Will Time Travel be America's next "mission" a la putting a man on the moon?

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"We need a vision of how we're going to move humanity ahead, and then we need to harness science to do it"

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 17:31 (twenty-two years ago)

we have the technology -

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 17:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I think they should try for a vision of how not to kill humanity more [and maybe fix some things] by harnessing science.

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 17:38 (twenty-two years ago)

but, I guess, if you had a time machine, who cares?

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 17:39 (twenty-two years ago)

John Titor to thread.

― Dale the Titled (cprek), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 17:44 (twenty-two years ago)

If time-travel were EVER to be possible at any point in the future then it would ALWAYS be possible because people would come back and show us.

Just a thought.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 17:50 (twenty-two years ago)

unless there's some prime directive against letting us know about it...

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 17:55 (twenty-two years ago)

This self-important hubris will be the end of us all. Man belongs no more than a few thousand feet above the ground.

― adaml (adaml), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 17:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I once got into this big fight with an activist friend of mine. He was all talking about how we need to protect nature and endangered species and stuff because we (the human species) could be next to go.
I pissed him off mightily by declaring something like:

"You arrogant twat! This planet would be much better off without people. It survived a few billion years, and I'm sure it'll be okay once we're gone. It'll return to it's NATURAL STATE. You don't love nature, you love yourself. You disgust me. Go fish."

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 18:11 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, except that some areas have been damaged so extremely that they won't ever [really] return to any 'natural state' even if all the damaging actions stopped today instead of whenever there is nothing left to damage.

but get me a time machine and I'll try to sort it out.

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 21:30 (twenty-two years ago)

At this point, what's a "natural state"? All trees and rivers, or even further back, to the period of the Big Bang?

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 21:37 (twenty-two years ago)

The earth in it's natural state is indeed a nightmarish place-clouds of ash, endless raining fire, deafening noise. It's like ecology seen through a filter of 70s haevy metal artwork.

― adaml (adaml), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 21:40 (twenty-two years ago)

"heavy" metal artwork

― adaml (adaml), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 21:41 (twenty-two years ago)

http://dwighthiscano.com/book.jpg

― s1utsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 21:41 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.metal-treasures.at/Santa---No-hay-Piedad.gif

― adaml (adaml), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 21:45 (twenty-two years ago)

ILX gets good again in 2008.

― Andrew L (Andrew L), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 21:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Spencer's post is implying that he's from the future.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 23:23 (twenty-two years ago)

i thought everyone already knew that about him

― chaki (chaki), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 23:48 (twenty-two years ago)

I didn't!

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 23:50 (twenty-two years ago)

The future lives in LA? Yeah, right!

(just kidding, folx!!!)

― adaml (adaml), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 23:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, LA is the city of the future. Noo Yawk won't survive as it does today past 2027

While Clark's belief may stem from his knowledge of sophisticated military project

Wow-wow so this means that maybe it's true then, the stuff I heard about "scientific remote viewing" - a military program that already enables time/astral travel? I know some people who know a bit more than myself about it, but it's all kept very confidential, even from most miilitary leaders. They are more secretive than you think!

― Vic (Vic), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 23:58 (twenty-two years ago)

everybody knows the blackout was caused by side effects from the philadelphia experiment

― cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Wasn't the Philadelphia experiment the invisibility one? A blackout doesn't sound like a side effect so much as a cheap-ass shortcut.

― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 00:44 (twenty-two years ago)

the philadelphia experiment involved invisibility, teleportation, and time travel. it was the coolest experiment ever.

― cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 00:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Wow. Wes.

― brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 01:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I think life extension should be the next "mission" because once you got all the time in the world you can have a go at hard problems like going beyond the speed of light, fixing the environment+having some backups of humanity on other planets just in case etc
People interested in this idea should look at the methuselah mouse prize , who wants to do to serious anti-aging research what the x-prize does to space exploration.

― Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 01:27 (twenty-two years ago)

The later in life each generation has children, the longer their progeny's lifespan. And so on, until (relative) immortality!

― adaml (adaml), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 01:45 (twenty-two years ago)

It may not be too far into the future, but time travel (or rather distortion of one bodies relative time line in comparison to anothers) is doable as long as you move really really fast for a long while.

― A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 01:48 (twenty-two years ago)

This thread is problematic since in reality there is no such thing as Time. There's only an Eternal Now!

