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― Spoonered, Monday, 28 July 2003 13:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I have to hurt you now.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 28 July 2003 13:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Why don't you ask your mom? Boo-yah!

― NA (Nick A.), Monday, 28 July 2003 13:59 (twenty-two years ago)

it could only be posed by one man. missing mum spoonfed?

― Chris Radford (Chris Radford), Monday, 28 July 2003 14:03 (twenty-two years ago)

In the good old world of ILE such things do not occur and therefore this thread is irrelevant and evil and should not be taken seriously. Bad Spooner!

― Spoonered, Monday, 28 July 2003 14:06 (twenty-two years ago)

he wouldn't dare start a thread like this about asylum seekers or refugees....or would he?

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 28 July 2003 14:06 (twenty-two years ago)

"Recent research has confirmed once again that there is no evidence that teenage lone parents get pregnant to get housing and benefits. Most have little knowledge of housing or social security policy before getting pregnant and often what they do know turns out to be wrong."
Allen I and Bourke-Dowling S (1998) Teenage Mothers: Decisions and Outcomes, Policy Studies Institute

Quoted in One-Parent Families Today: The Facts available from http://www.oneparentfamilies.org.uk

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 28 July 2003 14:06 (twenty-two years ago)

young tories = young republicans

SHOCKAH!

― Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 28 July 2003 14:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh come on, sure they do!

― Spoonered, Monday, 28 July 2003 14:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Surely you're not suggesting that demonising the vulnerable is a *bad* thing, JtN?

― Tim (Tim), Monday, 28 July 2003 14:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I've known some cases that did - was I dreaming and did it not actually occur? I need to know.

― Spoonered, Monday, 28 July 2003 14:10 (twenty-two years ago)

So what if they did? It wouldn't be an issue if there was enough bloody housing in the first place.

― RickyT (RickyT), Monday, 28 July 2003 14:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Let's try to think about what's on Li'l Miss About-To-Be-With-Child's mind at the time of the conception. Could it be...

A) ...oh, right then, if this bloke gets me pregnant I'll get housing benefits quicker than others (even though this is actually NOT how it works), is that right?

or?

B) ...OH GOD YES DON'T STOP OH PLEASE DON'T STOP!!!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 28 July 2003 14:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Teen pregnancies and thus getting on housing benefit lists quicker than anyone else... classic/ dud
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Well?
-- Spoonered (spoonere...), July 28th, 2003. (later)
Answers
I have to hurt you now.
-- Ned Raggett (ne...), July 28th, 2003. (Ned) (later)
Why don't you ask your mom? Boo-yah!
-- NA (emmaa...), July 28th, 2003. (Nick A.) (later)
it could only be posed by one man. missing mum spoonfed?
-- Chris Radford (radford_chri...), July 28th, 2003. (Chris Radford) (later)
In the good old world of ILE such things do not occur and therefore this thread is irrelevant and evil and should not be taken seriously. Bad
Spooner!
-- Spoonered (spoonere...), July 28th, 2003. (later)
he wouldn't dare start a thread like this about asylum seekers or refugees....or would he?
-- stevem (bluesk...), July 28th, 2003. (blueski) (later)
"Recent research has confirmed once again that there is no evidence that teenage lone parents get pregnant to get housing and benefits. Most
have little knowledge of housing or social security policy before getting pregnant and often what they do know turns out to be wrong."
Allen I and Bourke-Dowling S (1998) Teenage Mothers: Decisions and Outcomes, Policy Studies Institute
Quoted in One-Parent Families Today: The Facts available from http://www.oneparentfamilies.org.uk
-- Jerry the Nipper (jerrythenippe...), July 28th, 2003. (Jerrynipper) (later)
young tories = young republicans
SHOCKAH!
-- Tad (llamasfu...), July 28th, 2003. (llamasfur) (later)
Oh come on, sure they do!
-- Spoonered (spoonere...), July 28th, 2003. (later)
Surely you're not suggesting that demonising the vulnerable is a *bad* thing, JtN?
-- Tim (hopkinsti...), July 28th, 2003. (Tim) (later)
I've known some cases that did - was I dreaming and did it not actually occur? I need to know.
-- Spoonered (spoonere...), July 28th, 2003. (later)

So what if they did? It wouldn't be an issue if there was enough bloody housing in the first place.
-- RickyT (boyofbadger...)
Let's try to think about what's on Li'l Miss About-To-Be-With-Child's mind at the time of the conception. Could it be...
A) ...oh, right then, if this bloke gets me pregnant I'll get housing benefits quicker than others (even though this is actually NOT how it works),
is that right?
or?
B) ...OH GOD YES DON'T STOP OH PLEASE DON'T STOP!!!
-- nickalicious (nza2342...)

