Which is the least racist country in the world?

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Thinking about Blair's speech yesterday. He attacked knee-jerk anti-Americanism by pointing out its praiseworthy qualities, questioning whether a black man born into poverty in Britain could have made it to such a high post. I was wondering about this, and part of me thought one shouldn't draw too many conclusions from one piece of evidence (does the world think Britain a terrifically non-sexist country just cause Margaret Thatcher made it to PM?) but there's probably something in what Blair said. Could have less to do with race than class, perhaps. American racism seems more extreme and overt in places. Here we've sometimes been called the most polite racists in the world. Gary Younge offers his views here< p> Anyway, where's the best place in the world to be if you don't have the same ethnicity or skin colour as the majority? The thing with Britain and the USA is that they've been tested. Many other countries haven't. Look at the crap that's going on with asylum seekers in Ireland recently. Which place has come off best? Is this a meaningless question?

, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Until recently I would have said Australia, but the events over that ship kind of cancel that out, some of the attitudes towards the Aborigines leaves a little to be desired too. It is a very difficult question to answer though Nick, as attitudes vary within countries also, or so it seems to me in my limited travelling experience.

Then again, you could say Monaco, who'll let anyone in as long as they're stinking rich.

chris, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Vatican City.

I've always wondered if other Brits find the Immigration and Nationality Directorate's slogan, "Building a safe, just and tolerant society" as sickeningly ironic as I do.

Trevor, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Chris, I've never been to Australia, but a good friend of mine did last year and was absolutely stunned at the levels of vicious racism towards Aborigines. Said he'd never come across anything like it in his life. Then he stayed with some long-lost relatives so got a kind of inside view on it all. Then I joined him in New Zealand, which by all accounts was a million times better. I like New Zealand. It gets my vote.

Nick, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Yeah, thinking about it you're probably right, after my 3 weeks there I found that the Aborigines were kind of ignored and swept under the carpet so to speak, and when brought up they were dismissed as no- hopers.

It's a shame as the rest of Australian life is incredibly multi- cultural, what with the huge number of European and (especially in Perth) south-east Asian immigrants.

I know next to nothing about New Zealand, only having seen the odd travel programme and once were warriors, hardly a representative view, but it does seem like a brilliant place.

chris, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Cuba is always brought up here. I've never been (too hot and no pokémon), but my sistah and my friend [kl] wuvved it

mark s, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Well it could be canada unless we look at the colonialit mentiality that infects our treatmeant our Natives. Espicaly tje Lubicon (ie we fucked up and gave you resereves that had money they belong to the crown) , or the inuit ( the whole nomdaic thing youve been working for 10k years aint working for us, lets settle them artiifically ) They actually lableled the inuit with copper discs that they were forced to wear arround thier necks. The reserves are so poor and ignored the closest compariosn you could make is soweto. It makes me want to vomit from shame every time i think about it.

How about NZ does it win here too ?

anthony, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

From what I know, treatment of Maoris was not perfect by any means but a whole lot better than the aborgines or native americans. And relations today are pretty good, with white Kiwis respectful of and interested in Maori culture.

Nick, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

how do you answer this? well, i guess that comes down to how the question is asked. obviously, the country with the least amount of minorities is going to be the most tolerant. is it measured purely by the level of tolerance or tolerance compared to the percentage of minorities? for example, the u.s., of course, has its problems (!), but does it gain "points" for being the melting pot?

fred solinger, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Yes, it does. That's what I was saying about some countries not being tested. Like Japan, for instance. I know many Japanese make racist comments about black people, but until a country has significant immigration, I don't think it's very easy to judge.

Nick, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I don't think being a melting pot is a very good thing. People will get burnt.

Pete, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I vote Holland

Mike Hanle y, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

This may not be an answer to the actual question, but I'd say that the U.S. is the best place in the world to be a black person. (This takes into account some factors besides non-racism, though, most notably economic opportunity and, well, not feeling quite as ethnically marginal as you might in, say, Norway.)

Re: anti-Americanism, I'm starting to get annoyed with this term and its implication that there are "two kinds of people in this world" -- those who love the U.S. and those who hate it. This sometimes doesn't leave much room for those who are of the opinion that while the U.S. is a great place, there are still a whole lot of things it should be doing differently -- raising any such objection (right now) brings out this reactionary "What, are you saying you hate America?" kind of rage.

