Who Stepped on the Bitchy Button?

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Seriously - what's with all the sniping, backstabbing, fighting and general bitchiness? Is it because it's Christmas and we're all stressed FROM HAVING TO BE SO GODDAMNED HAPPY ALL THE TIME - or does ILx just have a double dose of collective PMS?

luna (luna.c), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 18:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, maybe some questions are better left unanswered.

luna (luna.c), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 18:42 (twenty-two years ago)

it was me luna. I was aiming for the "kitschy" button. My bad.

A Girl Named Sam (thatgirl), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 18:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Sam, I heart you.

luna (luna.c), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 18:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know what's up, but it's making me hungry, uh, I mean, annoyed (it's past my lunchtime).

I was a bitch yesterday to a troll, so now I'm taking a break from it, but meanwhile continuing to be sensitive which is no help at all.

FWIW, I'm full of love. Feel it, Sam & Luna. And by that I mean The Love.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 18:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I feel like being a bitch today! Which threads should I post to?

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 18:52 (twenty-two years ago)

the "your first kiss" one, just for variety.

El Santo Claus (Kingfish), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 18:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I blame Matos' latest period.

Dean Gulberry (deangulberry), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 18:53 (twenty-two years ago)

If you want blood, you got it!

Barima (Barima), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 18:55 (twenty-two years ago)

the "your first kiss" one, just for variety.


Okay!

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 18:55 (twenty-two years ago)

*erase erase erase*

luna (luna.c), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 18:58 (twenty-two years ago)

This thread should be locked by the dumbass who started it. Move along, nothing to see here. Really, get out. GO!

luna (luna.c), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 18:59 (twenty-two years ago)

aw, but i was just getting comfortable here, too... I already had plans for the back office and everything!

El Santo Claus (Kingfish), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 19:22 (twenty-two years ago)

GO.

luna (luna.c), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 19:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Now that the thread is locked, and it just us, let me dim the lights and put on a little make-out music.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 19:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Luna, don't move, etc.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 19:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I love how 'etc' totally passes for foreplay now.

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 19:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Seriously.

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 19:34 (twenty-two years ago)

hey guys¡ what 's goin' on¿

dyson (dyson), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 19:34 (twenty-two years ago)

My favorite sex is implied sex.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 19:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I think 'etc' is more foreplay than I've gotten in awhile.

luna (luna.c), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 19:39 (twenty-two years ago)

you would like me then.

Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 19:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Can I have more than one etc?

luna (luna.c), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 19:40 (twenty-two years ago)

what, multiple etcs at once?

El Santo Claus (Kingfish), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 19:41 (twenty-two years ago)

BEST THREAD EVER.
(xp, BTW)

Tenacious Dee (Dee the Lurker), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 19:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm up for an et alia with y'all.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 19:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Multiple etcs, yes, but not at once. One etc at a time.

luna (luna.c), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 19:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Chris, you're so fucking hot.

luna (luna.c), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 19:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought it was a bitch switch.

nate detritus (natedetritus), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 19:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Normally it's the testosterone/estrogen button, but I switched it up a little. Go me.

luna (luna.c), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 19:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Chris is a cutie patootie! Have at 'im, dear luna.

Nate, it was a switch before the major upgrade. Now it's a button. Progress!

Tenacious Dee (Dee the Lurker), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 19:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I wonder if Boss/Roland makes a Bitch Pedal that you can step on.

El Santo Claus (Kingfish), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 19:47 (twenty-two years ago)

He IS, Dee, and I might, but his boyfriend might object. Alas. Can't even score with gay men.

luna (luna.c), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 19:47 (twenty-two years ago)

That's OK, neither can I.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 19:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Nate, it was a switch before the major upgrade. Now it's a button. Progress!

Bitch NT

nate detritus (natedetritus), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 19:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm all about the etc.

Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 19:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Bring it.

luna (luna.c), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 19:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Luna is going to be so disappointed when she finds out that Huck isn't gay.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 19:54 (twenty-two years ago)

He IS, Dee, and I might, but his boyfriend might object. Alas. Can't even score with gay men.

:(

That's OK, neither can I.

:( :(

Bitch NT

:)

I'm all about the etc.

:) :)

Tenacious Dee (Dee the Lurker), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 19:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Bring it.

:) :) :)

Luna is going to be so disappointed when she finds out that Huck isn't gay.

:( :( :(

Tenacious Dee (Dee the Lurker), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 19:56 (twenty-two years ago)

;)

Tenacious Dee (Dee the Lurker), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 19:56 (twenty-two years ago)

OMG Dee, you need to do that to Hamlet, it would be awesome!

