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"Think Canada's the place to be? Think again!"

CLEARLY, my favorite line in the column...

"Living in Canada made me feel like a barn animal in George Orwell's Animal Farm. My only worry is that someday the United States will resemble Canada. Sort of like one giant Seattle. That would be my nightmare."

HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

donut bitch (donut), Friday, 12 December 2003 20:46 (twenty-two years ago)

SPACE NEEDLES, LATTES, AND BLACK MOPPED POST-PUNK HIPSTERS FOR ALL! MUAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH!

donut bitch (donut), Friday, 12 December 2003 20:46 (twenty-two years ago)

augh! i can't believe this lady is so cynical!!--yet so funny.

Grell (Grell), Friday, 12 December 2003 21:02 (twenty-two years ago)

The Canadian middle class has almost been taxed out of existence.

I know many people who would pee their pants with glee about this.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 12 December 2003 21:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I figure they should draft her husband and send him to Iraq and not let him come back. Patriotism!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 12 December 2003 21:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Is bilingualism what "most" of Canadian taxes are paying for? That seems unlikely...

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 12 December 2003 21:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Canada is officially bilingual and that means everything must be in French and English. Everything. It's the law.

*sputters*

may pang (maypang), Friday, 12 December 2003 21:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Also: My husband speaks French fluently but not by Canadian government standards. He'd be passed over in employment by someone who speaks a government-approved level of French.

Wah wah waaaaaah. Sorry he couldn't study a bit harder, hope he enjoys his job at the sports memorabilia store.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 12 December 2003 21:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I have to say we were disappointed at the severe lack of bilingual stuff in many parts of Canada.

I'm glad the Seattle Times doesn't feel the need to factcheck these sorts of things.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 12 December 2003 21:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Is she the daughter of Gordon Sinclair?

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Friday, 12 December 2003 21:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought Canada was the place to be. Now I've thought again.

Nemo (JND), Friday, 12 December 2003 21:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Obviously, this woman isn't part of the "Brain Drain" she references in the piece.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 12 December 2003 21:12 (twenty-two years ago)

what a completely retarded pile of drool. there's no way this person ever lived in canada. i don't know where to begin there are so many mistakes. what a cunt.

dyson (dyson), Friday, 12 December 2003 21:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Honestly though.. how Canadian is that turtleneck?

may pang (maypang), Friday, 12 December 2003 21:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Clearly she's a Karl Rove operative sent to destabilize Canada!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 12 December 2003 21:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Official bilingualism — This is what most of the taxes pay for.

Wow, sign this woman up for the new and improved Conservative Party of Canada, now with 50% more Reform.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 12 December 2003 21:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I saw a rerun of Rick Mercer's cbc show made in canada yesterday where he drove an annoying american away from canada by exagerating stories like that. at first she was like "I love canada because an american can live like a GOD in here!" then they started to complain about the woes of socialism, one of em had to wait 24 hours to see a doctor who was only speaking french etcetc but it was a joke eh :-)

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Friday, 12 December 2003 21:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Imagine an American president and one political party in power for over 10 years. That's what's happened in Canada.

over ten years!

teeny (teeny), Friday, 12 December 2003 21:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Uh, FDR?

Nemo (JND), Friday, 12 December 2003 21:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Guess this woman never heard of Mackenzie-King, prime minister from 1935 to 1948 (along with two other terms before hand).

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 12 December 2003 21:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Bah, there's nothing in that article about black mopped postpunk hipsters

Fug (Ferg), Friday, 12 December 2003 21:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm glad the Seattle Times doesn't feel the need to factcheck these sorts of things.

I'm actually giving the Times credit for running this just to get a gagload of hate mail in return, and for cheap publicity. Fact checking, HA! Why?

donut bitch (donut), Friday, 12 December 2003 21:26 (twenty-two years ago)

It was a "guest columnist" anyway. So she could Ann Coultered all over the place if she wanted.

donut bitch (donut), Friday, 12 December 2003 21:27 (twenty-two years ago)

There's something very Reader's Digest about that column that disturbs me, though.

donut bitch (donut), Friday, 12 December 2003 21:28 (twenty-two years ago)

And the one very obvious logic mindtwister

WHY ARE YOU FUCKING LIVING IN SEATTLE IF YOUR GRAND FEAR OF A FUTURE OF AMERICA IS ONE BIG SEATTLE? MOVE! GO TO "REAL" AMERICA, LIKE BOISE OR SOMETHING.

donut bitch (donut), Friday, 12 December 2003 21:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Obviously our oppressive 9% sales tax is keeping her down.

donut bitch (donut), Friday, 12 December 2003 21:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I was gonna say "The Onion" rather than "Reader's Digest" actually.