Nitsuh, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

what about Brazil? i've heard v positive and v negative statements regarding racism in Brazil.

gareth, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

From what I know from a friends who lives there, Brazil's class system is extremely racist and race-based. Shades and tones of skin are crucial to status there.

scott p., Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Zico was always considered to be the posh one in the Brazil team of the early eighties footy team due to his light coloured skin. From what I hear it's almost like a cast system.

chris, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

cast = caste

chris, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

nz had a treaty with the maoris, wplus accepted half of the asylum speakeers, and doesn't lock them up - it gets my vote, though there is some tension between some raaces, so i've heard.

Geoff, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

What the melting pot means though, is that sure you're accepted into this new grand society - and whatever America isn't, it is grand - but you're accepted on the terms that you're American first, ethnic second. This has plenty of advantages, but an exceptional tolerance for ethnicity isn't one of them.

Canada on the other hand, while there are the omni-present native issues, we are *immensely* tolerant of ethnic populations. We are not a melting pot - the national identity is not strong enough to demand that you be Canadian first. On a Collectivism vs. Individualism scale, we fall much closer to the individualism end than the US does, which may sound suprising considering our many social programs - but the lack of a true group mentality more than negates them. While this obviously has some negatives from a national standpoint - it's great for the individual. Toronto is offcially the most multicultural city in the world - you should see the office where I work, out of approx. one hundred people, as a WASP *I* am a minority, and I don't mind one bit. It's great, we do special things on nearly every national holiday like Chinese New Year etc. Strangely enough, we're so tolerant here that you hear many people of the younger generation of these ethnic groups are complaining that we should be LESS so, that their parents should have to 'fit in' more - because what happens is that you have these mini-cities within the larger one - where they can go about their everyday business "just like in the old country". I know quite a few people whose parents and relatives don't even speak either of our two national languages - and don't feel that they have a need to as they can stay insulated in their community and get by just fine. It frustrates the kids that their own parents are so uninvolved in what they see as their own home country. It's interesting as I never would have seen it that way if not through their eyes. It's a really good place to live though I think. Sorry if I've rambled a bit... should be studying.

Kim, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

So tolerant a place to live that it basically can't last though. That's the downfall of being such a composite country that isn't a melting pot. As depressing as it is, I fully expect Canada, as I know it, to cease to exist within my lifetime.

Kim, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I fully expect every country - as I know it - to cease to exist in my lifetime. But I really hope the Vatican City is first...

Pete, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Things is going to be waspish/French RC in the east of Canada for some time. There is a garage run by East Indians in Saint John and a chinese guy who runs an ethnic food store in Moncton other then that I've seen a visible minority apart from MicMac in 5 years being in New Brunswick. Halifax at least has a black community.

Mr Noodles, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Pobably Greenland.

jel, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Well, yes Noodley one, admittedly there's a HUGE difference between the rest of the country and the largest cities, but you have to consider that these cities are where most immigrants of the last fifty years or so have settled, and account for a very large percentage of the total population. Like I was saying before, in these cities, they have their own almost independent communities where they feel most at home. There probably hasn't been a lot of desire within themsleves to disperse - since they have it so good where they are, if you see what I mean. The town where I went to high school in eastern Ontario is only about fourty thousand people, and when I lived there, was extremely anglo - that seems to be changing somewhat as the second and third generations of new Canadian families *are* moving themsleves around more freely.

Kim, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I always hear from my Swedish friends how horrible America is about racism and how great Sweden is because racism doesn't exist. *slap* Because 99.5% of the population is SWEDISH maybe??? OK, thats all.

phil, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I live in Alberta and it is on one hand as tolerant as Kim says but has a aweful under current of racism . For example in Winnipeg in the 1930s there was enough Nazis to make a few cells (almost 3k). In CAroline Alberta there is an annual klan meetign still. Do we have to talk about the chinese . From the head tax to the talk about Vancouver being overtaken by asian gangs. Canada aint a paradise. Its a good country and i love being a canuck but dont make it better then it is .

anthony, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

There's no place that's safe from arbitrary dichotomies and absolutisms. Perhaps it is part of the structure of human consciousness. The only thing that can help is to be aware of the problem.

nature's romance, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Maybe we should all just have a cannibal BBQ, we'd all taste the same. I wouldnt wanna eat a vegetarian. Dude, they smell like tomato paste. But maybe they'd taste like ketchup...

satan's donkey, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Antarctica?