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Well?
-- Spoonered (spoonere...), July 28th, 2003. (later)
Answers
I have to hurt you now.
-- Ned Raggett (ne...), July 28th, 2003. (Ned) (later)
Why don't you ask your mom? Boo-yah!
-- NA (emmaa...), July 28th, 2003. (Nick A.) (later)
it could only be posed by one man. missing mum spoonfed?
-- Chris Radford (radford_chri...), July 28th, 2003. (Chris Radford) (later)
In the good old world of ILE such things do not occur and therefore this thread is irrelevant and evil and should not be taken seriously. Bad
Spooner!
-- Spoonered (spoonere...), July 28th, 2003. (later)
he wouldn't dare start a thread like this about asylum seekers or refugees....or would he?
-- stevem (bluesk...), July 28th, 2003. (blueski) (later)
"Recent research has confirmed once again that there is no evidence that teenage lone parents get pregnant to get housing and benefits. Most
have little knowledge of housing or social security policy before getting pregnant and often what they do know turns out to be wrong."
Allen I and Bourke-Dowling S (1998) Teenage Mothers: Decisions and Outcomes, Policy Studies Institute
Quoted in One-Parent Families Today: The Facts available from http://www.oneparentfamilies.org.uk
-- Jerry the Nipper (jerrythenippe...), July 28th, 2003. (Jerrynipper) (later)
young tories = young republicans
SHOCKAH!
-- Tad (llamasfu...), July 28th, 2003. (llamasfur) (later)
Oh come on, sure they do!
-- Spoonered (spoonere...), July 28th, 2003. (later)
Surely you're not suggesting that demonising the vulnerable is a *bad* thing, JtN?
-- Tim (hopkinsti...), July 28th, 2003. (Tim) (later)
I've known some cases that did - was I dreaming and did it not actually occur? I need to know.
-- Spoonered (spoonere...), July 28th, 2003. (later)

So what if they did? It wouldn't be an issue if there was enough bloody housing in the first place.
-- RickyT (boyofbadger...)
Let's try to think about what's on Li'l Miss About-To-Be-With-Child's mind at the time of the conception. Could it be...
A) ...oh, right then, if this bloke gets me pregnant I'll get housing benefits quicker than others (even though this is actually NOT how it works),
is that right?
or?
B) ...OH GOD YES DON'T STOP OH PLEASE DON'T STOP!!!

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 28 July 2003 14:17 (twenty-two years ago)

EXACTLY, NICK!

― Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 28 July 2003 14:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Either way when 16 year olds with prams act like its the best thing ever it's a bit fucking frustrating isn't it?

― Spoonered, Monday, 28 July 2003 14:18 (twenty-two years ago)

What, are you envious? Do you want prams? And what are "prams" anyway?

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 28 July 2003 14:20 (twenty-two years ago)

c) I wonder what's on TV?

― NA (Nick A.), Monday, 28 July 2003 14:20 (twenty-two years ago)

HA! Nick you're the mang!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 28 July 2003 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)

see, this is the thing that's always annoyed/confused me about when right-wing crackpots talk about the poor and unfortunate. one moment, they say that they're too "stupid" and "lazy" to get or hold down jobs (or live lives like white conservatives do). the next moment, they say how they come up with all of these ingenious schemes to get public housing, welfare, unemployment, whatever -- including deliberately and cold-heartedly getting themselves pregnant.

anyone else see the contradiction here?

― Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 28 July 2003 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Not really, Tad. I know when my parents needed public assistance, it was actually an elaborate scheme by my mom to scam the man and get that $5k a year salary from the government, I'm surprised I don't have MORE sisters, crafty beyotch.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 28 July 2003 14:30 (twenty-two years ago)

OK so I posted this as a gag knowing the response but since we're discussing it...