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 19:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Also I am proud that my posts got all the frowny faces.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 19:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually Chris, though I adore you right down to your little cotton sox, I actually prefer sex with hetero men.

luna (luna.c), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 19:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Luna, you sound more like a gay man all the time.

Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 19:59 (twenty-two years ago)

This thread has taken QUITE an entertaining evolution from the Bitchy Button.

El Santo Claus (Kingfish), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 19:59 (twenty-two years ago)

OMG Dee, you need to do that to Hamlet, it would be awesome!

:) :) :) :)

Also I am proud that my posts got all the frowny faces.

:( :( :( ;)

Tenacious Dee (Dee the Lurker), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 19:59 (twenty-two years ago)

It's true. I'm a gay man. With breasts. Etc.

luna (luna.c), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 20:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Now, if you'll excuse me, I think I have a bruised and battered dead horse I'd better attend to.

(xp, obv)

Tenacious Dee (Dee the Lurker), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 20:00 (twenty-two years ago)

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nate detritus (natedetritus), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 20:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I do think they are better rituals in the sense that they do not make an enemy of discussion or anything remotely edgy. Certainly you could argue the rituals elsewhere are not as bound by rules as this is the thread where I say, which to be honest is fairly strict.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 21:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Geir is the enemy of discussion.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 21:25 (twenty-two years ago)

All well and good, but can we get a "This is a thread..." number for this one and stick it in the title so I stop clicking on it?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 21:28 (twenty-two years ago)

See that's the thing - I didn't start that thread to ever have it turn into anything remotely like it has - there was just a lot of random crap floating around in my head at the time, and I needed to put it down somewhere. Had I had a blog at the time, I probably would have done it there and some of you would have been spared the banality, some would have missed the camaraderie. It was never my intention for it to be like morning coffee shop, it was my own random brain wanderings and I completely expected it to fall off the page, never to be seen or heard from again.

Having said that, I'm glad it didn't. I like being able to connect with people on that level, whether or not it makes anyone else shy away with revulsion.

I don't see it as an exclusive club where we go to escape the rest of the big, mean, wicked, nasty ILx - it's more of a hey, how's tricks, what's shakin', I thought this was funny/sad/whatever and I didn't know where else to put it and didn't want to start an entire thread, so here is what I think about it - anyone else?

I'm sorry if any of you find it twee or banal or appalling or just plain repugnant - I never meant that.

luna (luna.c), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 21:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I should have also added that it really makes me feel like shit that some of you can't take it for what it was meant to be (though again, I admit it grew to proportions I never imagined) and stop making me feel like an asshole because I happened to have a lot of brainfarts that particular day. I don't call you fucktards for the threads you start...

(So yeah ok, taking it a bit personally is probably my own problem, but goddamn, would it be at all possible to lay off a little?)

luna (luna.c), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 21:34 (twenty-two years ago)

the problem with making discussions "edgy" is that comments in plaintext are not attached to a tone of voice, and so things with an edge can be interpreted in the wrong way, and things can get way out of hand real quick. Personal attacks lie just beyond this.

xpost. i like threads like this. I like being able to play amongst some of the threads on this board.

El Santo Claus (Kingfish), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 21:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Certainly you could argue the rituals elsewhere are not as bound by rules as this is the thread where I say, which to be honest is fairly strict.

I can see why you would say this, completely - but it isn't supposed to be - not in my mind anyway. It's just supposed to be a dumping ground for the shit in our heads. I apologize heartily if I have offended anyone in doing that.

(This may, in fact, mean that I am completely away with the fairies and that this thread should be in Oz, filled with hearts and flowers, sunshine and pastel colors, balloons and lollipops.

But I don't fucking want that, either).

luna (luna.c), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 21:44 (twenty-two years ago)

not offended, really don't worry, as I say I never read it anymore, I just couldn't really let Chris's post slide. possibly should have.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 22:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I do think they are better rituals in the sense that they do not make an enemy of discussion or anything remotely edgy.

No, I don't think they do that though, it's just asking that there be nothing edgy on that thread. It's hardly saying that there shouldn't be any edginess anywhere in ILX. I don't think anyone in the "this is the thread" cult wants all of ILX to be like that.

Although similarly I would hope that you're not looking for ILX to be all-edgy all the time, I don't think the X in ILX stands for XTREEEM.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 22:50 (twenty-two years ago)

edgy's a horrible word!

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 22:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Powerrrr...EXTREME!

Barima (Barima), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 22:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Do you think the Edge's wife calls him 'edgy' for fun?