― Vic (Vic), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 01:53 (twenty-two years ago)

eddie and the cruisers was in the philadelphia expt and he sang 'on the darkside'.

― keith (keithmcl), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 02:02 (twenty-two years ago)

teleportation would be just as exciting, even feasible

― ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 02:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Am I the only one who wonders whether Clark was wearing a tin foil hat at the time?
"We need a vision of how we're going to move humanity ahead, and then we need to harness science to do it." Uh.. what? This is like listening to John Madden talk football by saying stuff like, "See, what they need to do now is get the momentum going and put the ball in the end zone."

― daria g (daria g), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 04:58 (twenty-two years ago)

You just hate science.

― brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 05:01 (twenty-two years ago)

A bas la science !

I am a big fan of the futurists, especially Marinetti and his wonderful cookbook!

― daria g (daria g), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 05:03 (twenty-two years ago)

If time travel were perfected, history would instantly get compressed into a single moment. Whatever instantly would mean in such a context. Which is to say it could take a long time, but the end result. Would be. The same--something like a lot like now.

Only more so. Can I take these gloves off now? My hands are sweating ...

― jackson anderville, Wednesday, 1 October 2003 09:35 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.celebhost.net/jamesdarren/tt10.jpg

― Fuzzy (Fuzzy), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 09:56 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.iann.net/timetunnel/EPS/EP2/ep2219.jpg

― Fuzzy (Fuzzy), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 09:57 (twenty-two years ago)

well, we all know that the moon landings were actually filmed in a Hollywood parking lot, so Time Travel should be the next big mission that America has to fake. This will involve building a suitably impressive machine and then pretending to send a suitably macho, all conquering hero type back in time to bring a famous person back. I daresay that Arnie will be almost inconsolable should he lose the election for Governor of California, so he would be ideal. Arnie could be hidden away for a bit and the nation could be told that he was sent back in time to collect George Washington and bring him forward to the 21st Century. An unknown actor could be used to play GW. In order to make it look as though time travel was a hazardous activity which only brave, strong types of ppl would ever even contemplate attempting, they could set fire to Arnie and the unknown actor's hair so it looked like they'd been burnt as they hurtle through time. The actor playing GW would have to speak in a silly voice and pronounce words incorrectly coz ppl from the past speak funny. He would then have to face some ginormous press conference and be asked questions like "So did you chop that cherry tree down or didn't you?" and "would you like to see what they've done to Mount Rushmore?".

― MarkH (MarkH), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 10:29 (twenty-two years ago)

If someone traveled "back" in time, doesn't it seem like they would be creating a new reality/ or another dimension in time. I mean, if someone from the future came here now, and shook things up, they would alter the future to the extent that they might not end up coming back... So maybe there are different time strands instead of one straight timeline. Whenever anyone goes BACK in time, they are actually creating a new time strand.

I sound like I'm on drugs. Thank you very much.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 13:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Well...you can theoretically travel through time, but you could ONLY go forward. So that would explain why we've never had any visitors from the future.

― Girolamo Savonarola, Wednesday, 1 October 2003 13:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Time is a relative - not an absolute. Light is the only absolute in this reality. Time does not ultimately exist, only relatively does it seem to for us "until" we enter Eternity.

― Vic (Vic), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 13:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm travelling through time right now. So are you.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 13:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Sarah, check out http://www.johntitor.com

That's what he seems to think.

― Dale the Titled (cprek), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 13:39 (twenty-two years ago)

the end result. Would be. The same--something like a lot like now....history would instantly get compressed into a single moment.

Exactly!!!! It already is --> everything is already-simultaneously or simultaneously-already happening. Right now. Forever. There's no difference. It is just that your consciousness right now is encumbered by the physical, so you can only see within the finite of which Time is one of the limits (the other being Space), but the grander illusion is necessary to maintain as "long" as the lesser one of the Self remains. I need to buy an Egyptian cosmology book! Or smoke something stronger

― Vic (Vic), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 13:43 (twenty-two years ago)

This is the hippiest thread ever.

― NA (Nick A.), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 13:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Why, when time is another dimension of space, do we only perceive 3 dimensions? If we saw reality as it is - at least 4 dimensions - we could see the future, couldn't we? Does anyone understand physics? Is it just the limitations of the brain?