Mike Hanle y, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

nz had a treaty with the maoris, plus accepted half of the asylum speakeers, and doesn't lock them up

Yes we do. NZ is more tolerant of asylum seekers simply because we don't get many due to our isolation. We're nowhere near filling our UN quota. And don't get me started on that treaty...

hamish, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I hear that the Quebecois are very anti-Semitic, though otherwise tolerant (the French language laws notwithstanding). Isn't one of the major Montreal subway stations named after an infamous Nazi sympathizer?

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I think it as Gary Younge who said this - the American way of dealing with incomers is "Become one of us first and you'll get to share in this country's greatness", while the UK way is "This country is great because it tolerates people like you so don't fuck it up".

dave q, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Tadeusz, Celine? That would be one cool name for a metro station. No doubt Stevo will give soon give his view on the suggestion of Holland. Let me just state that Holland is as racist as any other country, but as with any painful social phenomenom has an incredible...let's call it...cloaking ability. So it seems every is you nice and cool and everybody respects everybody's space and thing, but scratch the surface and you'll see some very ugly stuff. I rather have the Spaniards who have a tendency to stil talk about Moors (= arabs) and negritos but in practise will be far more tolerant than the Dutch.

Omar, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

According to Omar's description, The Netherlands -> northern US while Spain -> southern US.

Dan Perry, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Also Netherlands -> UK.

Nick, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

erm...yes and yes I guess. [scratches head]

Omar, Thursday, 4 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I hear that the Quebecois are very anti-Semitic, though otherwise tolerant

No more anti-Semitic than the rest of Canada. That bull was started mostly by Mordecai Richler, a notorious French Quebecer-hater who based his claim on a study about anti-semitism that has been widely discredited - the questions were phrased very differently in french and in english, and the discrepancies between the answers of french and english respondents were used as a scientific "proof" that Quebecers hated Jews.

Patrick, Friday, 5 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Yeah NZ has the Treaty of Waitangi, but its not really being fulfilled. What happened to Maori sovereignty?

BTW, most New Zealanders only have a superficial interest in Maori culture, their "interest" in Maori culture extends about as far as seeing the haka performed at a rugby match. as for a genuine interest, you wanna see the amount of NZers who complain about the amount of Maori language on TV and the radio. Maori language shows on tele = about one, people who complain that "it shouldn't be on tv cos i can't understand it" = heaps.

peoples personal attitudes towards the Maori here are pretty appalling, my dad isn't the only NZer who is always complaining about the "bloody dole-bludging Maoris", and i've heard the story a zillion times about "they shouldn't be given land back, we paid for it fair and square, and they wouldn't put it to any good use anyway".

oh and heaps of NZers hate Asians too.

di, Friday, 5 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one month passes...
Well I don't know where you are from in New Zealand?? but I don't want to go there!! Because it isn't nothing like that where I'm from!!!! I'm maori and I have always got along with peope of all diffient colors in NZ and I know that things aren't perfect in NZ but I think that we are one of the few places in the world that is trying the best we can to sort it all out. I think you should travel around for a few years and it might open up your eyes to how good the race issue really is in NZ. I went to UNI for free because I'm Moari and now I'm a lawer in London thanks to mostly middle class white peoples tax money!!!!!! I think that would be unheard of in most other places. I think NZ still has a lot to work on but the changes that have taken place over the last 15 years have been great!!!! And I KNOW that many Maori people are starting to feel that NZ is their home again. Thanks for giving me space to sound off. And lets talk about some of the GOOD things that are happening in NZ rather than moaning about things!!!!! It could BE A LOT WORSE. PEACE lucky hands

lucky hands, Thursday, 22 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I guess people will always be racists (All it takes is one rotten potato (not a great comparison but... I think Canada is less racist than a lot of places. We are the melting pot of the world and I'm happy to say, for one I'm NOT a racist. If I don't get along with someone, it isn't because of Race Religion or Color of their skin. It's because of personality clashes. I would like nothing better on earth than having all people treated like human beings and all abuse in every shape and form STOPPED in it's tracks. Wars should stop worldwide and everyone just get along together. We are going to need each other to accomplish this. Gale

Gale Deslongchamps, Saturday, 24 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Gale, techinically we're not a Melting Pot at all. That term is more commonly used to describe the US and their way of incorporating other cultures into a relatively homogenous American soup.