I fucking hate conservatism, but I don't think you need to be a genius to figure out that getting preggers = housing and more benefit. As I say, I know for a FACT that people have/ continue to do this. Not everyone, but cases exist and not all of them are poor and unfortunate, some are in fact the sort you WOULD be very frustrated by. I'd rather see more money and support going into thos escaping persecution and claiming asylum...

― Spoonered, Monday, 28 July 2003 14:33 (twenty-two years ago)

The cases of this that actually exist are so miniscule. Why not discuss the cases of elderly with plenty of cash who get decent social security benefits as well, we should probably do away with all of it because of those 10 people. Also did anyone see that episode of Cribs or whatever when ODB got all those food stamps! MADNESS!

FYI in 98.999% of all cases, government assistance (from something as simple as unemployment on up) really doesn't give you enough money to come close to living on.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 28 July 2003 14:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Epistemologists to thread; "...Most have little knowledge of housing or social security policy before getting pregnant and often what they do know turns out to be wrong..."

If it's wrong, do they really know it? Eh? Eh?

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 28 July 2003 14:41 (twenty-two years ago)

the more benefits a society has to help the underpriviledged and kerb inequality then the more people will scam those benefits. the less you have, the less people will scam off them. if you remove all benefits then no people will scam at all. i would not, however, want to live in such a society.

in other words, is it a price worth paying? or perhaps it is better to remove benefits in order to stop scammers?

― gareth (gareth), Monday, 28 July 2003 14:41 (twenty-two years ago)

But answer this question - are you fine and dandy about 16/ 17 year old girls with kids?

Really?

― Spoonered, Monday, 28 July 2003 14:43 (twenty-two years ago)

if 4% of a subsection are offenders, and 96% are genuine, and you were the owner of a newspaper and wanted to improve market-share, how would you present such figures?

― gareth (gareth), Monday, 28 July 2003 14:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Obviously high school girls with children is a bad idea. However, having children young does not inherently make a person bad NOR does it automatically equate with being on welfare--I knew quite a lot of girls whose parents were pretty well off who had children at 17/18 and never even fathomed public assistance.

Being stupid and getting pregnant is not exactly entirely the realm of the underclass, you realize.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 28 July 2003 14:45 (twenty-two years ago)

The fact that some people scam scoial security is not a reason to scrap social security - it certainly does not follow in any logical fashion. I for one think that if someone did deliberately attempt to get pregnant to move up the housing list gets all they deserve when they get a house which has a random noise generator which it is often impossible to shut up that you have to look after like all the time and can't go out to clubs and stuff with. Cos as well all know, looking after kids is the easy way out in our society.

― Pete (Pete), Monday, 28 July 2003 14:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Abortions for all!

(boo!)

Abortions for none!

(boo!)

Abortions for some, and for others, miniature American flags!

(yay!)

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 28 July 2003 14:46 (twenty-two years ago)

16 and 17 year olds with kids? well, there were quite a few in my class with kids from this age up, in common with many school classes across the country. i didnt understand it personally, no (although i must note that it seemed to be 50% split between working class kids and lower middle class kids, and in both cases there did at least appear to be some kind of family support network).

so, no, you are right, i wasnt overly keen, perhaps the age of consent is too low? but then, no, i think the age of consent is about right, maybe a year too high, (its lower in much of europe of course). but im not sure my personal ambivalence to 16 year old mums social situation should count for that much. should the existence of a few colour my view of the social situation as an abstract?

― gareth (gareth), Monday, 28 July 2003 14:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Being stupid and getting pregnant isn't exactly entirely the realm of the young either. You can be 30 and pregrant and still be a completely irresponsible moron.

― NA (Nick A.), Monday, 28 July 2003 14:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd rather see more money and support going into thos escaping persecution and claiming asylum...

it would appear that certain immigrants are just as bad as certain teenage (or older) mothers at milking the benefits system unjustly - a minority i'm sure, but Panorama last week highlighted at least one example.

so are you going to start a thread about them as well Spoonered?