(ps. if she'd like to see more rusted-out cars she's more than welcome to go to North Dakota, Missouri and even places like Yamagata Japan.)

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 12 December 2003 21:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Rusted out car in Nova Scotia or New Brunswick? They are illegal.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 12 December 2003 21:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I've seen more rusted cars in the South than any part of America. Damn Dixie liberals and their socialist fiscal policies!

donut bitch (donut), Friday, 12 December 2003 21:33 (twenty-two years ago)

More gratitous yankee Canadian bashing, courtesy of the Rochester Democrat and Chronicle:

Welcome to Toronto?
Lisa Hutchurson
Staff writer

(December 6, 2003) TORONTO — Usually we don’t dedicate a large, front-page story to Toronto unless something really big happens, like the outbreak of another virulent disease.

But then we saw how the Toronto media had taken time out of their busy schedule — running cheesecake shots (“Deanna is a hazel-eyed Sagittarius with a goal to land a career in advertising… ” ) and roasts of unwitting stars du jour — to take the pulse of our very own city!

In writing about the ferry to link Toronto and Rochester, the Toronto media even bothered to take a thorough, seven-minute-or-so look at all its American neighbor has to offer, listing the many pros and cons:

CONS: Violent crime and treacherous neighborhoods and massive layoffs and crumbling buildings and soul-crushing gloom and dirty-faced citizens in Les Miserables costumes begging for greasy Garbage Plates in the streets.

PROS: Love Canal is a mere 85 miles (or 136.79 kilometers) away!

So, we here in this beleaguered city on the south shore of Lake Ontario — having received our latest proverbial wedgie in the hall, this time courtesy of Globe and Mail reporter Jan Wong — thought, “Hey, wouldn’t Torontonians love it if we did the same for them?”

So a team (OK, two people) went to investigate. As tourism officials up there say, it was “time for a little Toronto.”

Our first taste of Toronto (motto: Come for the all-day rush hour! Stay for the inefficient public-transit system!) began Tuesday with the call center at the Toronto Convention & Visitors Association. We can tell you we felt the love immediately from the customer service representative as we misunderstood one of this goodwill ambassador’s questions, to which she laughed as though she were Paris Hilton eyeing our latest Target boots.

Then she tried to sell us on pricey lodging, despite our request for “something inexpensive in a decent area.” Albeit grudgingly, she obliged us by recommending the lowly Best Western: $68.49 American a night for two people. Of course, this didn’t include our $11.50 parking charge, our $3.41 Canadian goods and services tax (GST), our $4.78 provincial goods and services tax (PST), our continental breakfast tax (CBT), our convenient tray of soaps tax (CTST) and last but not least, our totally hosed in Toronto tax (THTT).

Our next sampling of “The World’s Best-Kept Travel Secret” was driving into it late at night. Half-blinded by the retina-searing, nuclear-waste-orange street lamps of the Queen Elizabeth Way (QEW), we could still catch a glimpse of the world’s tallest, free-standing structure: one of several thousand construction cranes, about 136.79 kilometers high.

No crumbling buildings here. There are, however, plenty of poured-concrete, 1970s-contemporary leftovers lit with enough blacklights to make them look like a pothead’s apartment.
We found the Best Western on Carlton Street, despite all the minuscule or missing street signs — signs that should’ve borne the proud, distinctive names of Canada’s feisty, rebellious and independent past: King Street, Queen Street, Winston Churchill Boulevard, Parliament Street, Unsubstantial Commonwealth Realm Avenue and Lumpy Pudding Crumpet Lane.

We got up early the next morning to catch the local TV news, chock-full of the makings of Torontonian civic boosterism:
In a poll that asked 500 Toronto residents what issues City Council should focus on, 16 percent said “safety” and 10 percent chose “homelessness and poverty.” “Traffic” and “public transit” each garnered 7 percent. One percent surveyed were most concerned about “killing the bridge” — or nixing construction of an island airport bridge already approved by council four times. We have no idea what happened to the other 59 percent surveyed.

Canada’s fatal DWIs are on the rise for the first time in a decade. In 2001 — the most recent statistics available — 38 percent of fatally injured drivers had been drinking, up from 34 percent in 1999. And 15.8 percent of Canadians polled in May admitted they’d driven drunk in the past month.

