Box Office Draws -- why do they matter?

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Not sure when it started happening, but every major news source/entertainment news show zealously reports box office earnings percentages for whatever films are playing. Why should they matter? Shouldn't reviews speak louder than earnings? Does this emphasis on the commerce over artistic merit bother anyone else? Is it simply the impulse of a herd mentality? "Ooh, lots of people are going to x movie, maybe I should go too!"

I don't get it.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 11 August 2003 12:53 (twenty-two years ago)

but isn't part of the fun of super-expensive hollywood movies when they tank and bankrupt a 50-yr-old company (michael cimino to thread!!)

sadly this pleasure has latterly been somewhat undermined by the video and DVD industry (how the hell is waterworld better on tv than widescreen?)

mark s (mark s), Monday, 11 August 2003 12:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Of course it emphasizes the commerce over the artistic merit; this is where Hollywood has been going for decades. Or really, what it's always been about. Especially now when the success/failure of movies is predicated almost entirely on the opening weekend, and not on whether it has "legs" or not.

s1utsky (slutsky), Monday, 11 August 2003 15:02 (twenty-two years ago)

also, since they report gross revenue and not attendance, breaking box office records is comepletely devoid of meaning, since more people may have gone to say Ferris Bueller's Day Off on opening weekend than Jurassic Park 7, but FBDO didn't cost $11 to get in, so JP7 smashes the record, not because attendance was so high, but because ticket prices are.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 11 August 2003 15:37 (twenty-two years ago)

because news isn't about what you should know. in addition to being about ratings it's about "look what other people are doing!".

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 11 August 2003 16:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey, if I ain't gettin' a piece of the pie, I don't give a fuck.

Stefan Szpilburg, Tuesday, 12 August 2003 04:38 (twenty-two years ago)

The practical aspect of it ... if there is any ... is that it gives you a sense for how long the movie's going to be out (I'm not sure if this is as much an issue in NYC, though). If a movie with a lot of hype tanks on opening weekend during a busy season, and you want to see it, go see it now -- it won't be there in two weeks. If a movie you've never heard of or only vaguely recognize the title to opened #2 this weekend, you'll probably have plenty of time to see it next month. Etc.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 04:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I blame Mary Hart

nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 04:57 (twenty-two years ago)

but because ticket prices are

wait, you saying ticket prices vary accroding to the film? I've never noticed this! Mebbe it's more common for this to be the case in the US than the UK.

...and Ptee to thread, obv.

MarkH (MarkH), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 07:34 (twenty-two years ago)

wait, you saying ticket prices vary accroding to the film? I've never noticed this! Mebbe it's more common for this to be the case in the US than the UK.

Assuming you aren't being sarcastic...

It's just that ticket prices are under an insane rate of inflation that boggles my mind. And yes, the prices do vary, but not so much film to film as theater to theater. Usually arthouses can't get away with selling their tickets for as much as multiplexes, and of course the second-run theaters are very cheap.

Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 12 August 2003 07:46 (twenty-two years ago)

dude, without high-grossing movies, where would shows like CRIBS and THE FABULOUS LIFE OF ... be? CABLE NETWORKS NEED THEIR C-LIST GLORIFIERS

maura (maura), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 13:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I blame Mary Hart
whoa, it's not her fault she's the most trusted news source in America (though maybe it's her hypnotic legs)

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 14:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Cause it's the closest thing the movies have to a Top 40!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 17:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, Tracer's right, except in the case of the Top 40 there usually isn't as much print given over to actual dollar amounts. I wonder if box-office lists were more localized once upon a time, just like Top 40s were.

I don't see this as *that* much diff't from people's interest in the lottery, Microsoft, and such--it's interesting, not to say titillating, to see what happens with all that money. I don't know that anyone confuses it with a judge of quality. If anything even mainstream media outlets play the Box Office against other institutional values like prestige, etc. "It may not have been a blockbuster, but...." One of the bad side-effects of this Box Office Mania is that otherwise sharp critics contort themselves into some kind of oppositional stance where box office becomes the enemy of art.

amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)

they still do a localized box office list in the atlanta paper

nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 17:45 (twenty-two years ago)

and for some reason the music business is alot more secretive about music sales than the movie biz is about box office totals - you can find out what Dancer in the Dark grossed pretty easy but good luck getting the sales totals on Selmasongs

nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 17:47 (twenty-two years ago)

is it the studios or the cinemas that release BO?

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 17:49 (twenty-two years ago)

(from what I understand) cinemas report to studios who release the numbers - what you're reading on monday as weekend box office is part guesstimation (sunday they just estimate based on saturday/friday and guess at the dropoff)(this is why weekend totals are actually available sunday night) and part (big part) spin - since box office ranking/numbers go some way towards deciding if a movie is perceived as a hit the studios definitely manipulate the number to try to position jockey a bit.

nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 17:58 (twenty-two years ago)

The only UK cinema I know that releases BO is the Prince Charles.

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 19:11 (twenty-two years ago)

JB OTM in re: spinning numbers.

We get local box office reports here all the time, and lots of stories about how Quebec movies beat Hollywood ones at the home box office.

(when that happens, of course)

s1utsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 22:22 (twenty-two years ago)

plus it was really fun to gloat and sneer at Gigli's per theater averages

nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 23:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, it was like $18 per theatre right? There are a lot of other movies I'd rather gloat and sneer at though.

s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 00:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I do wonder what j. lo thinks about ben's "don't worry - she's barely in jersey girl" spin control

nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 00:45 (twenty-two years ago)

they're in endgame!

s1utsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 13 August 2003 02:01 (twenty-two years ago)

eight years pass...

I was looking up something yesterday, and came across Wikipedia's week-by-week lists of films that topped box-office returns around the world. The American lists start in 1960 and carry through to the present. The figures are based on weekend returns only; I assume there's a reasonably solid correlation between what a film makes on the weekend and what it makes overall.

Normally this stuff doesn't interest me, but going through the '70s lists, I was amazed by how many critically well-regarded and/or artistically ambitious films made it to #1--much more than just The Godfather, The Exorcist, and Jaws. I'm biased--I'm always advocating for the '70s as far and away my favorite decade for English-language films--but I think the following list of #1s makes a good case for the idea that never were art and commerce so intertwined. (Not saying that all of these films succeeded at what they set out to do, but even the least successful set out to do a lot.)

1970: They Shoot Horses, Don't They?, MASH, Joe, Diary of a Mad Housewife, Five Easy Pieces
1971: Sweet Sweetback's Baadasssss Song, Klute, The French Connection
1972: Cabaret, The Godfather, Fat City, Deliverance
1973: Last Tango in Paris, Save the Tiger, Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid, American Graffiti, Mean Streets (one week at #1--amazing), Serpico
1974: The Exorcist, The Sugarland Express, The Conversation, Chinatown, The Godfather Part II
1975: Shampoo, The Day of the Locust, Nashville (#1 for a week, giving way to...), Jaws, Dog Day Afternoon, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
1976: Taxi Driver, All the President's Men, Carrie
1977: Annie Hall, Close Encounters of the Third Kind
1978: Coming Home, Straight Time (two weeks--again, amazing to me, always thought it was a small film nobody saw)
1979: The Deer Hunter, Manhattan, Apocalypse Now

The ones I've listed reflect my own biases, and things start slowing down the latter half of the decade. Also, I realize there are numerous factors besides artistic merit as to why a certain film might have reached #1, starting with the fact there were fewer films released then. But still, I'd put that list up against lists drawn from any other decade.

clemenza, Monday, 30 July 2012 15:07 (thirteen years ago)


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