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 28 July 2003 14:48 (twenty-two years ago)

yes, i have some difficulty with the idea of having kids as an easy way out. it looks pretty tough to me, and is of course something you are saddled with, pretty much. i cant help but feel there are much better ways to get yourself an easy life. surely the impetuousness of youth is a much larger factor? some mistakes are bigger than others

― gareth (gareth), Monday, 28 July 2003 14:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Again, I posted this knowing you'd all go a bit wild. I'm in full agreement of course, I will always argue in favour of state benefits and a welfare state, these things that America could still learn a little from eh? I just thought maybe someone might want to admit that teen pregnancy is a pretty dire situation and those that are in that situation and choose to celebrate it (and, again, I say this through professional experience and not newspapers - although fair enough if some of you can say the same) are a problem and one that should be acknowledged.

P.S. Panorama last week showed to me why our asylum policies are a mess, they did not, however, make me feel anything but sadness for anyone genuine entering the country. I don't think wanting to look into either subject makes you overly conservative or liberal or whatever.

― Spoonered, Monday, 28 July 2003 14:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, there are plenty of teenage mothers who think it's the greatest thing ever--this has very little to do with housing or financial benefits.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 28 July 2003 14:52 (twenty-two years ago)

if the above is true, what kind of society do we have where having kids early is seen as a way out?

what percentage of teen pregnancies do you believe are orchestrated with the specific intention of claiming benefits?

― gareth (gareth), Monday, 28 July 2003 14:53 (twenty-two years ago)

From experience a lot.

Sad but true.

I've had people, professional people, tell me their benefit should be removed, and i've said that is facist. It is... the child should have the best upbringing possible. I don't know what the answer is, I only posted this as a joke thread and it's gotten serious.

― Spoonered, Monday, 28 July 2003 14:55 (twenty-two years ago)

wow for the £130 - £150 a week that kids bring in it seems like a real tough job and in no way an easy opt out, my job is tough and it knackers me out after 7.5 hours, my neophews are even harder and tire me out after 5 mins - im sure even you spoonered can do the math on that one

― james (james), Monday, 28 July 2003 14:59 (twenty-two years ago)

That's life - what starts out as a joke often becomes - upon reflection - deadly serious. Its a lesson I've learned.

― Pete (Pete), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I only posted this as a joke thread and it's gotten serious

is that a moment of clarity spoonered?

― james (james), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:02 (twenty-two years ago)

ha ha pete!

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe teenagers just get pregnant for a joke.

Spoonered - posting something to get a predictable rise out of people is very predictable and as such, is not a very good joke.

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:03 (twenty-two years ago)

And I hate conservatives who prefer to believe one anecdote that happens to support their position and deny research that contradicts it.

― j.lu (j.lu), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:06 (twenty-two years ago)

N. - I don't think you're in a position to tell anybody what does and what doesn't constitute a good joke.

Maybe teenagers get pregnant for the same reasons as other people, because they like babies. (or what they occasionally see as a cute little bundle of pinkness).

I wonder where you are meeting all these people Spoonered. The dole queue* or in schools, in which case do you really know them that well. Are you a father? Perhaps the opinion they put forward is cocky bravefaciness.COnsidering 16-17 year olds often already have somewhere to live (their parents) it seems odd thatthey are this desperate.

― Pete (Pete), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Pete - test me on joke assessments.

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:10 (twenty-two years ago)

*Cheap shot.

WHat are the only two acceptible answeres to "What is brown and sticky" N,?

― Pete (Pete), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:12 (twenty-two years ago)

shaq's cock

― Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:13 (twenty-two years ago)

it almost seems like Spoonered is trying to insinuate he got several really attractive girls up the duff, and they annoyed him by all keeping the babies and living off benefits...almost...

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Whatever Spoonered's job is, it obviously puts him in contact with lots of questionable people judging by the amount of times he has posted a somewhat conservativist Rush Limbaugh style thread, gotten called out, only to reply "But this is my JOB." I'm just going to assume he's a counselor for troubled teenagers until he actually explains otherwise, which makes it quite sketchy that he's going to use his experience with a very specified focus group as a generalization for all teenagers ever.

Most teens who have children have them because they are stupid, impressionable, desperate and want something cute to love them. Or at least, my experience as a teenager with lots and lots of teen mother friends showed me this. They didn't think it was great because they were going to go apply for welfare. They thought it was great because babies are so cute etc.