Three youths were charged in the slaying of a 12-year-old Toronto boy and the wounding of his stepdad. The boy had been beaten with a baseball bat before getting his throat slashed. The suspects allegedly had a hit list of 13 to 15 other targets.

The QEW was clogged again, as documented by TV rush-hour cams.

Deciding on a driving tour anyway, we start barreling down the QEW at a breakneck speed of 17 miles an hour. It takes us a half-hour to go three miles.

Our first destination is City Hall. But first we have to pass the friendly community of homeless people living in tents where the expressway meets York Street. Our mission: to chat with newly elected Toronto Mayor David Miller. Described by the Toronto media as “a 44-year-old Harvard-educated veteran of local politics,” Miller was elected on a promise to stop “a most unacceptable decline in city services,” clean up “polluted port lands,” tackle “persistent litter and graffiti problems” and “put an end to the corruption and backroom deals that marred the leadership of flamboyant, ex-furniture salesman (and former mayor) Mel Lastman.”

Understandably, Mr. Miller was busy inside City Hall — a concrete building straight out of The Jetsons topped with a flying saucer sort of edifice. Urging his new City Council to revoke support for the bridge, Miller stressed the need to focus instead on a “stunning, revitalized waterfront.”

“As we approach this debate,” he was reported saying beforehand in the Globe and Mail, “we must ask ourselves — will we ever revitalize this waterfront, will we ever clean up our polluted port lands, will we ever make this shoreline inviting and beautiful from Scarborough to Etobicoke if we allow the construction of the bridge to proceed?”

Not that the rundown industrial buildings, stacked boxcars and chainlink fences we saw along the beach wouldn’t provide ferry riders with a welcoming backdrop.

Time to hit the CN Tower, “Canada’s Modern Wonder of the World.” This time, however, we’d take a cab. Big mistake. By the time we got there, it cost $30; the driver got confused on the way to Cherry Street. At least it softened the blow for the bare-bones, $14.47 per-person tower ride.

The wait didn’t seem that bad either, with only two people ahead of us in line at the city’s premier tourist attraction. And we must recommend the tower’s glass floor. Not only do you get to look straight down at the concrete tower, but also the view includes a quaint parking lot.

We passed on eating at the tower’s 360 Restaurant (motto: Hey ROCHESTER! OUR restaurant still REVOLVES!) Sure, it may have been a little pretentious (black pepper pappardelle on Quebec wild boar ragoût with Pecorino Romano), but it still managed to stay ridiculously overpriced ($57 American for a 16-ounce portion of Canadian prime rib).

We could, however, afford Planet Hollywood, strategically housed at the base of the tower. The salmon was so raw and fishy-tasting it had to be sent back, and the American celebrity-oriented decor was less than stunning: white sheets of paper with exciting black, laser-printed dummy text (lab props from a Hugh Grant movie!) kept safe behind Plexiglas.
On to Nicholby’s Gifts & Souvenirs, also at the base of the CN Tower, for all of your shot glass and snow globe needs. “Lowest prices in Toronto!” read the sign. For $5.87 American, we could buy a half-mug proclaiming “Toronto was so expensive, I could only afford half a cup!”

Good thing the people are friendly! Like the woman who shoved her way in front of us at the subway token desk when we refused to produce our loonies at lightning speed and refused to step back, even when Token Guy asked her to. Or the woman in the regional transit line who saw our cameras and immediately interrogated us like a border official. Who were we? Where were we from? And did we have anything at all to declare?

Reporters from Rochester, N.Y., we said. And we did have something to declare: Toronto, which excels at the art of trashing, was starting to get a little stinky itself. The woman took it well, displaying a real can-take-it-as-well-as-dish-it-out attitude, even accusing us of being “unfair” and “biased.” Deliberately interviewing people in horrendously long lines! Shame on us!

Unfortunately, because of the time and hassle involved in trying to traverse this sprawlopolis — that is, if we didn’t want to hang off the back of a streetcar so smushed full of people, their faces were pressed against the glass — we didn’t get to many of Toronto’s other cutting-edge attractions, like the Ontario Science Center, which — on a visit two summers ago — looked as if it hadn’t been updated or repaired since it opened in ‘69.
Next on our mission: a more literal taste of Toronto. Although the townies suggested chichi Thai, Chinese and Greek, we longed for something truly Toronto. Unable to even find anything even distinctly Canadian, we settled on a borrowed dish — a Quebec favorite known as poutine. This cup o’ fries congealed with pumped-on brown gravy (we think it’s Heinz) and cheese curd makes our Garbage Plate look like a garden salad. And it tastes like … well, like a cup o’fries with gravy.

