(Special thanks to Slashdot for the hookup)
― Girolamo Savonarola, Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:43 (twenty-two years ago)
― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:45 (twenty-two years ago)
― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:46 (twenty-two years ago)
― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:47 (twenty-two years ago)
― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)
― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)
― robster (robster), Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)
― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:49 (twenty-two years ago)
― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)
― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)
Anakin goes to the Dark Side and becomes Darth Vader. Palpatine becomes Emperor. All the Jedi except Yoda and Obi-Wan are wiped out. Luke and Leia are born. But these aren't exactly spoilers.
― Girolamo Savonarola, Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)
Big space battleHorrible acting & dialogBig chase sceneCrappy acting & dialogGigantic space battleMore crappy acting & dialogChase SceneGiant battleBad actingEnd credits
― Aaron W (Aaron W), Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:51 (twenty-two years ago)
― Girolamo Savonarola, Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:53 (twenty-two years ago)
So, utter bollocks, more likely than not.
haha Aaron W OTM. How do these things leak out?
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:53 (twenty-two years ago)
― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:54 (twenty-two years ago)
― Pete (Pete), Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)
(also Girolamo is totally OTM about all six movies)
― Allyzay, Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)
Well, they already have filmed most of it. Generally speaking, most of these rumors are what are considered "hard" rumors, stuff that's been verified through several people or that they actually have scans of the concept artwork; both Ep I and II had fairly complete synopses by this point in time before release that were mostly accurate. I'm certain that there will be changes made by Lucas down the road, but I tend to think that most of this is the real McCoy. (As much as anyone can tell at this point w/o the CGI.)
― Girolamo Savonarola, Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)
― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 11 December 2003 16:27 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 December 2003 16:32 (twenty-two years ago)
― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 11 December 2003 16:32 (twenty-two years ago)
― Girolamo Savonarola, Thursday, 11 December 2003 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)
― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 11 December 2003 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)
― Kelis (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 December 2003 16:37 (twenty-two years ago)
― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 11 December 2003 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)
― Girolamo Savonarola, Thursday, 11 December 2003 16:39 (twenty-two years ago)
― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 11 December 2003 20:10 (twenty-two years ago)
― stevem (blueski), Friday, 12 December 2003 11:58 (twenty-two years ago)
http://www.spinster.org/photos/black_fleet/wookie.jpg
Naarrghg-hhh--hhh!
― Alfie (Alfie), Friday, 12 December 2003 12:38 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 12 December 2003 13:06 (twenty-two years ago)
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 12 December 2003 13:12 (twenty-two years ago)
On the left, some guy who thought it'd be fun to wear his armor to the festivities. On the right, yours truly.
― El Santo Claus (Kingfish), Friday, 12 December 2003 14:13 (twenty-two years ago)
Now this is just scary:
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/claire.fred/GN-SW/wookie2.JPG
― Alfie (Alfie), Friday, 12 December 2003 14:23 (twenty-two years ago)
― El Santo Claus (Kingfish), Friday, 12 December 2003 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)
Don't believe me? check it:
http://www.starwars.com/episode-iii/bts/production/news20040625.html
more specifically:
http://www.starwars.com/episode-iii/bts/production/img/20040625_bg.jpg
― Kingfish von Bandersnatch (Kingfish), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 04:13 (twenty-one years ago)
OTM.
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 04:34 (twenty-one years ago)
― Huck, Wednesday, 21 July 2004 04:56 (twenty-one years ago)
who's the fool NOW?!
― Kingfish von Bandersnatch (Kingfish), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 05:11 (twenty-one years ago)
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 05:18 (twenty-one years ago)
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 05:19 (twenty-one years ago)
― j e r e m y (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)
Episode 2.5: Attack Of The Clones features Timberlake, Ryan Phillippe and Hayden Christensen.
In other words, someone finally sees what I see.
― R.I.M.A. (Barima), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 15:46 (twenty-one years ago)
when do they announce the title of the film? what are the latest suggestions? MUST have Jedi in surely - Fall Of The Jedi?
― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 16:11 (twenty-one years ago)
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)
― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 16:26 (twenty-one years ago)
― Velveteen Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 16:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― Huk-El (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 16:52 (twenty-one years ago)
I had a great Star Wars revelation the other night, but I've forgotten what it was now.
― jel -- (jel), Sunday, 12 June 2005 16:51 (twenty years ago)
And it would have also transpired that the Emperor had used the power of the Dark Side to kill Padme.
― jel -- (jel), Sunday, 12 June 2005 16:55 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 12 June 2005 17:49 (twenty years ago)
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 12 June 2005 18:23 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 12 June 2005 18:38 (twenty years ago)
― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Sunday, 12 June 2005 19:21 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 12 June 2005 19:31 (twenty years ago)
http://mattzollerseitz.blogspot.com/2006/01/fellowship-of-sith.html
"I now think anyone who reflexively dismisses that possibility that "Sith" is worth discussing AS A MOVIE is, in fact, a cinematic reactionary, a person who has unwittingly rejected the notion that a film's true worth resides in composition, camera movement and editing, rather than middlebrow notions of what's serious. (Critics are sheep; by and large, they like what they are told they should like.) As pop art, is "Sith" inherently less worthy of being taken seriously than ,"Howl's Moving Castle," "Steamboy" or "Corpse Bride?" Let's hope not. If melodramatic cliches, fairy tale tropes, broad physicality and elementary-school-comprehensible language render a film worthless, then those films, plus "War of the Worlds," "The Incredibles" and "Wallace and Gromit: The Curse of the Were-Rabbit," are all blank-outta-luck...
"Sith" is "Macbeth" for elementary schoolers, a primally simple narrative comprised of tropes so exact and conscious that they might as well be pictograms. But while it's simple, it's not simplistic. Lucas' mitochondrial approach to characterization still admits more complexity than most supposedly "adult" Hollywood movies. In "Sith," Anakin does evil things for what he thinks are good reasons; his fate, and the Chancellor's certainty of his own rightness, remind us that no villain thinks he's a villain. That's a lesson, people, one that's aimed not at hip adults who are sure they know everything, but at children. Repeat: children."
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:43 (twenty years ago)
Figures.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:45 (twenty years ago)
― Jimmy Mod: My theme is DEATH (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:46 (twenty years ago)
― Ichigo (ex machina), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:49 (twenty years ago)
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:52 (twenty years ago)
― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:54 (twenty years ago)
― Jimmy Mod: My theme is DEATH (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:55 (twenty years ago)
Also, playing as the emporer means waving your hands in the air and going "FSSHHHHHHHHHHHHH!"
― Pwnjabi MC (Matt Chesnut), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:07 (twenty years ago)
― Jimmy Mod: My theme is DEATH (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:09 (twenty years ago)
And this is bad because...?
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:30 (twenty years ago)
Really, nuthin says 'bored children' like $848,462,555 in ticket sales.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:33 (twenty years ago)
(I have to pull this out one more time)
http://www.tomtaylor.co.uk/images/popepitine.gif
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:40 (twenty years ago)
I'll bet he regrets not writing "Sith-outta-luck..."
― The Yellow Kid, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:41 (twenty years ago)
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:42 (twenty years ago)
― gear (gear), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:43 (twenty years ago)
On the Sith DVD extra about Ani/Vader, a clip from the '77 film with Vader snarling "I WANT THE PRISONERS ALIIIIVE!" makes Lucas' "I never thought people would mistake him for Pure Evil" sound realllly clueless.
Trying to digitally replace Christensen in my head, I was pondering what mid-to-late 20s actor from Hollywood history could've made the hamfisted Turn to the Dark Side work best, and I came up with fledgling Kirk Douglas.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:51 (twenty years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:58 (twenty years ago)
― Dan (Hmmm) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:59 (twenty years ago)
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:03 (twenty years ago)
So... the dialogue, the acting, and the action scenes... but everything else was good? So, 90% of the movie sucked, but the other 10% redeemed it? For me, that 10% is wholely comprised of stuff that HAD to be in the film in order to achieve continuity with the original trilogy. Every scene that didn't offer the cheap thrills of nostalgic familiarity was stale, poorly acted, over-animated, and so on.
