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Then again, you could say Monaco, who'll let anyone in as long as they're stinking rich.
― chris, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I've always wondered if other Brits find the Immigration and Nationality Directorate's slogan, "Building a safe, just and tolerant society" as sickeningly ironic as I do.
― Trevor, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Nick, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
It's a shame as the rest of Australian life is incredibly multi- cultural, what with the huge number of European and (especially in Perth) south-east Asian immigrants.
I know next to nothing about New Zealand, only having seen the odd travel programme and once were warriors, hardly a representative view, but it does seem like a brilliant place.
― mark s, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
How about NZ does it win here too ?
― anthony, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
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― Pete, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Mike Hanle y, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Re: anti-Americanism, I'm starting to get annoyed with this term and its implication that there are "two kinds of people in this world" -- those who love the U.S. and those who hate it. This sometimes doesn't leave much room for those who are of the opinion that while the U.S. is a great place, there are still a whole lot of things it should be doing differently -- raising any such objection (right now) brings out this reactionary "What, are you saying you hate America?" kind of rage.
― Nitsuh, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
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― Geoff, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Canada on the other hand, while there are the omni-present native issues, we are *immensely* tolerant of ethnic populations. We are not a melting pot - the national identity is not strong enough to demand that you be Canadian first. On a Collectivism vs. Individualism scale, we fall much closer to the individualism end than the US does, which may sound suprising considering our many social programs - but the lack of a true group mentality more than negates them. While this obviously has some negatives from a national standpoint - it's great for the individual. Toronto is offcially the most multicultural city in the world - you should see the office where I work, out of approx. one hundred people, as a WASP *I* am a minority, and I don't mind one bit. It's great, we do special things on nearly every national holiday like Chinese New Year etc. Strangely enough, we're so tolerant here that you hear many people of the younger generation of these ethnic groups are complaining that we should be LESS so, that their parents should have to 'fit in' more - because what happens is that you have these mini-cities within the larger one - where they can go about their everyday business "just like in the old country". I know quite a few people whose parents and relatives don't even speak either of our two national languages - and don't feel that they have a need to as they can stay insulated in their community and get by just fine. It frustrates the kids that their own parents are so uninvolved in what they see as their own home country. It's interesting as I never would have seen it that way if not through their eyes. It's a really good place to live though I think. Sorry if I've rambled a bit... should be studying.
― Kim, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
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― Mike Hanle y, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Yes we do. NZ is more tolerant of asylum seekers simply because we don't get many due to our isolation. We're nowhere near filling our UN quota. And don't get me started on that treaty...
― hamish, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Tadeusz Suchodolski, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
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― Dan Perry, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Nick, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
No more anti-Semitic than the rest of Canada. That bull was started mostly by Mordecai Richler, a notorious French Quebecer-hater who based his claim on a study about anti-semitism that has been widely discredited - the questions were phrased very differently in french and in english, and the discrepancies between the answers of french and english respondents were used as a scientific "proof" that Quebecers hated Jews.
― Patrick, Friday, 5 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
BTW, most New Zealanders only have a superficial interest in Maori culture, their "interest" in Maori culture extends about as far as seeing the haka performed at a rugby match. as for a genuine interest, you wanna see the amount of NZers who complain about the amount of Maori language on TV and the radio. Maori language shows on tele = about one, people who complain that "it shouldn't be on tv cos i can't understand it" = heaps.
peoples personal attitudes towards the Maori here are pretty appalling, my dad isn't the only NZer who is always complaining about the "bloody dole-bludging Maoris", and i've heard the story a zillion times about "they shouldn't be given land back, we paid for it fair and square, and they wouldn't put it to any good use anyway".
oh and heaps of NZers hate Asians too.
― di, Friday, 5 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― lucky hands, Thursday, 22 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Gale Deslongchamps, Saturday, 24 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I believe the Canadian equivalent term, as it was lobbed at me in public school at least, is Cultural Mosaic, because we're more apt to have individuals and cultures remaining "as is" within the whole.
In theory that is.
― Kim, Saturday, 24 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― stevo, Saturday, 24 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― anthony, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
But as to non-racist countries, I really can't answer. It is - and SO isn't - Britain. The urban areas are pretty good. Problem is every country has a redneck zone, and rednecks are threatened by anything 'different'.