“It’s the biggest seller here,” said the poutine purveyor at New York Fries (slogan: “Authentically New York” ).

Of course, no trip to Toronto would be complete without the homeless people, camped out on warm sewer grates.
“I’d rather stay on the street,” said Gary LeBouthillier, sharing some classy wine with friends. “The shelters have bedbugs. They’re disgusting. People are crazy. It’s dirty in there.”

More recipients of civic dumpsterism were to be found at Queen Street East and Sherbourne Street, just past the charming, barred shops with names like Stop-N-Cash and Chip & Dip Convenience.

“Yeah, you got your hookers and your crackheads and your drug dealers and your weed smokers,” explained the home-free Troy Davis. “They’re hiding now because it’s cold out. But in warm weather, between 10 and 2 a.m., there’s at least 50 of them on these four corners.”

Thanks, Troy!

It seemed a good time to end our day — and night, we’d discover — on the QEW.


Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Friday, 12 December 2003 21:34 (twenty-two years ago)

That's not gratuitous. They made fun of Rochester first!

Nemo (JND), Friday, 12 December 2003 21:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, and the thing is: most of the facts there are correct. Well done.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 12 December 2003 21:41 (twenty-two years ago)

What is this Rochester? Is that like a city?

Except the tent part.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 12 December 2003 21:42 (twenty-two years ago)

No crumbling buildings here. There are, however, plenty of poured-concrete, 1970s-contemporary leftovers lit with enough blacklights to make them look like a pothead’s apartment.

Awesome! I bet it's like living in Woody Allen's Sleeper!

nate detritus (natedetritus), Friday, 12 December 2003 21:43 (twenty-two years ago)

And where are these blacklights?

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 12 December 2003 21:51 (twenty-two years ago)

here is eye magazine's responset to the above article:


HOGTOWN ROASTED BY SOME TOWN IN THE STATES

Denizens of the centre of the universe were surprised to learn from the Globe and Mail's Jan Wong on Nov. 29 that there's a city across Lake Ontario in Michigan called Rochester, which apparently we will soon be able to get to on a fast ferry. Wong's view of the city -- plagued by violent crime, high unemployment, crumbling buildings -- was essentially that no one on this side of the lake should really bother riding the ferry. Apparently this didn't go over well in that sleepy little Illinois burg.

The Rochester Democrat and Chronicle struck back on Dec. 6 with a front-page article attacking Toronto ("Come for the all-day rush hour!" the story says, "Stay for the inefficient public-transit system!"). Among the horrors they found in our city were traffic and ugly orange lights on the QEW, a mayor too busy to meet with reporters from this uppity New Hampshire town, lots of construction, fish served (gasp!) medium-rare, expensive cab fares, people who were rude to them when they held up the queue at the subway and a hotel-room on Carlton that cost them the outrageous (by their pastoral Maine standards) sum of US$68.49 per night plus taxes.

Citizens of Toronto: we cannot continue to antagonize these people of Rochester, Massachusetts -- they have seen through our friendly charade and stung us with their razor wit. Call off the dogs, Rochester, we admit it: we are big and sophisticated and rich. You win.

dyson (dyson), Friday, 12 December 2003 22:01 (twenty-two years ago)

responset=response
hogtown=toronto

dyson (dyson), Friday, 12 December 2003 22:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Personally, I think Canada's biggest crime is that you can't buy a beer in a store after 9pm (at least in B.C.) Taxes, inadequade health care, bah!

donut bitch (donut), Friday, 12 December 2003 22:03 (twenty-two years ago)

donut, otm - i should be able to buy a beer at 4am from a newstand and drink it whilst stumbling down the sidewalk when and wherever i please¡

dyson (dyson), Friday, 12 December 2003 22:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Are there any late-night hooch stores in Toronto? 9pm is ridiculous, even if i live by the LCBO...

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Friday, 12 December 2003 22:08 (twenty-two years ago)

10 is when they're open to on weekends. or popular ones on weekdays.

dyson (dyson), Friday, 12 December 2003 22:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Mine is open 10pm every day except Sunday (5pm) and there are a couple of beer stores open till 11pm, but not meny. I think the at Spadina and Dupont area store is one such as that.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 12 December 2003 22:25 (twenty-two years ago)

That's one thing that I like about Quebec. You can buy booze just about anywhere and at any time of the day.

