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Girolamo Savonarola, Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:43 (twenty-two years ago)

i hear that timberlake dude turns into a cyborg

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:45 (twenty-two years ago)

as long as James Earl Jones and Peter Mayhew get real paid i will be delirious

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:46 (twenty-two years ago)

summary please

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:47 (twenty-two years ago)

issa people gonna die?

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)

yes, him for starters!

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)

HURRAH!!

robster (robster), Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Anakin loses even more limbs (how the hell did this guy get to be a Jedi? jeez)

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:49 (twenty-two years ago)

stevem clip and paste as site is shutdown due slashdotgangbangahoy

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I saw the thread title and thought, for a moment, that this film had already been.

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)

summary please

Anakin goes to the Dark Side and becomes Darth Vader. Palpatine becomes Emperor. All the Jedi except Yoda and Obi-Wan are wiped out. Luke and Leia are born. But these aren't exactly spoilers.

Girolamo Savonarola, Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)

No wait let me guess....

Big space battle
Horrible acting & dialog
Big chase scene
Crappy acting & dialog
Gigantic space battle
More crappy acting & dialog
Chase Scene
Giant battle
Bad acting
End credits

Aaron W (Aaron W), Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:51 (twenty-two years ago)

That's pretty much all six films. (Anyone who thinks otherwise is in denial.)

Girolamo Savonarola, Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:53 (twenty-two years ago)

The first line on the page: "This is an effort to put all existing news and current rumor together in such a way that we (the fans) can visualize what Star Wars Episode 3 will be like over a year before hand"

So, utter bollocks, more likely than not.

haha Aaron W OTM. How do these things leak out?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:53 (twenty-two years ago)

i didnt go to the site, just mentioning what i already knew. there was a very good fan-script (voted the best so far a few months back) via theforce.net that is quite probably based on leaks from the final draft. everything is tied up pretty well, the only drawback i can see is that there's not ENOUGH Vader but i suppose that's to be expected. I think Dooku explains more about Qui-Gon's crapness as a Jedi resulting in no vanishing act when killed. Chewy and Boba are supposed to be in it, not sure about Jar jar tho.

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Does the King return?

Pete (Pete), Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)

HAHAHAHA

(also Girolamo is totally OTM about all six movies)

Allyzay, Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

How do these things leak out?

Well, they already have filmed most of it. Generally speaking, most of these rumors are what are considered "hard" rumors, stuff that's been verified through several people or that they actually have scans of the concept artwork; both Ep I and II had fairly complete synopses by this point in time before release that were mostly accurate. I'm certain that there will be changes made by Lucas down the road, but I tend to think that most of this is the real McCoy. (As much as anyone can tell at this point w/o the CGI.)

Girolamo Savonarola, Thursday, 11 December 2003 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)

when do they celebrate Life Day?

Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 11 December 2003 16:27 (twenty-two years ago)

When the wookie porn is available.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 December 2003 16:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Define Wookiiee porn. (they don't wear clothes anyhoo!)

Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 11 December 2003 16:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Little do you know that the utility belt serves to cover the Wookie genitals, which are located on a Wookiee's left shoulder.

Girolamo Savonarola, Thursday, 11 December 2003 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)

one word for you: SHAVED

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 11 December 2003 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I HATE YOU SO MUCH RIGHT NO! AAAAAAAARGH!

Kelis (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 December 2003 16:37 (twenty-two years ago)

wait til you see the bit where they bring out the Wampa...

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 11 December 2003 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)

"Wanna Wanga?"

Girolamo Savonarola, Thursday, 11 December 2003 16:39 (twenty-two years ago)

saw it on the weekend, total bummer

Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 11 December 2003 20:10 (twenty-two years ago)

what, Wookiee porn?

stevem (blueski), Friday, 12 December 2003 11:58 (twenty-two years ago)

http://ordresith.free.fr/actualite/arkham/images/wookie.jpg

http://www.spinster.org/photos/black_fleet/wookie.jpg

Naarrghg-hhh--hhh!

