Flash websites - Dead or what?

Its Lil Pimp. In cinemas near you soon.

Flash often = design mad web techies, that piss about with about the latest graphics and have absolute no business sense/ acumen/ knowledge !

e.g the new official killing joke website launched a few months back

Killing Joke
http://www.killingjoke.com/

No Meta Tags
No Page Rank
No text on the front page
No google placing...on.. killing joke official website

Ahem.

DJ Martian I respect your opinion on a lot of things but web design is not among them. ;)

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&q=killing+joke+official+website

just done another killing Joke - search and no top place.

http://googledance.seochat.com/

Yes, Tom but the company has not implented any search engine optimisation strategies as I oultined earlier. [No Meta Tags, No typical keywords and information about Killing Joke on the front page]

another example

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&q=killing+joke+new+album

Yeah... 2 advanced... for me to poop on!

1. UI, often users coming to flash sites must learn navigation all over again because there are different design limitations on flash developers.

2. Development time is longer and more expensive (especially to maintain) for most flash sites.

Otherwise, I like the more low-key presense of recent flash stuff: banners ads etc. Also, flash sites for motion pictures don't bother me at all as far as labyrnthine navigation goes - part of the mystique of the picture I guess.

i'd like to think it has a future. if not, then i've learnt NO marketable skill from my fine arts degree. i make animated films using final cut pro and flash. it's got it's uses, and if you're aware of its limits and strengths and work within and towards those, i think you can still produce some interesting results. that said, i intensely dislike most flash animation.

It's funny, though, how Flash is so much more of an annoyance to me than Java. I've never felt the need to turn off Java loading on my browser so my computer wouldn't go into crash mode, whereas Flash will occasionally make my computer do odd things that make me end up having to give my computer a long rest.

Flash that's used to be a clever substitute for a normal hyper-linked document and nothing more is so over.

http://www.triptych04.com/

On a side note, this is a prime example of a website that uses Macromedia Flash badly:

>> hideous split screen design
>> ghastly use of small text
>> a useless scrolling section for some sections
and the most inappropriate use of macromedia flash that I have seen for some considerable time.

This results in:

Bad information design, poor usability and due to the use of flash - poor performance for search engine optimisation, and finally there is no quick backwards navigation in the artists section due to flash.

This Triptych Festival website has set the benchmark - of how NOT to design a website in 2004.

arggh. doesn't render at all well. takes an age to appear (hate to think how it would look on dialup). gives me javascript errors. scrollwheel no longer works. and all so they can put an animated background on it. hurrah.

how can i download flash content from the bbc website? in particular this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00j4bkq/Rob_da_Bank_and_friends_The_A_to_Z_of_the_Pet_Shop_Boys/

i've got that UnPlug plugin for Firefox, and DTA but neither of these do anything. i've even tried that 'view selection source' and looked for something downloadable but no joy, is it even possible? one option is to use totalrecorder to record the entire thing, but that means leaving it playing for the full two hours, is there an easier way?

get_iplayer

http://linuxcentre.net/getiplayer/installation/

or iplayer grabber for os x -

http://fader.co.uk/post/iPlayer-Grabber-the-iPlayer-downloader-for-Mac-OS-X.aspx

thanks koogs, im finding that program incredibly difficult to navigate though. what would i type in to find this PSB show? is there anything out there more userfriendly, like a firefox plugin that can do this?

ah thanks tracer, is there anything like that for windows?

ok found a blog with that show on: http://no-rockstars.blogspot.com/2009/03/rob-da-bank-and-friends-on-bbc-radio-1.html
but my original question still stands, is there an easyish-to-use plugin/program out there that can download embedded audio/video from the bbc site? or any other website out there that doesn't respond well to UnPlug or DTA

can't speak for the windows version (which is new to me) but the cygwin version goes something like

./get_iplayer --type=radio bank (which will download all the index and show you things matching 'bank')

then

./get_iplayer --type=radio -g xxxx (where xxxx is the number next to the result you got in the first place)

occasionally it won't find the iphone file and will try and download the actual stream. in which case i find it easier to add --raw on the end so i get the .ra stream and not a wav of the stream (too much space) or an mp3 of the wav (too much hassle). and just play the .ra in realaudio.

yes, it's a faff, but all my old realaudio stream bookmarks are now failing.

(am listening to it now, as it happens. not sure i'm enjoying it though...)

Can't stop watching Mr. Yellow Dancer: http://www.poolworld.com/

It was creepy/jarring when the whole thing went back to the beginning. I thought those kids were gonna go around in circles forever.

RIP

http://i.imgur.com/Lr0te.gif

who's that

me irl

I love Apple's stance on open web standards and not developing websites that depend on bandwidth-hogging, processor-intensive proprietary plug-ins like Flash, instead utilizing HTML5 to create a seamless experience that works in any browser on any operating system.

http://i.imgur.com/HrkAA.png

You cynic

http://www.themaclawyer.com/uploads/image/Steve%20Jobs%20vs_%20Flash.png

*pats Flash on head*

http://www.sesamestreet.org/sesamestreet-theme/images/custom/noflash/no_flash_player_break.jpg

http://images.wikia.com/marvel_dc/images/5/51/Flash_v.1_171.jpg

I had made so many Flash websites with Flash 5 and then a few years ago tried to load them up, and new Flash players wouldn't play them right. Buttons linked outside of the frame failed to work, navigation was a total disaster. I don't know why, i guess they changed the code or something, but none of my old websites work anymore and it really made creating a portfolio site showcasing my work into a non-deal.

Is there some kind of code or something you can put it in run the Flash player in classic mode or something? The idea of rebuilding these sites with the newer Action Script does NOT sound like a good time.

maybe try http://code.google.com/p/swfobject/

thats assuming the problem is with the outdated embed code in the html and not the outdated actionscript in the file

Just to be clear, Adobe has axed Flash for mobile devices but is keeping on with development on the PC version. But I doubt there'll be much developers writing for Flash anymore given that smartphones and iPads/tablets won't be albe to access it.

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Adobe ending Flash support at the end of 2020
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Adobe to kill off Flash plug-in by 2020

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Flash will still work on the websites that still employ it as long as you don't update your browser... ... ... ... ... .. ... Right?

Need to get Brian Blessed in to say "Flash is Dead!!"

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yes, it should; but pinning a browser is a real pain. I just oversaw a project at work that involved updating the UI of an internal tool to remove all the flash (they built it in flash/flex for some goddamned reason a few years ago) and one of the proposals to avoid doing this was pinning browsers for an entire internal team (which was deemed a security risk and also an incredible pain in the ass so we didn't do it)

Our banner ad service runs on Flash. Finally - like in November - they let us know they've got an HTML5 version going. Checked it out and it looks like Cyberpunk 1877. Emailed a dozen items wrong with it to them, and they were like, "say. Maybe keep an old copy of Firefox on hand just in case, dig?"

gotta love it when "s/w of the future" is buried.
i used to work for a s/w house that decided to rebuild their main market leading product in silverlight.
no sooner was it good to go when MS pulled the plug.
a rewrite in HTML literally killed the company as replicating the functionality in HTML5 proved to be very costly
- and took years of development costs hence several takeovers/redundancies (hello) etc.
in fact, the HTML5 version i believe still has nowhere near the depth as the original silverlight version, meaning that there are customers still using old browsers just for their application.

We had our entire training course for Pension on Flash. We knew about the deadline all year. Although we came close to creating a new Flashless version, we didn't quite finish in time.

Given that we have multiple partner sites who may have newer versions of Firefox since we can't control their software, really hope nobody needs to take the course til Feb

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Flash and the Spam.