago)
Compound or no Compound, you're still dead.
― Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 13:09 (twenty-two years ago)
TS: sci-fi vs. non-fi. These past few years I've been finding both genres waay more interesting (and full of original ideas) than regular-fi.
― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 13:48 (twenty-two years ago)
― cybele (cybele), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 13:55 (twenty-two years ago)
― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 13:56 (twenty-two years ago)
― Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 14:10 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 15:35 (twenty-two years ago)
1. Never open a book with weather. The reader is apt to leaf ahead looking for people.
2. Avoid prologues. They can be annoying.
3. Never use a verb other than "said" to carry dialogue. The line of dialogue belongs to the character; the verb is the writer sticking his/her nose in.
4. Never use an adverb to modify "said." It can interrupt the rhythm of the exchange.
5. Keep your exclamation points under control. You are allowed no more than two or three per 100,000 words of prose.
6. Never use the words "suddenly" or "all hell broke loose."
7. Use regional dialect or patois sparingly. Once you start spelling words in dialogue phonetically and loading the page with apostrophes, you won't be able to stop.
8. Avoid detailed description of characters.
9. Don't go into great detail describing places and things, unless you're Margaret Atwood.
10. Try to leave out the part that readers tend to skip.
11. If it sounds like writing, rewrite it. If proper usage gets in the way, it may have to go.
― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 15:37 (twenty-two years ago)
― cybele (cybele), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 15:44 (twenty-two years ago)
I bet she does really nice descriptions ofthe countryside the infected are rampaging through though.
― Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)
4. Never use an adverb to modify "said." It can interrupt the rhythm of theexchange.
One of my journalism teachers told me the same thing. I agree with it, actually.
― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 16:35 (twenty-two years ago)
― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 16:54 (twenty-two years ago)
you fit into melike a hook and eye
a fish hookan open eye
it also applies to Odantjee(sp)
― anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 20:46 (twenty-two years ago)
― Bryan (Bryan), Tuesday, 22 July 2003 20:53 (twenty-two years ago)
― dave q, Monday, 4 August 2003 09:35 (twenty-two years ago)
These are the worst rules of writing that I've ever read in my life and I disagree with almost all of them. Except 5 and 6, everything else is utter rubbish.
Anyway, I just finished this book yesterday. I know that I'm two years out of date, but I would still like to talk about it. I guess I prefer to evaluate things for themselves after all the hype has gone away.
Generally, I like Atwood better as a fiction writer than a Sci-Fi writer. I think the Handmaid's Tale is fairly overrated. However, Oryx and Crake struck me as a better sci fi story.
― MIS Information (kate), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 08:13 (twenty years ago)
Hours before starting this book, I started and finished The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night Time, which I enjoyed, but not as much as I thought I should.
― marianna, Tuesday, 5 July 2005 08:56 (twenty years ago)
Situations will be explained, sometimes overexplained, but you are really left to draw your own conclusions about the actions that the protagonists take.
― MIS Information (kate), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 09:00 (twenty years ago)
― frankiemachine, Tuesday, 5 July 2005 09:16 (twenty years ago)
Blind Assassin is sitting in my "to read" pile.
I couldn't say which was my favourite. Surfacing was strange but amazing. I also couldn't put down The Robber Bride.
― MIS Information (kate), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 09:18 (twenty years ago)
― anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 09:37 (twenty years ago)
robert musil! you hack!
― N_RQ, Tuesday, 5 July 2005 09:41 (twenty years ago)
The character of Zenia marred TRB slightly for me. I don't think Atwood finally decided whether she was a "real" character (ie with the same ontological status as the other women) or a personification of the other characters' deepest anxieties; consequently she wasn't quite successful as either.
Alias Grace I didn't get at all. The story didn't interest me and Grace's proto feminism seemed anachronistic and forced: not because she thought women were as good as men, or that men conspired to deny it, or that some social values were thinly disguised misogyny, but because she thought these things using concepts and language that seemed jarringly inappropriate to her historical period, her education and her character.
