Internet Explorer really is a pile of shit isn't it?

I had a frustrating experience when going to wayyy to much trouble to make a site lay out nicely using DIVs, DHTML and CSS, only to realize that on this campus, tons of people use Netscape. Not Netscape 7! Oh, no! They already upgraded three years ago, and they're still using a version of Netscape 4!

See, I HATE using tables for layout... after realizing how much potential there is w/DHTML and CSS, I just can't do it. So I usually give up and make a banner using a small table, and don't use a three column layout. If I ever do a personal website it'll just have a big warning about NOT expecting it to look right if you haven't upgraded your browser in several years.

CSS on the Windows version of IE actually shows a modicum of logic by comparison, but nothing beats the standards compliance of an open source-based browser.

The KHTML engine used in Safari is lovely, but the application (ie. the part where Apple comes in) itself is a bit unstable. I never thought I'd say it, but I actually like something that the KDE project has produced.

My favourite Windows browser is Mozilla Firebird (formerly Phoenix). This sucker was my workhorse 8+ hours a day for over a year until I switched to the Mac. Sadly the OS X version of Firebird is practically unusable (or was the last time I downloaded a nightly binary about a month ago).

Does this mean we have to love them?

IE seems to get confused about where the stuff is stored, and what should be kept and what chucked. The cache seems to be useless unless it's set at 200MB+.

When I delete everything in Temporary Internet Files - and I have to do this yourself if I want it done properly, rather than just clicking 'Delete Files' from Tools/Options - the New Answers pages automatically refresh every time I look at them. Which suits me, actually. But then, after a couple of days, they'll get caught at one particular moment which won't change. So right now, for instance, I go to ILE New Answers & first on list is "disturb the pillars of capitalism (244 new answers, last at 11:14 pm, 1 unread)". I refresh, click on a link, go back and it's that same list again.

Try downloading a new build... Tonight's (July 30) build is pretty rockin.

Does this mean we have to love them?

Do I know you?

Where the fuck has the horizontal scroll bar gone on my Iframe?? It works in Firefox :(

Fucking piss wank shitbag

ie6 crashes my work pc (I have to use winblows at work, no choice) and ie7 isn't compatible with the timesheeting software we have to use.

We're a fucking Solaris shop. I don't know why we can't use Sol10 or Ubuntu or something that WORKS on the clients.

At least we're not saddled with Vista, I suppose.

IE is not really a pile of shit; it is a pile of virtual shit. The code for a real pile of shit would have to be written in e. coli instead of C++.

I got that problem sorted in the end I had to set the height & width to 93% to get the scrollbars to show for some reason.

Now if anyone knows how to get javascript to submit a form in an iframe in IE, please to revive this thread on Monday morning and tell me (again, it works in Firefox).

Fucking piss wank shitbag

rofl

I just had to take everything non-essential off of my work laptop, including firefox. Good god does explorer suck balls.

Try IE8 beta. It's not great, but it's better than everything before it.

yet another reason to switch to firefox

hackers infect legitimate sites

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9068402

this latest hack is pretty scary cuz it's infecting sites like archive.org, the world clock at timeanddate.com, and medicare.gov.

activex and javascript need to be outlawed

good idea, unfortunately it would break half of the internet at this point

I just had to take everything non-essential off of my work laptop, including firefox. Good god does explorer suck balls.

Good grief! What kind of asinine IT department do you have to suffer with?

haha yeah not even the government sucks that hard

good idea, unfortunately it would break half of the internet at this point

this latest hack is pretty scary cuz it's infecting sites like archive.org, the world clock at timeanddate.com, and medicare.gov.

Likely relying on an automated tool to do the dirty work, the hackers add IFrame code to the saved search results on the sites, Greenbaum said. The next visitor that uses the search tool is then redirected to another Web site by the IFrame code. The second site in turn puts up a message telling the user that a new codec (coder/decoder) needs to be installed. Accepting the codec takes the user to still another site, which actually hosts the malware -- a new variant of the Zlob Trojan horse -- and installs it on the victim's PC.

Yet another exploit targeting only the most gullible.

At some point people have to either wise up or get a refund on the PC.

haha yeah like those idiots in the lower ninth ward who didn't leave when the mayor told them to.

hey I have an idea, how about if you're dumb you just stop breathing lol

I'm sorry but blaming users for believing the same kind of shit apple, imdb, adobe, microsoft, realmedia et al et al et al are always spitting out in the service of showbusiness is irresponsible at best

I like how loads of malware operators now are going strictly after MMORPG accounts though, safe in the knowledge that no FBI agent is going to lift a finger to help some poor bastard who's complaining that all his lindendollars are gone or his 70 blood elf paladin has been stripped bare

tombot is talking some sense here

I've seen this iframe attack in the wild and it's pretty evil. you get to a legit site from google, legit site has a frame and tries to load a video, you get a standard windows messagebox asking to load a codec. unless you're in the industry most peeps will just say sure, why not, OK.

attack fails on firefox, tho. good luck hurting!

actually I was just thinking the MMORPG thing is pretty great for us. It's like an internet Hamsterdam - at least for the time being

There's a bit of a diff between having noplace to shelter and being unwise about PC usage. Especially in terms of the relative consequences.

Besides, get a mac lol.

This is just like social security, really. We just have to wait for a couple generations to kick it and then all will be well.

http://blogs.iss.net/archive/SecurityErgonomics.html

Microsoft themselves are recommending that if you are a PC user and use IE, you should switch to another browser until a serious security flaw has been fixed.

thirtieth verse, same as the first.

if you use IE, you almost deserve to be robbed

(in 2008)

Oh look, they fixed it today! Good thing the bad guys didn't have a whole week to fuck people up. Uh.

http://www.shadowserver.org/wiki/pmwiki.php?n=Calendar.20081210

New work PC. In IE7, how do I get the links toolbar to sit between the address bar and the tab bar?

http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/7729/bastardie7.png

It won't budge.

Are the tool bars locked ?

(View > Toolbars > Lock Toolbars)

as far as I know, you can unlock and stuff moves around as required

No, they're not locked. I've locked and unlocked them, and restarted IE and locked them, and restarted IE and unlocked them, and restarted Windows and locked them, and restarted Windows and unlocked them.

sorry, no ideas then.
i've had to revert back to IE7 as our intranet wont work in IE8 (even the compatability button didn't work).

Thing is, I know it is possible to put it there as it's how it was set up on the old installation.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BHmeddlCcAAr9N1.jpg

I.E. 10 is FUCKING SHIT.