Alfie (Alfie), Friday, 12 December 2003 12:38 (twenty-two years ago)

That's gotta be the cutest couple I've ever seen! The first one looks more like a dog, mind you.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 12 December 2003 13:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Jawa Porn has a large following in the outer rim, I'ver heard.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 12 December 2003 13:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Taken by some drunk at Detroit's Dally in the Alley back in September:
http://www.osric.com/~jeremy/imp2.jpg

On the left, some guy who thought it'd be fun to wear his armor to the festivities. On the right, yours truly.

El Santo Claus (Kingfish), Friday, 12 December 2003 14:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I can imagine that someone with a stormtropper costume would want to wear it at any given opportunity. His friends must turn up at parties, look around and say "Yep, Ken's wearing the stormtrooper costume again". "He's just added a dog collar because this is a vicars and tarts party".

Now this is just scary:

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/claire.fred/GN-SW/wookie2.JPG

Alfie (Alfie), Friday, 12 December 2003 14:23 (twenty-two years ago)

is that an ewok or a HARVESTER OF SORROWS?!

El Santo Claus (Kingfish), Friday, 12 December 2003 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)

seven months pass...
ANAKIN HAS STROKES HAIR!

Don't believe me? check it:

http://www.starwars.com/episode-iii/bts/production/news20040625.html

more specifically:

http://www.starwars.com/episode-iii/bts/production/img/20040625_bg.jpg

Kingfish von Bandersnatch (Kingfish), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 04:13 (twenty-one years ago)

That's pretty much all six films. (Anyone who thinks otherwise is in denial.)
-- Girolamo Savonarola (gsa...), December 11th, 2003.

OTM.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 04:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I got a spoiler for you...you'll leave the theatre in stunned silence and vow to burn your Return of the Jedi bedding as soon you get home.

Huck, Wednesday, 21 July 2004 04:56 (twenty-one years ago)

ha! i have EMPIRE bedding!

who's the fool NOW?!

Kingfish von Bandersnatch (Kingfish), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 05:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I had pound puppies bed sheets til I was in middle school.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 05:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Due to my parents not throwing them away than anything else.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 05:19 (twenty-one years ago)

omigod, I did too. With pillow cases, too.

j e r e m y (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

i hear that timberlake dude turns into a cyborg
-- cinniblount (littlejohnnyjewe...),

Episode 2.5: Attack Of The Clones features Timberlake, Ryan Phillippe and Hayden Christensen.

In other words, someone finally sees what I see.

R.I.M.A. (Barima), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 15:46 (twenty-one years ago)

i had ROTJ bedding

when do they announce the title of the film? what are the latest suggestions? MUST have Jedi in surely - Fall Of The Jedi?

the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 16:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Star Wars Ep. III - The Search For Curly's Gold

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd go to see that.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Episode III: How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love The Sith

the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)

ha ha

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 16:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Episode III: I, Vader

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 16:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Episode III - Y Tu Mama Tatooine

Velveteen Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 16:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Episode III: Being Vader
Episode III: Fuck All Y'All, Here Comes Tha Ewokz!

Huk-El (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 16:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I missed that! Damn!!

I had a great Star Wars revelation the other night, but I've forgotten what it was now.

jel -- (jel), Sunday, 12 June 2005 16:51 (twenty years ago)

oh, and I would've had it so that Darth asked something like "are the Jedi scum destroyed, my master?" rather than anything about Padme, I'd have had it so that he'd totally forgotten her.

And it would have also transpired that the Emperor had used the power of the Dark Side to kill Padme.

jel -- (jel), Sunday, 12 June 2005 16:55 (twenty years ago)

Caught the Falcon second time through. There's an easter egg page on the official site somewhere.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 12 June 2005 17:49 (twenty years ago)

why would you watch this movie twice??