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 22:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Extreme

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 22:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Or, to put it another way, some of the other rituals also make an enemy out of pleasantries, which seems wrongheaded.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 22:55 (twenty-two years ago)

not sure about that

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 22:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, right. Obviously some people disagree. I dunno, maybe I'm being all morally relativistic or something: Avoiding pleasantries and avoiding edginess seem like variations on a theme, seem like basically the same thing, just with different results. So I'm not going to get too aggravated by people who are all-edgy, except inasmuch as I think they end up looking like idiots when they get all aggravated by people who are all-pleasant. Because it really strikes me as the same thing: A sort of defense mechanism against the cruelties of the world. And, you know, whatever works for you.

See also the misanthropy thread.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 23:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I like pleasantries, I find jokes and mocking pleasant on ILX often, when it's good anyway. That is pleasantry to me, telling funny anecdotes and having people make smart comments or take the piss.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 23:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, yes, but there is well-meaning mocking and taking the piss and there is cruel stuff, and it's also nice to sometimes shed those ticks and just, you know, talk about stuff without trying to be dazzling and clever.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 23:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Or, more specifically, I feel like I don't know you very well, Ronan -- I've been reading the boards for something like a year and a half, and we're both active posters, and this is the first time I remember having an exchange with you -- and yet I have this really one-dimensional sense of your personality, as being E'd out and listening to dance music and whatever else makes up the sort of stereotype of Ronan, you know -- and I like reading your posts, because that is completely alien to my world, but you talk about it with great enthusiasm and wit --

-- but then, like, I'd be even happier if sometimes you just talked about everyday crap. Well, you do sometimes, and maybe I'm missing a whole set of threads, but I really would like to know what else is going on in your life, in almost everyone on ILX's life, even if it isn't dazzling or clever. Because it's all a sort of gateway into how people live, and -- I don't know, it breaks down stereotypes, it makes people be more real.

Tom pointed out on another thread that he comes to ILX and it's like reading the newspaper or something; he really doesn't think of us as real people when he's posting here. I'm oversimplifying probably but you get my idea. And that's a terribly easy thing to do with these boards, to treat it like a videogame and get everyone all riled up or make everyone laugh -- and, you know, that's cool sometimes.

But in addition to that, one of the things I'm interested in is all the other banal things about people's lives -- not in a stalker sense or anything, but I'm interested in the banal things that make up the bulk of lives, especially the boring parts of people who can be really interesting or funny or killer at times.

So. I'm totally rambing here, but there really are a bunch of things I like about ILX (or, even, a bunch of things that I like about life, eh?) and obviously it's not going to be same things for everyone, but... I guess I feel like some people are squandering a great opportunity.

Although, yeah, I guess they're just not interested in that crap. So.

In summation: It's all good.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 23:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Beautifully put. Thanks Chris.

Matt (Matt), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 23:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Well put, but I have to say I'm not very interested in those things, by and large. I guess the 'This is where I say..' threads do a good job of covering them.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 23:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Chris Piuma, I kiss you.

oops (Oops), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 23:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I... I think Oops and I have come full circle now. ;-)

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 23:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I find the This is etc etc totally alien but I thought i) fuck it, none of my business; ii) it's really really American to me in a way I don't quite get. I mean the Brits on ILX - or a particular but quite large subset of them - are all just as pally but if a UK equivalent to that thread existed it would be absolutely FULL of piss-taking, whether this is a difference between the two groups of people or a cultural difference I don't know.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 23:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Mark C is a regular on those threads -- make of that fact what you will.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 17 December 2003 23:59 (twenty-two years ago)

There's also a very pally subset of American posters who all tease each other mercilessly.

I think we've come to the shocking conclusion that ILE has cliques.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 18 December 2003 00:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I know Mark C is a regular. He's the reverse Jess!

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 18 December 2003 00:03 (twenty-two years ago)

That's why he is Barry Lasagne.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Thursday, 18 December 2003 00:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, you lot he's all so touchy-feely with don't get to see the fearsome thumb warrior side of Baz that we do.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 18 December 2003 00:05 (twenty-two years ago)

And, I mean, certainly I tease Ned and a few others mercilessly -- it's not all black and white.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 18 December 2003 00:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Who can compete with that?

luna (luna.c), Thursday, 18 December 2003 00:24 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.tvdance.com/zoolander/5a.gifno onehttp://www.tvdance.com/zoolander/7a.gif

Dean Gulberry (deangulberry), Thursday, 18 December 2003 00:26 (twenty-two years ago)

This is, like, the fourth time Dean has posted something that isn't showing up in my browser. Grr.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 18 December 2003 00:28 (twenty-two years ago)

OK, I launched IE, it was worth it.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 18 December 2003 00:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Wasn't it though? Everything seems much nicer,now.

Matt (Matt), Thursday, 18 December 2003 00:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, I forgot my AIDS. For a second.