― suzy, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
However, I think we can all agree now it isn't in Scandinavia.
― Robin Carmody, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
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stevem, there is a GULF of difference betweeen the meanings inherent in 'tolerance' and 'acceptance'. I prefer the latter. Ideally would like everybody to wake up one morning unperturbed by their neighbours coming from somewhere different.
― suzy (suzy), Monday, 24 April 2006 17:31 (eighteen years ago) link
You have got to be kidding. You are dead meat if you are a Dane here. The local news is so Greenland-centric you'd think it was the centre of the earth.
I was surprised when I was trying to learn a bit of Polish for my holiday one year, that one of the guys on the tape was a black dude. One unfortunate family in 1950 got off the banana boat in Gdansk!!
― JTS (JTS), Monday, 24 April 2006 17:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― JW (ex machina), Monday, 24 April 2006 17:57 (eighteen years ago) link
Huh? Greenland has no independence, it is owned by Denmark. Hence the hatred of Danes and those who speak Danish in Greenland (when I said "here" I was talking about Greenland). The native Inuit people are very set in their ways, and the only ever Greenlandic film ever made was an elitist propaganda about an Inuit doing some "soul searching" after his sons became "too Western" (they went on a shooting spree and on of them turned the gun on himself. This is, o course, what being "Western" is all about :P).
― JTS (JTS), Monday, 24 April 2006 18:10 (eighteen years ago) link
― JW (ex machina), Monday, 24 April 2006 18:11 (eighteen years ago) link
how many of the "Foreign-born" were born in the "United States"? in real numbers - the number of immigrants who came to New York in the 1990s exceeds the city population of Toronto.
~25% of Torontoans are Asian and ~8% are black. roughly 10% of compare to New Yorkers are Asian, 25% are black non-hispanic, and 27% are hispanic.
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 24 April 2006 18:17 (eighteen years ago) link
I wasn't using that to reply to you. I was using that to back up the point I was making, and the link between Greenland and Denmark.
Basically Greenland's pretty racist, we can agree on that one? :)
― JTS (JTS), Monday, 24 April 2006 18:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― Good Dog (Good Dog), Monday, 24 April 2006 18:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 24 April 2006 18:24 (eighteen years ago) link
As a European person living in an Asian country, I have never bought the line that race doesn't exist.
― Good Dog (Good Dog), Monday, 24 April 2006 18:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 24 April 2006 18:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 24 April 2006 18:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 24 April 2006 18:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 24 April 2006 18:43 (eighteen years ago) link
I'll bet you dress and talk funny too
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 24 April 2006 18:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 24 April 2006 18:44 (eighteen years ago) link
yes i am well aware of the difference, and i'm sure everyone would rather there be mutual acceptance of eveybody's ethnicities, cultures, religions (i struggle with those last two way more than the first one personally) in addition to mere tolerance - apart from the people who seemingly genuinely would like everyone to think and believe the same thing (a plague on that warless world!). but seems unlikely given how deep-rooted fear and distrust of that which is different is generally.
― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 24 April 2006 18:45 (eighteen years ago) link
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― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Monday, 24 April 2006 18:47 (eighteen years ago) link
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― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 24 April 2006 18:56 (eighteen years ago) link
didn't you guys learn anything from "Crash"?
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 24 April 2006 19:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 24 April 2006 19:05 (eighteen years ago) link
― remy (x Jeremy), Monday, 24 April 2006 19:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― Good Dog (Good Dog), Monday, 24 April 2006 20:11 (eighteen years ago) link
that totally doesn't answer the question, but i just thought it was a somewhat related anecdote.
― awesome is as awesome does (lucylurex), Monday, 24 April 2006 23:24 (eighteen years ago) link
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― awesome is as awesome does (lucylurex), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 21:49 (eighteen years ago) link
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― ath (ath), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 03:21 (eighteen years ago) link
― estela (estela), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 03:39 (eighteen years ago) link
]apparently the most racist country in the world is ... India?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/files/2013/05/racism-map3.jpg
― four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 16 May 2013 19:20 (eleven years ago) link