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 12 June 2005 18:23 (twenty years ago)

There's this thing called personal choice, see. (Friend from work and I caught it again two weeks back.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 12 June 2005 18:38 (twenty years ago)

Ned, there's no reason to catch personal choice in this day and age...just use a bit of common sense. Thankfully there's an over-the-counter ointment available.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Sunday, 12 June 2005 19:21 (twenty years ago)

Mmmm, smeary.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 12 June 2005 19:31 (twenty years ago)

nine months pass...
Finally saw it last weekend and, while finding many of the obvious groaners (dialogue, Hayden, Ian McDiarmid unable to act like anything but a chickenhawk, battle scenes = videogames), not at all excruciating. And there is a core of respectable critics who advocate that Lucas is still a successful artist, like Seitz:

http://mattzollerseitz.blogspot.com/2006/01/fellowship-of-sith.html

"I now think anyone who reflexively dismisses that possibility that "Sith" is worth discussing AS A MOVIE is, in fact, a cinematic reactionary, a person who has unwittingly rejected the notion that a film's true worth resides in composition, camera movement and editing, rather than middlebrow notions of what's serious. (Critics are sheep; by and large, they like what they are told they should like.) As pop art, is "Sith" inherently less worthy of being taken seriously than ,"Howl's Moving Castle," "Steamboy" or "Corpse Bride?" Let's hope not. If melodramatic cliches, fairy tale tropes, broad physicality and elementary-school-comprehensible language render a film worthless, then those films, plus "War of the Worlds," "The Incredibles" and "Wallace and Gromit: The Curse of the Were-Rabbit," are all blank-outta-luck...

"Sith" is "Macbeth" for elementary schoolers, a primally simple narrative comprised of tropes so exact and conscious that they might as well be pictograms. But while it's simple, it's not simplistic. Lucas' mitochondrial approach to characterization still admits more complexity than most supposedly "adult" Hollywood movies. In "Sith," Anakin does evil things for what he thinks are good reasons; his fate, and the Chancellor's certainty of his own rightness, remind us that no villain thinks he's a villain. That's a lesson, people, one that's aimed not at hip adults who are sure they know everything, but at children. Repeat: children."

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:43 (twenty years ago)

Lucas' mitochondrial approach

Figures.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:45 (twenty years ago)

I just farted a little bit.

Jimmy Mod: My theme is DEATH (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:46 (twenty years ago)

You misspelled "midichlorian".

Ichigo (ex machina), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:49 (twenty years ago)

"If it was in Japanese with English subtitles, you wouldn't be making fun of it."

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:52 (twenty years ago)

Children who will undoubtedly be bored out of their minds by everything in the movie that takes place in between the bouts of violence. Insert tarantino sucks joke here.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:54 (twenty years ago)

Tombot in taking break from romance to discuss Staar Wars SHOCKAH

Jimmy Mod: My theme is DEATH (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:55 (twenty years ago)

I work in after school care and these kids are DEFINITELY NOT BORED by this movie because they play Star Wars ALL THE DAMN TIME. But these kids are so little that they could not piece together that Anakin becomes Darth Vader so, no, YOU CANNOT PLAY ANAKIN VS. DARTH VADER LIGHTSABER DUEL BECAUSE IT IS NOT POSSIBLE, unless you wish to dramatize his internal struggle, in which case YOU KINDERGARTENERS MIGHT BE GENIUSES.

Also, playing as the emporer means waving your hands in the air and going "FSSHHHHHHHHHHHHH!"

Pwnjabi MC (Matt Chesnut), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:07 (twenty years ago)

That's electricity, dude.

Jimmy Mod: My theme is DEATH (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:09 (twenty years ago)

Ian McDiarmid unable to act like anything but a chickenhawk

And this is bad because...?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:30 (twenty years ago)

He's a Sith lord, not an archbishop!

Really, nuthin says 'bored children' like $848,462,555 in ticket sales.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:33 (twenty years ago)

He's a sith lord, not an archbishop!

(I have to pull this out one more time)

http://www.tomtaylor.co.uk/images/popepitine.gif

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:40 (twenty years ago)

If melodramatic cliches, fairy tale tropes, broad physicality and elementary-school-comprehensible language render a film worthless, then those films, plus "War of the Worlds," "The Incredibles" and "Wallace and Gromit: The Curse of the Were-Rabbit," are all blank-outta-luck...

I'll bet he regrets not writing "Sith-outta-luck..."