I mean, the movie was the best of the new trilogy, sure, but there was just so much there to dislike. And comparing it to films like The Incredibles and Wallace & Gromit is embarrassing. Yes, those films have similar goals. But their ability to accomplish those goals it the main point of separation.
Yes, the movie made a lot of money. No, it wasn't a good movie. Cross reference: Every other bad movie that made a lot of money.
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:04 (twenty years ago)
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:05 (twenty years ago)
I concur, it wasn't good. It wasn't bad, though. It's likeA History of Violence with worse hair.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:06 (twenty years ago)
it's the liberal media's fault!
― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:20 (twenty years ago)
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:26 (twenty years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 20:46 (twenty years ago)
― latebloomer: someone's been drinking my youth! (latebloomer), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 21:16 (twenty years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 21:16 (twenty years ago)
as far as i'm concerned re: those three critic-magnet films cited, i'm ambivalent about unforgiven, city of god is about as good as better luck tomorrow, which means it's pretty mediocre, and a history of violence is even better than advertised.
― gear (gear), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 23:54 (twenty years ago)
his argument (that people don't like sith because they have old-fashioned ideas of what "good" is) is stupid
I don't think he's arguing that, if anything it's that they have, I dunno, 'post-sincerity' ideas of what "good" is? (Trying not to sound like Jedediah Purdy here.) Or just one idea of what it is. I saw a few minutes of the Archers' Thief of Bagdad last night -- a kids' adventure movie that wipes the floor with all the Star Wars movies except the first two, I'd say -- but Seitz thinks ppl are using high-art criteria for adults for Sith rather than a film like that.
ie, if Irvin Kershner and Leigh Brackett had been around, Episode III could've been real good.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 April 2006 14:11 (twenty years ago)
is there any criticism that suggests Lucas's direction on these movies is actually good? Kershner's work on Empire was fantastic, would have loved to see him direct one or all of the prequels.
― i am not a nugget (stevie), Thursday, 6 April 2006 14:29 (twenty years ago)
Frankly, I thought the most 'mythic' moments of the prequels (climaxing in the birth of Vader) were pretty well staged; it's the plotting and characterizations that fell way short.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 April 2006 14:39 (twenty years ago)
completely (and characterisation was Kershner's forte on Empire). also, the action scenes (certainly in the first movie) seemed very fitful, confusing and frustratingly edited.
― i am not a nugget (stevie), Thursday, 6 April 2006 15:18 (twenty years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 6 April 2006 15:25 (twenty years ago)
the plotting was a tough one - presumably much of it goes over many kids heads, so much going on, more intricacies (conceptually at least). in the prequels there's no fixed enemy such as the Empire, just lots of different bad dudes running around here and there (it's not until ROTJ that you have Jabba and co. replace Empire as the major adversary for a large chunk of the film).
no Empire, no fixed 'bad guy' - should've made things more interesting! but it was problematic. in the first film kids don't get much chance to really hate on Maul, plus he looks so badass ala Fett that many probably loved him really. anyway he's gone by the end so what a premature waste. cut to the second film and again the enemies don't have enough screen time for that pantomime effect to really take hold. even in the third film, Anakin's switch to badness is so quick. this has emerged as one of my big gripes with the prequels. but otoh i like that the story avoids predictability and pandering to lowest common denominator in this respect.
― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 6 April 2006 15:37 (twenty years ago)
― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 6 April 2006 15:40 (twenty years ago)
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 April 2006 15:42 (twenty years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 6 April 2006 15:44 (twenty years ago)
...which, in a somewhat twisted, way also explains much of the lame dialogue...
...still i wonder how well he really pulled that off.
i finally bought the DVD the other day as it's down to £7 on amazon.
― Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 6 April 2006 15:45 (twenty years ago)
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 7 April 2006 14:39 (twenty years ago)
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 7 April 2006 14:40 (twenty years ago)
Yup.
http://calebband.org.uk/files/sw.gif
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 April 2006 14:42 (twenty years ago)