N.B. babies are not fucking cute, ugh.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Ally once again - where's the love

BABIES RULE

― james (james), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I just don't like babies much. Obviously I would make a bad welfare scammer :(

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:18 (twenty-two years ago)

babies do not rule

― gareth (gareth), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I completely agree with Ally; there was a rash of pregnancies in my high school after one girl got pregnant and all of her friends decided that they wanted a cute little baby, too.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:19 (twenty-two years ago)

babies do rule, in fact Gareth they RULE THE SCHOOL

― james (james), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Pete, you will have to present me with the choices and I will pick the two winners. I never claimed to be able to tell jokes.

I love babies and would have one at the drop of a hat.

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:20 (twenty-two years ago)

N. needs to read his Where Do Babies Come From? book again.

― Archel (Archel), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:22 (twenty-two years ago)

ally rulz ... i will pay for her meal at the next NYC/Wayne, NJ red lobster FAP for her last post!

― Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:22 (twenty-two years ago)

(Psst N, the correct answers are "a stick" and "your mom after a scat party")

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Why teens get pregnant: ever heard of religion? I don't about UK/USA, but here in Finland religious beliefs (no contraceptives/no abortion) are probably the number one reason for teenage pregnancies. Luckily, they're still highly rare (birth control education seems to work here).

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:23 (twenty-two years ago)

N., you should have babies with my sister, they'd be cartoons. I'll sell her to you for $25.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Tuomas, I would agree if most of the girls I know who got pregnant had been Catholic. Most of them were Lutherans.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Nordic teenage mums get $$$ benefits, yes?

Ally, I will send sperm fluid in the post.

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:25 (twenty-two years ago)

And people were worried about anthrax!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:26 (twenty-two years ago)

religion causes pregnancy over here, too. or, closer to the truth, religious fanatics hellbent on cramming their beliefs down other peoples' throats or with a major stick up their asses about not being "offended" cause pregnancies because they prevent schools from teaching proper sex education classes or telling kids about contraceptives (because such education offends their religious sensibilities).

― Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:26 (twenty-two years ago)

religion causes pregnancy over here, too.

I want this on a t-shirt.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:27 (twenty-two years ago)

OK, what religion is the one where unmarried sex is a tenent? Because I'd like to sign up for it.

Actually, I'm missing the concept that it is possible that there was also a rash of teen marriage in all these towns. What's the matter with kids today, don't they know responsibility is for chumps? Next there will be a rash of teen jobs.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Nordic teenage mums get $$$ benefits, yes?

All mums get child support benefits around here. It's called "welfare state". So no point in getting pregnant as a teenager.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:28 (twenty-two years ago)

"JESUS PUT A BUN IN MY OVEN"

― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:28 (twenty-two years ago)

what i meant, and should have said more clearly, is that people's religious beliefs keep teenagers help to keep teenagers ignorant about pregnancy and contraception.

― Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:29 (twenty-two years ago)

This is one of the reasons I'm happy to live in a fairly secular country. At least have proper sex education in schools.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:31 (twenty-two years ago)

It's too late now, Tad! God is Zeus in funny mask! LADIES BEWARE THE RANDY SHOWER OF COINS etc.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:31 (twenty-two years ago)

"At least WE have.."

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:31 (twenty-two years ago)

"JESUS PUT A BUN IN MY OVEN"

Hot cross buns at that. But what made the frosting?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah...about the frosting...I wouldn't eat that.

― NA (Nick A.), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:37 (twenty-two years ago)

You all find this so amusing but I'm sure Mary was pretty pissed off when God did that to her, plus no welfare back then, wtf.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Dude, that's what happens when you eat God's bun frosting.

― NA (Nick A.), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:47 (twenty-two years ago)

howard stern got in trouble with a skit called "virgin mary donkey kong." the object of the game was to take mary to a jerusalem singles' bar and not have her come out preggers.

― Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 28 July 2003 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Also did anyone see that episode of Cribs or whatever when ODB got all those food stamps! MADNESS!

Are you serious?

In America if people want to get serious about battling teen pregnancy rates then let's give them comprehensive sexual education. Teach them about contraception and actually discuss sex with them openly and honestly so they won't develop misconceptions that could lead them to having sex too soon and for the wrong reasons.

― Texas Sam (thatgirl), Monday, 28 July 2003 16:11 (twenty-two years ago)

this could be done with the help of Stuart The Stork

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 28 July 2003 16:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha yeah, I"m dead serious, ODB was using his food stamps on camera, it was great and terrifying at the same time.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 28 July 2003 16:36 (twenty-two years ago)

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