The Yellow Kid, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:41 (twenty years ago)

The best acting in the new trilogy occurs in the opera scene: McDiarmid, at his least unctuous, making Christensen hard with his story of Darth Plagieus Da Wise

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:42 (twenty years ago)

this movie is good! i might buy it, but then i'd feel obligated to buy the other two, and there's only half a good movie there (all in Ep. II)

gear (gear), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:43 (twenty years ago)

You can understand why everyone in that galaxy talks like that if that 'opera' is their art...

On the Sith DVD extra about Ani/Vader, a clip from the '77 film with Vader snarling "I WANT THE PRISONERS ALIIIIVE!" makes Lucas' "I never thought people would mistake him for Pure Evil" sound realllly clueless.

Trying to digitally replace Christensen in my head, I was pondering what mid-to-late 20s actor from Hollywood history could've made the hamfisted Turn to the Dark Side work best, and I came up with fledgling Kirk Douglas.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:51 (twenty years ago)

I stopped watching this movie at the "opera" scene cuz I was BORED OUT OF MY FUCKING SKULL.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:58 (twenty years ago)

Why do adults always assume that kids find the same things boring that they find boring?

Dan (Hmmm) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:59 (twenty years ago)

But I've always assumed kids would find, say, Silas Marner as boring as I do!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:03 (twenty years ago)

(dialogue, Hayden, Ian McDiarmid unable to act like anything but a chickenhawk, battle scenes = videogames)

So... the dialogue, the acting, and the action scenes... but everything else was good? So, 90% of the movie sucked, but the other 10% redeemed it? For me, that 10% is wholely comprised of stuff that HAD to be in the film in order to achieve continuity with the original trilogy. Every scene that didn't offer the cheap thrills of nostalgic familiarity was stale, poorly acted, over-animated, and so on.

I mean, the movie was the best of the new trilogy, sure, but there was just so much there to dislike. And comparing it to films like The Incredibles and Wallace & Gromit is embarrassing. Yes, those films have similar goals. But their ability to accomplish those goals it the main point of separation.

Yes, the movie made a lot of money. No, it wasn't a good movie. Cross reference: Every other bad movie that made a lot of money.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:04 (twenty years ago)

-it +is, obviously.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:05 (twenty years ago)

Silas Marner, Jedi Hoarder

I concur, it wasn't good. It wasn't bad, though. It's likeA History of Violence with worse hair.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:06 (twenty years ago)

(Critics are sheep; by and large, they like what they are told they should like.)

it's the liberal media's fault!

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:20 (twenty years ago)

?? that's not a Seitz-type sentiment (esp since he's a TV critic for a daily, film for a weekly). There's no other explanation for the lemminglike near-unanimity around stuff from Unforgiven to City of God to AHOV to keep all the brows covered.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:26 (twenty years ago)

his argument (that people don't like sith because they have old-fashioned ideas of what "good" is) is stupid and desperate

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 20:46 (twenty years ago)

almost as bad as "the originals weren't actually that good anyway!"

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 20:46 (twenty years ago)

http://img215.exs.cx/img215/9551/lucasmickey8jv.jpg

latebloomer: someone's been drinking my youth! (latebloomer), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 21:16 (twenty years ago)

god how I hate him

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 21:16 (twenty years ago)

i think there are many people who will like something based on trying to squeeze it into their preconceived notions, but the vast majority of people don't. more likely, people will see something based on acclaim, but they won't necessarily like it.

as far as i'm concerned re: those three critic-magnet films cited, i'm ambivalent about unforgiven, city of god is about as good as better luck tomorrow, which means it's pretty mediocre, and a history of violence is even better than advertised.

gear (gear), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 23:54 (twenty years ago)

Star Wars, The Ring of the Niebelungen and Lancelot Link, Secret Chimp are based on the same source material.

his argument (that people don't like sith because they have old-fashioned ideas of what "good" is) is stupid