I believe the Canadian equivalent term, as it was lobbed at me in public school at least, is Cultural Mosaic, because we're more apt to have individuals and cultures remaining "as is" within the whole.

In theory that is.

Kim, Saturday, 24 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Re: the Netherlands, I echo Omar's observations. 'Tolerance' is held up as a Dutch national virtue - there is even a statue to it in Hilversum - but too often it has a self-congratulary, superficial, cosmetic quality. A convenient carpet underwhich vast amounts of intolerence get swept. The peculiar Dutch 'pillar system' of virtual voluntary apartheid (a Dutch word), in which Protestants, Catholics, Socialists + Liberals lived alongside each other in otherwise completely seperate communities (hospitals, schools, social clubs, newspapers, TV stations etc) only really began to breakdown in the '60s. 'Tolerance' then meant agreeing to differ, finding a national modus operandi in which a otherwise deeply divided society could function without friction. But telling an ethnic minority they are 'tolerated' - reaction of many here to Muslims post- 9/11 - is patronising as f**k when they've been born and raised in the Netherlands. As a white European foreigner myself I've found Dutch 'tolerance' can wear pretty thin.

stevo, Saturday, 24 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Frankly that is how i feel about Canada ,

anthony, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I agree about the use of the word 'tolerance': 'oh, we'll allow it and feel good about ourselves for allowing it'.

But as to non-racist countries, I really can't answer. It is - and SO isn't - Britain. The urban areas are pretty good. Problem is every country has a redneck zone, and rednecks are threatened by anything 'different'.

suzy, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I suppose I'm a racist then? *sigh* No wonder I'm just a fringe contributor these days.

However, I think we can all agree now it isn't in Scandinavia.

Robin Carmody, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Hmmm. I wonder which country has the fewest amount of people, the least amount of culture and the furthest contact from the rest of the world. That's the one, whichever one it is.

Nude Spock, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Thanks Kim you are right, and I am glad you explained it. Have a good night :) Gale

Gale Deslongchamps, Tuesday, 27 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Did someone upthread say Antartica? I think that's Nude Spock's answer here.

Robin Carmody, Wednesday, 28 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Yeah, but Antarctica is all white.

Kerry, Wednesday, 28 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Exactly, Kerry. I don't agree with Nude Spock at all - I was humouring him.

Robin Carmody, Thursday, 29 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

also, arent they all just immigrats from taiwan & hk anyway?

phil-two (phil-two), Monday, 24 April 2006 17:00 (eighteen years ago) link

"least racist" is probably the wrong metric, since the least racist country might well be one with only one race. "country in which racial minorities enjoy the greatest range of economic and cultural opportunity, recognition and achievement" might be a better (if considerably wordier) thing to look at.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 24 April 2006 17:03 (eighteen years ago) link

largest # of immigrants /= least racist

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 24 April 2006 17:11 (eighteen years ago) link

no, right, that's the thing, more races and cultures tends to produce more friction. but it also produces more hybridization, miscegenation, cultural interaction, etc. which is why i think "least racist" might be the wrong thing to look for.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 24 April 2006 17:12 (eighteen years ago) link

did you guys read the rest of the thread at all?

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 24 April 2006 17:13 (eighteen years ago) link

TORONTO IS NOT A COUNTRY.

JW (ex machina), Monday, 24 April 2006 17:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I'll second gypsy mothra abt the vaguely racist Daily SHow antics - specifically any time they use clips from a foreign broadcast and then do a goofy voiceover about how silly them crazy furriners are (which they do ALL THE TIME). It isn't KKK-style racism, but they're cheap and lazy laughs, and I don't really see any justification for them.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 24 April 2006 17:16 (eighteen years ago) link

MY FAVORITE COUNTRY IS LOS ANGELES

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 24 April 2006 17:16 (eighteen years ago) link

los angeles is a continent or a hemisphere, i'll get back to you (or is it an hemisphere?)

timmy tannin (pompous), Monday, 24 April 2006 17:19 (eighteen years ago) link

T/S: LAZY COMEDY VS. DEFENDING COUNTRIES WITH HORRIBLE HUMAN RIGHTS RECORDS

JW (ex machina), Monday, 24 April 2006 17:21 (eighteen years ago) link

YA ALL CAPS!

