EVERYONE IS DYING

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Elia Kazan... of course he was a stool pigeon and a rat bastard because of it... but still. On The Waterfront was still good...

ModJ, Sunday, 28 September 2003 23:30 (twenty-two years ago)

and A Face In the Crowd, with a scary Andy Griffith.

Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 28 September 2003 23:40 (twenty-two years ago)

and edward said...

mike robott, Monday, 29 September 2003 02:55 (twenty-two years ago)

i tried to watch Baby Doll today as it was on the TMC marathon but got bored perhaps due to the bad audio... i think East of Eden may be his unsurpassed "masterwork" but everyone else will root for Streetcar and Waterfront, so i lose

Vic (Vic), Monday, 29 September 2003 03:14 (twenty-two years ago)

re 'stool pidgeon' - wouldn't you have had more respect for all those poor victims of McCarthy/Cohn if they had come out and said "yeah I'm a communist, fuck you"? Pussies.

dave q, Monday, 29 September 2003 09:08 (twenty-two years ago)

yes, everyone is dying.

World's Oldest Man Dies in Japan at 114

The Associated Press
Monday, September 29, 2003; 2:58 AM

TOKYO - Yukichi Chuganji, a retired silkworm breeder documented as the world's oldest man, died at his home in Japan at age 114, his family said Monday.

Skottie, Monday, 29 September 2003 15:20 (twenty-two years ago)

http://deadpool.blogspot.com

A Girl Named Sam (thatgirl), Monday, 29 September 2003 15:21 (twenty-two years ago)

the terrorist are winning

Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 29 September 2003 15:22 (twenty-two years ago)

the terrorist are winning

too true, but they're playing Australian rules.

Skottie, Monday, 29 September 2003 15:24 (twenty-two years ago)

As if you'd know what important people are being born this week.

Girolamo Savonarola, Monday, 29 September 2003 16:49 (twenty-two years ago)

So you're saying the Australian terrorists are winning? Should I be worred of ESOJ?

Chris P (Chris P), Monday, 29 September 2003 16:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Elia Kazan shouldn't have named Communists during HUAC.

The reason none of them stepped up to the government and said HEY I'M A COMMUNIST was because under law, they don't have to.

suzy (suzy), Monday, 29 September 2003 17:26 (twenty-two years ago)

The reason none of them stepped up to the government and said HEY I'M A COMMUNIST was because under law, they don't have to.

True, but they had the choice taken away from them, by Kazan's actions. In the end, he shot himself in the foot, as he didn't save his own career.


Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Monday, 29 September 2003 17:58 (twenty-two years ago)

In the end, he shot himself in the foot, as he didn't save his own career.

Umm...he wasn't blacklisted, and he went on to do plenty of great work shortly afterwards. So how exactly does this statement work?

Girolamo Savonarola, Monday, 29 September 2003 18:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Now that he's dead, everyone's calling him a dirty rat, ergo his legacy is tainted.

Okay, that was feeble even by my nonexistent standards.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 29 September 2003 18:47 (twenty-two years ago)

As far as I'm concerned, Kazan damaged a lot of people's careers, some permanently, and never apologized. Which makes him a little better than Leni Riefenstahl, but not much better. May they both quickly slip into the ashes of history.

Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 30 September 2003 04:13 (twenty-two years ago)

phear me

the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 04:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought liberals were all for 'outing' or at least 'providing positive role models'. Oh yeah, they feared having their careers in the life-&-death-important industry destroyed and being punished by being exiled to the Riviera

dave q, Tuesday, 30 September 2003 08:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I think I'll change my career path to silkworm breeding. Hopefully, it sounds like the band Silkworm.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 14:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I found out Harry Goz, the voice of Capt. Murphy on Sealab 2021, passed away. If they do keep on making the cartoons, it will not be the same without him.

Nicolars (Nicole), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 14:42 (twenty-two years ago)

or canada.

i dont know, i think that (some) liberals are for outing b/c of the damage that it does when you are out of the closet, and really everyone knew the names of the reds in hollywood, and most of those reds didnt really apologize for embracing an ideology that rewarded stalin.

kazan isnt a nice fellow and what he did was unethical at best, but there were mitigating circumstances (none of which were presnted in the mawkish and apogolsit on the waterfront)

anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 14:56 (twenty-two years ago)

So I had this briliant insight earlier today, on this very topic, and I am here to share with with all:

Basically the whole mass media/creation of lots of famous idol-type people that were well-known around at least part of the world began with records, right? And then movies? And from there it's gone to television and so forth. And with the whole 'the world is growing smaller' thing that the media keeps telling us about, and the instant delivery of information, we all get to hear about the deaths of people that we vaguely know as being 'celebrities' pretty darn fast, along with the tributes and so forth.

Now, basically, the people who became famous during the forties, fifties, and sixties, are reaching the age(s) where they're more likely to kick the bucket. This coincides with the time period when there was a significant increase of 'celebrity development,' so basically people that we might think of as being non-celebrityish, or minor-celebrityish, are now somehow elevated to great celebritihood through their deaths. And we're just going to see more and more reports of celebrity deaths in the coming decades, as all of these people who have become some part of the mass consciousness begin to die.

Does this make any sense?

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 03:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Laura, your post does make sense. However, on a wholly personal level, I have seen four of my relations die since the beginning of this year, and I'm not sure if a fifth relation will pass away by year's end. It does seem to appear as though everyone is dying, at least in my little universe.

I am saddened by Elia Kazan's passing. Fin.