― freedon dupont, Wednesday, 1 October 2003 13:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I saw a thing in some magazine, maybe even Maxim about how if human beings were to simply vanish, it would only take a few years for NYC to be completely overrun with flora and fauna (who are not aunts in a neil simon play, I should point out).

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 14:39 (twenty-two years ago)

"everything is already-simultaneously or simultaneously-already happening. Right now. Forever. There's no difference."

Right now my fan is pointing at me, ok now it's starting to rotate and point at the wall, and then back at me, and back at the wall, etc. but I don't feel it when it's pointing at the wall.

― A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 17:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I saw a thing in some magazine, maybe even Maxim about how if human beings were to simply vanish, it would only take a few years for NYC to be completely overrun with flora and fauna....

How is that possible? NYC isn't called the "concrete jungle", for nothing. The only major source of green are parks---and there isn't plant life there to overrun the structures in only a few years. 25, 50 years, maybe....

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

i posted a lengthy, pretentious, metaphysical response to freedon dupont but it got lost since the page didn't load. :( maybe i lost an hour, but i guess i'm glad it didnt make it since it was lengthy, pretentious, metaphysical. :)?

― Vic (Vic), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 17:52 (twenty-two years ago)

maybe even Maxim

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 17:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I may be (ok, almost probably am being) pedantic, but I thought flora and fauna included animals, so even if plant life didn't take over NYC in a few years, animals probably could, just migrating to parks or whatever to eat, thus making this statement true. Though I guess it would be more accurate to say "flora and/or fauna." This is dumb, sorry.

― NA (Nick A.), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 18:07 (twenty-two years ago)

How can you lose an hour if all time is now, Vic? :)

― nickn (nickn), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 18:14 (twenty-two years ago)

time keeps on steppin into the future

― cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 18:22 (twenty-two years ago)

ever lightly

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 18:22 (twenty-two years ago)

if i had a time machine id go back and make sure steve miller never made any records

― chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 18:34 (twenty-two years ago)

leaving the path clear for me to write a song which rhymed "abracadabra" with "grab ya"! cheers Chaki!

― MarkH (MarkH), Thursday, 2 October 2003 06:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I call dibs on 'texas' and 'facts is'!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 2 October 2003 06:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Everyone is living in the past in the eye of the other:
speed of light = 300 000 km/s so
when someone is standing in front of you, the time the light illuminating the person will take to reach your eye is 1 billionth of a second.
It's a past that is very close but still.
The image of the sun takes eight minutes to reach one's eyes.
When the sun goes down at the end of the horizon, for real it's been 8 minutes since it's "out of sight".
The moon= 0.1 second away.
andromeda galaxy = 2.3 million light-years away = when we look at it, the image we are seing happened 2.3 million light-years ago.
Astrophysician Hubert Reeves say we already have time travel machines, referencing those big telescopes in Chile or Hawaii that are used to watch galaxy that are like 10 million light years away from us, he said:"are they still existing? nobody knows"
About "traveling in the past", there is also the study of that fossil radiation thing, who permits a better genealogy of materialism, when matter started to organize itself into systems more and more complex, among which humanity is an example.

― Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Thursday, 2 October 2003 07:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I like saying things happened a distance ago.

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 2 October 2003 10:03 (twenty-two years ago)

if i had a time machine id go back and make sure steve miller never made any records

Steve - Who are you? Where did you come from?
Chaki - Some people call me the space cowboy...
Steve - I like that.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 2 October 2003 10:12 (twenty-two years ago)

the danger of going back and preventing an artist from making any records is that you might then enable them to do something far more pernicious. Imagine the guilt that you would feel if you went back in time, prevented Steve Miller from making any records, then time travelled back to your own time and found out that rather than a recording artiste, he'd become an EVIL DICTATOR WHO'D TAKEN OVER THE WORLD!

― MarkH (MarkH), Friday, 3 October 2003 08:53 (twenty-two years ago)

BOW DOWN, PEASANTS, BEFORE BEFORE MILLER, RULER OF THE WORLD, POMPITOUS OF LOVE AND LORD HIGH MAURICE OF SPACE!

http://thadweb.com/rundmc/lyricists/miller.jpg

― robster (robster), Friday, 3 October 2003 10:23 (twenty-two years ago)

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