Those restaurants in Montreal where you can bring your own wine are pretty fantastic too.

may pang (maypang), Friday, 12 December 2003 22:30 (twenty-two years ago)

You should be able to bring your own wine to any decent establishment for a small corking fee.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 12 December 2003 22:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Niagra On The Lake to thread.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 12 December 2003 22:32 (twenty-two years ago)

God, I hate that place.

may pang (maypang), Friday, 12 December 2003 22:33 (twenty-two years ago)

The "black light" stuff probably refers to the cool indigo lights they shine on Skydome at night:

http://www.pvx.com/events/direxions02/images/skydome_night_sm_jpg.jpg
http://www.wttc.com/TO_skyline.jpg

Which is not to mention that electric purple shit on old city hall which is freaky looking enough, even in daylight (I think it once even cameoed in an episode of Star Trek TNG as an image from some alien world)

Kim (Kim), Saturday, 13 December 2003 03:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Wow, it's impressive when Rochester feels it has any right to be smug and superior to any other city (with the possible exception of Buffalo).

Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 13 December 2003 04:14 (twenty-two years ago)

God, I hate that place.

And whats wrong with that place? Not Niagra Falls with its Frankenstien eating a whopper tackiness?

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Saturday, 13 December 2003 04:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, it has its flaws. Quaint doesn't excuse everything ya know. :)

Kim (Kim), Saturday, 13 December 2003 04:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Does good wine?

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Saturday, 13 December 2003 04:53 (twenty-two years ago)

That's a toughie - but we must consider that it's too much "good wine" that often creates things that need excusing.

Kim (Kim), Saturday, 13 December 2003 04:59 (twenty-two years ago)

with good perschuito and pear?

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Saturday, 13 December 2003 05:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I think it's the horse drawn carriages that kill it for me.

may pang (maypang), Saturday, 13 December 2003 05:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually.. I hate how a lot of small towns in Ontario are going the way of Niagra on the Lake and doing everything they can to lure in people from the city to come visit. I took a vacation down to Pennsylvania this summer and I was happy to visit smaller towns that actually felt REAL for a change.

may pang (maypang), Saturday, 13 December 2003 05:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah - all those Paul and Karla carriage wedding photos didn't help that particular image either.

I know what you mean though - all the "old time" signage etc? I guess that means we'll forget that they have a Home Depot and a Wal-Mart on the edge of town.

Kim (Kim), Saturday, 13 December 2003 05:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I haven't met anyone from the small towns I've lived in who would choose a REAL small town.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Saturday, 13 December 2003 05:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't mind me, Im being bitchy.
Hopefully I'll never live in a town with a slogan like "The Best Town By A Damm Site" ever again.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Saturday, 13 December 2003 05:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Ok, you totally win there. I'm much more nostalgic for the fake small towns like Niagra than say, Trenton.

Kim (Kim), Saturday, 13 December 2003 05:31 (twenty-two years ago)

My grandmother used to live in a small town with a slogan (on a sign right as you were driving into town)..."Welcome to Homestead, Odor Control Capital of the Country". I always thought that was funny. They took it down though. This has nothing whatsoever to do with Canada.

JuliaA (j_bdules), Saturday, 13 December 2003 05:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Trenton, NJ? Since when is that a small town?

Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 13 December 2003 05:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I used to live in a real small town. It was fan-fucking-tastic.

For the first month.

But yeah.. it's totally stuff like the signage that gets to me. I understand that it's becoming increasingly difficult for small towns to be relevant and profitable within Ontario, but that doesn't necessarily mean they have to whore themselves out to outoftowners who have some la-dee-da notion of how life out in the country should be, does it?

may pang (maypang), Saturday, 13 December 2003 05:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I am tempted to find out how much a "second home" in Kandahar, Saskatchewan, would cost, but I fear if I actually tried to use it as a sort of writing getaway place that I wouldn't survive there very long.

Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 13 December 2003 05:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Nope, Trenton Ontario. About 18K and shrinking - Canadian Forces Base too.

Kim (Kim), Saturday, 13 December 2003 05:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Hats off to JuliaA for coming up with a worse slogan then my old shithole. I didn't think it possible.

Taking sides Sydney Mines Vs Lunenburg.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Saturday, 13 December 2003 05:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Whore themselves out? Having a job in tourism doesn't make you a whore to the capitalist system. And Id much rather have Niagra on the lake then Niagra Falls. Though I have a soft spot for St Thomas.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Saturday, 13 December 2003 05:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Taking sides Sydney Mines VS. Port Hawkesbury.

may pang (maypang), Saturday, 13 December 2003 05:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not so sure about all those stores that sell wooden crafty shit with red and white gingham and homey handpainted sayings either. I mean, time and place maybe. Like when I'm on vacation. Maybe I really am an arrogant Torontonian now.