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 24 April 2006 17:24 (eighteen years ago) link

toronto is IN a country

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 24 April 2006 17:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Canada is in America

JW (ex machina), Monday, 24 April 2006 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link

america is in north america

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 24 April 2006 17:27 (eighteen years ago) link

NORTH AMERICA IS IN ALL CAPS!

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 24 April 2006 17:28 (eighteen years ago) link

NORTH AMERICA IS IN AMERICA

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JW (ex machina), Monday, 24 April 2006 17:28 (eighteen years ago) link

This is so much better than doing work right now.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 24 April 2006 17:30 (eighteen years ago) link

massive xposts

stevem, there is a GULF of difference betweeen the meanings inherent in 'tolerance' and 'acceptance'. I prefer the latter. Ideally would like everybody to wake up one morning unperturbed by their neighbours coming from somewhere different.

suzy (suzy), Monday, 24 April 2006 17:31 (eighteen years ago) link

"Pobably Greenland."

You have got to be kidding. You are dead meat if you are a Dane here. The local news is so Greenland-centric you'd think it was the centre of the earth.

I was surprised when I was trying to learn a bit of Polish for my holiday one year, that one of the guys on the tape was a black dude. One unfortunate family in 1950 got off the banana boat in Gdansk!!

JTS (JTS), Monday, 24 April 2006 17:55 (eighteen years ago) link

HINT: Greenland is not Denmark.

JW (ex machina), Monday, 24 April 2006 17:57 (eighteen years ago) link

"HINT: Greenland is not Denmark."

Huh? Greenland has no independence, it is owned by Denmark. Hence the hatred of Danes and those who speak Danish in Greenland (when I said "here" I was talking about Greenland). The native Inuit people are very set in their ways, and the only ever Greenlandic film ever made was an elitist propaganda about an Inuit doing some "soul searching" after his sons became "too Western" (they went on a shooting spree and on of them turned the gun on himself. This is, o course, what being "Western" is all about :P).

JTS (JTS), Monday, 24 April 2006 18:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Greenland has no independence, it is owned by Denmark.

JW (ex machina), Monday, 24 April 2006 18:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Toronto second, behind Miami, in its "List of World Cities with the Largest Percentage of Foreign-born Population".

how many of the "Foreign-born" were born in the "United States"? in real numbers - the number of immigrants who came to New York in the 1990s exceeds the city population of Toronto.

~25% of Torontoans are Asian and ~8% are black. roughly 10% of compare to New Yorkers are Asian, 25% are black non-hispanic, and 27% are hispanic.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 24 April 2006 18:17 (eighteen years ago) link

"Greenland has no independence, it is owned by Denmark."

I wasn't using that to reply to you. I was using that to back up the point I was making, and the link between Greenland and Denmark.

Basically Greenland's pretty racist, we can agree on that one? :)

JTS (JTS), Monday, 24 April 2006 18:22 (eighteen years ago) link

It says a lot that America has a 'Hispanic' racial category, even though this is hardly a race.

Good Dog (Good Dog), Monday, 24 April 2006 18:24 (eighteen years ago) link

what's a "race"?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 24 April 2006 18:24 (eighteen years ago) link

dictionary def: a race is a distinct population of humans distinguished in some way from other humans. The most widely observed races are those based on skin color, facial features, ancestry, and genetics.

As a European person living in an Asian country, I have never bought the line that race doesn't exist.

Good Dog (Good Dog), Monday, 24 April 2006 18:33 (eighteen years ago) link

it says a lot that people are pretending to have a serious discussion on this thread after the title question has been excoriated and made moot by about twenty different people, some of whom then continued to post as if there was something else worthwhile to say on the topic. summary wtf.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 24 April 2006 18:36 (eighteen years ago) link

what does it say that you continue to read it?