Legendary Nothingness (Dee the Lurker), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 05:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Laura's post is probably statistically accurate. It makes sense that at a certain point the manufacturing of celebrity itself became a goal, as opposed to celebrities being generated as a result of success in music or film or something. Probably some time during the TV age. And yet, have we seen anything lately even vaguely like the plane crash that killed Ritchie Valens, Buddy Holly, The Big Bopper, etc.? A mass death of unrelated celebrities?

Skottie, Wednesday, 1 October 2003 05:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Laura's post is very accurate, to the point where I feel like I've posted something similar not long ago. But maybe I just spoke it to people in real life, I dunno.

Chris P (Chris P), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 05:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Dee, I know that feeling, sadly. I think that lots of times we'll go through periods where we will lose people close to us in (fairly) rapid succession. And that sucks. Royally. But so does death. Anyway, I am sorry that you're having to deal with so much of it right now.

Skottie, I like how you summed that up ... I was way too wordy. And I cannot think of anything close to the plane crash that killed the three musicians (and others on the plane too, though I do not know their names). I think that was more of a statistical abnormality, though, maybe. I mean, do (reasonably famous) people travel like that these days? Together, I mean? Or are they spread out over several flights? Or busses?

I keep thinking of all of the musicians from the 60s and 70s who have lived fairly, well, intense lives ... they're now coming into their 60s and 70s, coincidentally. And if statistics are anywhere close to being accurate, I imagine that lots of them will be passing on 'before their time.' I wonder if we're going to reach a point where there is what amounts to a 'celebrity passing update' on every newscast? I know that sounds morbid, but it seems to me that because of the sheer numbers of people whose names/contributions are known around the world, that at some point we will reach that critical mass. I could of course be way off.

(X-post with Chris ... if I've swiped this from something you've posted Chris, major apologies. If not, then great minds think alike *grin*)

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 05:45 (twenty-two years ago)

everyone'll be dead for 15 minutes

dave q, Wednesday, 1 October 2003 06:52 (twenty-two years ago)

And they're still dying...

Singer dies at 24 after fall from window

Former O.J. Simpson lawyer dies

Man charged in cathedral sex stunt dies


"Except me! Yaaahhaaaahaaaahaaaa!"

http://i.cnn.net/cnn/CNN/Programs/american.morning/images/2003/10/tz.saddam.jpg

Skottie, Thursday, 2 October 2003 04:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Umm...he wasn't blacklisted, and he went on to do plenty of great work shortly afterwards. So how exactly does this statement work?

From then on, he had to work against the movie system....rather than from within it: for every one who were willing to work with him, there were more folk that snubbed him because they remembered his actions during the Blacklist. As a micro-society that thrived on networking, he limited his own choices (of future actors, film staff, etc).

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Thursday, 2 October 2003 21:59 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...
EVERYONE IS DYING AGAIN!

What is it about this time of year?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 07:42 (twenty-one years ago)

We're just waiting for the third one now, aren't we? Jacques Derrida, Christopher Reeve...celebrity deaths always come in threes.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 12 October 2004 07:47 (twenty-one years ago)

well, i can tell you it's not sharon osbourne.

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/story?id=101124

the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 07:48 (twenty-one years ago)

bah, it's not showing anymore. anyways, someone 'accidentally' published an obit for the apparently somewhat still rather alive mrs. osbourne.

the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 07:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I just found out my uncle has cancer, if that helps.

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 08:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Mark, I've emailed you.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 08:46 (twenty-one years ago)

very sorry to hear that Mark, hopefully it's something that can be treated via surgery (as with my Grandad recently and he seems fine now)?

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 09:04 (twenty-one years ago)

We're just waiting for the third one now, aren't we? Jacques Derrida, Christopher Reeve...celebrity deaths always come in threes.

Rodney Dangerfield, innit?

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Within the last week:

actress Janet Leigh
comedian Rodney Dangerfield
actor Christopher Reeve
photographer Richard Avedon
philosopher Jacques Derrida
baseball player Ken Caminiti

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 15:24 (twenty-one years ago)

This entire YEAR has been crazy - I mean, Brando, Reagan, Ray Charles and Fay Wray,that's like the 20th century casually dropping in to say "bye now" or something.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Whatever happened to immortality?

aimurchie, Tuesday, 12 October 2004 15:34 (twenty-one years ago)

it died

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 15:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I was just thinking the other day about how it won't be long before the last person born in the 19th C. dies.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)

We won't see that for another ten years.

Now, it won't be long until we see the last WWI vet die. Weird to think that the last Civil War veteran didn't die until the late 1950's.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 15:42 (twenty-one years ago)

My grandmothers gravestone reads 1898-2001. She lived in three centuries. She fulfilled her dream of going up in a hot air balloon at 96. She drove until she was 98 - just down the street to church - we were not encouraging her to make road trips. She remained vital up until the last year. When she died, friends asked me how i was doing. i was like"Jesus Christ, she was 103!" She remembered the mail being delivered by horse and carriage - and asking for a ride on the back of the mail cart. She saw it all -cars, airplanes, world wars, women's rights, civil rights...and she was just a dignified old lady who always asked how I was coping.
I LOVE that her grave will always be the most stunning thing in that cemetary. 1898 - 2001.

aimurchie, Tuesday, 12 October 2004 16:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Nice.

Jimmy Mod, Los Sexx Yanqui (ModJ), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 16:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Pete McCarthy died the other day, dunno if there was thread about that, I liked his travel programmes.

jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 16:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Markelby, I too am sorry at your bad news.

the bluefox, Tuesday, 12 October 2004 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)

And just think about all the starring Benjis, Benji body-doubles and Benji stunt-doubles that have died over the years - carnage!

Aimless (Aimless), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 17:20 (twenty-one years ago)


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