Kim (Kim), Saturday, 13 December 2003 05:40 (twenty-two years ago)

My knowledge of small towns in Ontario is almost utterly lacking, especially compared with my knowledge of small towns in Saskatchewan, which if things go at their current rate will be utterly frightening by late 2005. I'm going to turn into an idiot savant who does nothing but natter on about Mozart, Eldorado, and whatever that town is that's named after the train engine part. Flux Capacitor, SK, or something like that.

This might have already happened, actually.

Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 13 December 2003 05:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Niagra Falls might be faker than fuck but at least it's honestly dishonest!

may pang (maypang), Saturday, 13 December 2003 05:43 (twenty-two years ago)

It basically comes down to me wanting all small town inhabitants to be the total hicks I expect them to be when I go visit. Tole painting? Fudge? Cast iron furniture? C'mon.. let's see some carrot farming, you lowbrow slackers.

may pang (maypang), Saturday, 13 December 2003 05:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Well the government probably banned tabacco farm tours.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Saturday, 13 December 2003 05:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha YES.

Niagra Falls has reached new levels though. It was always tacky, but now it's gone completely insane. To quite an awesome degree actually.

Kim (Kim), Saturday, 13 December 2003 05:49 (twenty-two years ago)

that was to may actually - you came outta nowhere there Zac. :)

I don't think I've seen tobacco farms anywhere in the province except the southwestern bit.

Kim (Kim), Saturday, 13 December 2003 05:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha, we're ALL misspelling NiagAra here.

Kim (Kim), Saturday, 13 December 2003 05:55 (twenty-two years ago)

My fault, as per usual. ;-)

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Saturday, 13 December 2003 05:57 (twenty-two years ago)

The culprit:

http://www.europharmacy.com/europe/viagra.jpg

may pang (maypang), Saturday, 13 December 2003 05:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Could be:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/webguide/images/politics/adbusters.jpg

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Saturday, 13 December 2003 06:04 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.windscreens.co.za/images/iagra.png

dyson (dyson), Saturday, 13 December 2003 09:27 (twenty-two years ago)

vs.

dyson (dyson), Saturday, 13 December 2003 09:28 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.burwelltriathlon.com/images/iagara.gif

dyson (dyson), Saturday, 13 December 2003 09:28 (twenty-two years ago)

but never, never on a sunday, its my day of rest

Mike Hanle y (mike), Monday, 15 December 2003 06:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Classic.

may pang (maypang), Monday, 15 December 2003 06:20 (twenty-two years ago)

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2001812573.jpg

When we went to an American hospital, it was like entering a five-star hotel.

A five-star hotel that gives spongebaths!

P.S. One difference between Canadians and Seattlelites is coffee. A Canadian would never
choose Starbucks over Tim Horton's. That's one of the few things the Canadian government
can't control.

Or can they? Starbucks has (over the last ten years) quite firmly established itself in Canada (esp. Vancouver where Crazy McLooney seems to be from, based on her strike references), so obviously this is the Cdn Gov't exerting their market-fixing powers to play king-maker by forcing Cdns to frequent one US-owned coffee whatsit over another (Tim Hortons was bought a few years ago by Wendys).

Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 15 December 2003 15:11 (twenty-two years ago)

clearly, huck, the repressive canadian regime has brain washed you.
free yo mind¡

dyson (dyson), Monday, 15 December 2003 16:02 (twenty-two years ago)

What do I care, I'm bilingual! Where's my goddamn million dollars?

Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 15 December 2003 16:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, apparently the market is in bilingual sports memorabilia stores in Canada. That's why she and her husband had to smuggle themselves disguised in blankets across the mean tracks of the 49th parallel to live the American dream in Seattle, despite Seattle being their nightmare of America's future. Come on, Horace, makes perfect sense to me!

donut bitch (donut), Monday, 15 December 2003 18:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Fifty percent of the Canadian paycheck goes to
taxes. And, in Ontario, for example, there's a 15-percent tax at the cash register. Think about
paying that every time you buy a car, a fridge or clothes. The Canadian middle class has
almost been taxed out of existence.

If you're getting taxed 50 per cent (Cdn sp) you're not middle class.

Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 15 December 2003 18:36 (twenty-two years ago)


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