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 24 April 2006 18:41 (eighteen years ago) link

had ignored the thread until now

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 24 April 2006 18:42 (eighteen years ago) link

i want to hear more about the spirit country. what's the food like?

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 24 April 2006 18:43 (eighteen years ago) link

As a European person living in an Asian country, I have never bought the line that race doesn't exist.

I'll bet you dress and talk funny too

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 24 April 2006 18:44 (eighteen years ago) link

slock1 I keep hoping somebody will enter into a discussion about Minoriteam with me.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 24 April 2006 18:44 (eighteen years ago) link

stevem, there is a GULF of difference betweeen the meanings inherent in 'tolerance' and 'acceptance'. I prefer the latter. Ideally would like everybody to wake up one morning unperturbed by their neighbours coming from somewhere different.

yes i am well aware of the difference, and i'm sure everyone would rather there be mutual acceptance of eveybody's ethnicities, cultures, religions (i struggle with those last two way more than the first one personally) in addition to mere tolerance - apart from the people who seemingly genuinely would like everyone to think and believe the same thing (a plague on that warless world!). but seems unlikely given how deep-rooted fear and distrust of that which is different is generally.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 24 April 2006 18:45 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.infonexus.com/respek-knuckles.gif

xpost

Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Monday, 24 April 2006 18:47 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm just disappointed that nobody just up and said "MY COUNTRY! MY COUNTRY!". if we all think are countries are such racist hellholes are we just letting ourselves off the hook? setting our standards low?

DEEDS NOT WORDS (vahid), Monday, 24 April 2006 18:50 (eighteen years ago) link

I found out today that the Respek Knuckles thing is actually by one of the brothers who does Homestar Runner.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 24 April 2006 18:56 (eighteen years ago) link

whole world in totally racist SHOCKAH

didn't you guys learn anything from "Crash"?

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 24 April 2006 19:01 (eighteen years ago) link

I learned a good joke about latinos

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 24 April 2006 19:05 (eighteen years ago) link

yes, but not what I was supposed to.

remy (x Jeremy), Monday, 24 April 2006 19:07 (eighteen years ago) link

TOMBOT, please tell your latino joke.

Good Dog (Good Dog), Monday, 24 April 2006 20:11 (eighteen years ago) link

a few months ago i was in hamilton and i met some british guy who had been living in nz for a few years. he told me that he loved new zealand but he thought he'd seen more racism here than in england. "yeah?" i asked him, and he went into this big spiel about how racist it is that new zealand "gives" Maori people "special" rights. i tried to re-educate him, but to no avail.

that totally doesn't answer the question, but i just thought it was a somewhat related anecdote.

awesome is as awesome does (lucylurex), Monday, 24 April 2006 23:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I hate when people ignore 5 year old posts and just write whatever they want - rigid thread enforcement is the bestest.

timmy tannin (pompous), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 00:58 (eighteen years ago) link

sorry

awesome is as awesome does (lucylurex), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 21:49 (eighteen years ago) link

I think it's also important here to differentiate between countries where there are the largest number of people with racist attitudes about 'others' and those where the effects of that racism are worse, more protracted or more insuperable than in others even if their global numbers might be lower.

M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 21:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Go to this URL http://www.billingsgazette.net/ and at the bottom click on the Renaming Squaw Creek Road hits roadblock. Read the comments about the article. Also read the comments about the article Billings woman goes to Mexico to reunite with deported husband
Remember these are postings with out giving real names. The racism is so inbreed and underhanded to make one sick. Many of those claiming to be Native Americans are white racist making fun of the issue. I live in Montana and found your thread trying to see if there is a more non-racist area in the world. I am old and tired...time for the monastery?

Old Asain Warrior, Wednesday, 3 May 2006 03:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Old Asain Warrior just because you don't live in Montana any longer doesn't mean everyone there isn't racist. My grandmother Nancy Mulroon lives in Butte, MO and she doesn't like non-American blacks or Jordanian. Why do you claim your country is not the best? American isn't made up of internet comments for people. Maybe after looking at the information you will come to the realize it is you who is the actual racist after all.

ath (ath), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 03:21 (eighteen years ago) link

ath otn

estela (estela), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 03:39 (eighteen years ago) link

seven years pass...

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