I don't think he's arguing that, if anything it's that they have, I dunno, 'post-sincerity' ideas of what "good" is? (Trying not to sound like Jedediah Purdy here.) Or just one idea of what it is. I saw a few minutes of the Archers' Thief of Bagdad last night -- a kids' adventure movie that wipes the floor with all the Star Wars movies except the first two, I'd say -- but Seitz thinks ppl are using high-art criteria for adults for Sith rather than a film like that.

ie, if Irvin Kershner and Leigh Brackett had been around, Episode III could've been real good.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 April 2006 14:11 (twenty years ago)

ie, if Irvin Kershner and Leigh Brackett had been around, Episode III could've been real good.

is there any criticism that suggests Lucas's direction on these movies is actually good? Kershner's work on Empire was fantastic, would have loved to see him direct one or all of the prequels.

i am not a nugget (stevie), Thursday, 6 April 2006 14:29 (twenty years ago)

well, he's about 83 and hasn't directed in 15+ years.

Frankly, I thought the most 'mythic' moments of the prequels (climaxing in the birth of Vader) were pretty well staged; it's the plotting and characterizations that fell way short.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 April 2006 14:39 (twenty years ago)

Frankly, I thought the most 'mythic' moments of the prequels (climaxing in the birth of Vader) were pretty well staged; it's the plotting and characterizations that fell way short.

completely (and characterisation was Kershner's forte on Empire). also, the action scenes (certainly in the first movie) seemed very fitful, confusing and frustratingly edited.

i am not a nugget (stevie), Thursday, 6 April 2006 15:18 (twenty years ago)

if ep 3 really had been an old-fashioned, super-entertaining romp with no "high-art" cred, i'd be the first in line to defend it! really, i would!

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 6 April 2006 15:25 (twenty years ago)

it's the plotting and characterizations that fell way short

the plotting was a tough one - presumably much of it goes over many kids heads, so much going on, more intricacies (conceptually at least). in the prequels there's no fixed enemy such as the Empire, just lots of different bad dudes running around here and there (it's not until ROTJ that you have Jabba and co. replace Empire as the major adversary for a large chunk of the film).

no Empire, no fixed 'bad guy' - should've made things more interesting! but it was problematic. in the first film kids don't get much chance to really hate on Maul, plus he looks so badass ala Fett that many probably loved him really. anyway he's gone by the end so what a premature waste. cut to the second film and again the enemies don't have enough screen time for that pantomime effect to really take hold. even in the third film, Anakin's switch to badness is so quick. this has emerged as one of my big gripes with the prequels. but otoh i like that the story avoids predictability and pandering to lowest common denominator in this respect.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 6 April 2006 15:37 (twenty years ago)

s1ocki what do you say are the examples of 'high-art' cred in episode 3?

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 6 April 2006 15:40 (twenty years ago)

yeahhh, i was wonderin... also, Empire introduced the Freudian stuff / Wagnerian echoes, all to the good. The execution is everything.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 April 2006 15:42 (twenty years ago)

no i'm not saying there WAS any high-art cred, i'm responding to Morbius's "but Seitz thinks ppl are using high-art criteria for adults for Sith rather than a film like that."

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 6 April 2006 15:44 (twenty years ago)

(in other words i'm saying the movie's high-artiness or rather lack thereof had nothing to do with why i didn't like it)

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 6 April 2006 15:44 (twenty years ago)

remember that all-important Lucas quote along the lines of "I wanted people (kids?) to be able to know what was going on even with the sound off"

...which, in a somewhat twisted, way also explains much of the lame dialogue...

...still i wonder how well he really pulled that off.

i finally bought the DVD the other day as it's down to £7 on amazon.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 6 April 2006 15:45 (twenty years ago)

I just found out what "mitochlorides" are re the typo in the Seitz column, as only a Master Geek could retain that. (I still have no idea who Boba Fett is.)

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 7 April 2006 14:39 (twenty years ago)

or IS it a typo? I guess Lucas' style could be mitochondrian... since that's an actual word.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 7 April 2006 14:40 (twenty years ago)

also, Empire introduced the Freudian stuff / Wagnerian echoes, all to the good. The execution is everything.

Yup.

http://calebband.org.uk/files/sw.gif

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 April 2006 14:42 (twenty years ago)


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