― frankiemachine, Tuesday, 5 July 2005 10:15 (twenty years ago)
― MIS Information (kate), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 10:17 (twenty years ago)
I quite love this book. find it hard to put it down, which rarely happens with a novel these days. How are the other two 'sequels'?
― akm, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 21:01 (twelve years ago)
there are sequels?!
― the late great, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 21:02 (twelve years ago)
i love this book
― the late great, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 21:03 (twelve years ago)
i am 1/3 of the way through this at the moment and can't really seem to get over the hump where i have to make myself pick it up--but i'll keep plugging away.
― ryan, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 21:17 (twelve years ago)
JG Ballard - "Even the worst sci-fi is better than the best regular fi"
lol what is the source of this quote? cuz I think I kind of agree
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 21:19 (twelve years ago)
it's straight-up googleable, Shakey:
http://www.jgballard.ca/non_fiction/jgb_fictions.html
― mh, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 21:30 (twelve years ago)
yes there are two other books, Year of the Flood and Maddadam. They take place in the same world, don't think they revisit specific characters.
― akm, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 22:00 (twelve years ago)
YotF introduces a lot of new characters but expands on the main O&C story I think, and then Maddadam follows most of those YotF characters.
― festival culture (Jordan), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 22:23 (twelve years ago)
Darren Aronofsky to film an adaptation of Oryx and Crake, The Year of the Flood, and MaddAddam for HBO.
― panic disorder pixie (Sanpaku), Thursday, 5 June 2014 21:34 (twelve years ago)
so excited
― Mordy, Thursday, 5 June 2014 21:46 (twelve years ago)
That could actually be really really great. I loved the first two, never made it through Maddadam. Is it worth sticking with it?
― Brio2, Thursday, 5 June 2014 22:20 (twelve years ago)
somehow I doubt this will make it to screen
― Number None, Thursday, 5 June 2014 22:53 (twelve years ago)
I liked the first two books but Maddadam is kind of dragging now... There's nothing for these characters to do any more but sit around and reflect on the past and bicker among one another... There's an unconvincing romantic plot being forced on me too which I'm a bit concerned about. Hopefully it'll pick up by the end.
― monoprix à dimanche (dog latin), Monday, 8 September 2014 13:53 (eleven years ago)
Where does the "oon" part of the pigoon come from? Baboon?
― Hakeem Olajuwon Howard (Leee), Thursday, 25 September 2014 23:37 (eleven years ago)
raccoon i thought?
― zip it shrimpy (dog latin), Friday, 26 September 2014 00:18 (eleven years ago)
Really? I guess they didn't want to let the other half go to waste after creating the rakunks.
― pig∞n (Leee), Friday, 26 September 2014 00:34 (eleven years ago)
man i want to see real pigoons
― akm, Friday, 26 September 2014 06:58 (eleven years ago)
xpost, it's just my assumption. i don't think it's ever explained.
― zip it shrimpy (dog latin), Friday, 26 September 2014 08:16 (eleven years ago)
Mystery solved!
Pig + balloons = balloons.
From Year of the Flood.
― TAKING SIDES: HUMANS VS. GUACAMOLEEE (Leee), Saturday, 6 December 2014 00:15 (eleven years ago)
Pig + balloons = balloons pigoons.
Well I'll be.
― dive inside water and you will know (dog latin), Saturday, 6 December 2014 00:25 (eleven years ago)
Finished MaddAddam earlier this week, loved it. Funny thing is how romanticized it and Year of the Flood make the GGs, like I'm now having daydreams about living off the grid as an expert mycologist or something.
― Baruch Olbermann (Leee), Saturday, 27 December 2014 03:29 (eleven years ago)
http://www.reddit.com/r/books/comments/2qprzk/i_am_margaret_atwood_author_of_the_handmaids_tale/
― Baruch Olbermann (Leee), Monday, 29 December 2014 23:25 (eleven years ago)