Dean Gulberry (deangulberry), Thursday, 18 December 2003 00:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Well done you.

Matt (Matt), Thursday, 18 December 2003 00:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't see them. :(

teeny (teeny), Thursday, 18 December 2003 00:40 (twenty-two years ago)

AIDS are small; you have to squint.

Dean Gulberry (deangulberry), Thursday, 18 December 2003 00:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I find it interesting that some people dont like the "this is where I say" threads and that is always brought up as an example of "well I dont want to use the board in this way so I ignore it".

I could say the same of pretty much all of ILM! Which is funny really cos its what drew me here - ILM not ILE. Y'all on ILM have just as much cliquey, ritualistic discussions in their own way as anyone else does.

And how many people other than me, Jim, gaz, Colin and maybe Ned read the really Aussie in-joke threads like the Pseudo Echo thread and other ones Colin often kicks into gear? I assume no one does, because they wouldnt get it. So is that a bad thing?

Isnt the idea there is SOMETHING FOR EVERYONE here?

:D :D :D :D :D \o\ |o| /o/ hands in the air, y0!

Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 18 December 2003 00:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Trayce, I kiss you.

luna (luna.c), Thursday, 18 December 2003 00:52 (twenty-two years ago)

/ hurray!

Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 18 December 2003 00:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Farq, that one didnt work :(

Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 18 December 2003 00:54 (twenty-two years ago)

OK, \o\ |o| /o/ has completely made my day, how have I lived without seeing that before?!

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 18 December 2003 00:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Everybody DJ!


\O-O/

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 18 December 2003 01:06 (twenty-two years ago)

shit. HTML killed my post.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 18 December 2003 01:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh I just read this now. Yeah I kind of wish I said nothing now. My response was more a throwback to past squabbles. I guess though back then things were more heated and perhaps I didn't really make a fair effort at saying why I didn't like the thread.

I always presumed I was everyday/banal, I just tend to exaggerate banal things maybe, I don't know.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 18 December 2003 20:19 (twenty-two years ago)

three years pass...

It's true. I'm a gay man. With breasts. Etc.

-- luna (luna.c), Wednesday, December 17, 2003 3:00 PM (3 years ago)

It's true. I'm a gay man. With breasts. Etc.

-- luna (luna.c), Wednesday, December 17, 2003 3:00 PM (3 years ago)

It's true. I'm a gay man. With breasts. Etc.

-- luna (luna.c), Wednesday, December 17, 2003 3:00 PM (3 years ago)

It's true. I'm a gay man. With breasts. Etc.

-- luna (luna.c), Wednesday, December 17, 2003 3:00 PM (3 years ago)

It's true. I'm a gay man. With breasts. Etc.

-- luna (luna.c), Wednesday, December 17, 2003 3:00 PM (3 years ago)

It's true. I'm a gay man. With breasts. Etc.

-- luna (luna.c), Wednesday, December 17, 2003 3:00 PM (3 years ago)

It's true. I'm a gay man. With breasts. Etc.

-- luna (luna.c), Wednesday, December 17, 2003 3:00 PM (3 years ago)

am0n, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 14:27 (eighteen years ago)

So there's this set of people who get really frustrated by the sort of ritualistic behavior on ILX, the people who get frustrated because the schtick isn't clever enough or it's all too familiar or whatnot -- the sort of people who get really upset about the Thread Where I Say threads.

And, you know, let's face it, we've all more or less had this conversation and told these jokes before. And some people would probably look at this and think "what a bunch of idiots, telling the same jokes again and again, argh".

But of course, what we're by and large doing is setting up some traditions, some rituals. And these rituals, I think, are comforting -- we belong, we reinforce our relationships to one another. Luna will make some comment, and I'll start my "Don't move" schtick, and Dee will have a friendly "you go, girl!", and all these roles reinforce a sense of -- I don't really want to say community, but it's something dependable.

And dependable things can be really nice.

Especially when the rest of ILX is trying desparately to immolate itself, it's interesting how some of the threads keep chugging along. And I'm especially happy that this thread, which started out as part of that implosion, turned into a silly and pleasant and friendly thing (which I am possibly ruining with this post) (or perhaps has been ruined while I wrote this out).

What was my point again.

Oh yeah. So we have the rituals, but every time the ritual is performed, slight details are changed, and because it's a ritual, those breaks in the pattern become really big deals (even though to someone who's not used to the pattern, they're probably nothing special). And that's where the interest and humor comes from -- there's both the comfort and then the slight jolts which, to the initiated, come off as major events.

It's the same kind of enjoyment that you can get from, say, Krazy Kat (where the same basic cartoon was drawn with slight variations for decades to brilliant effect), or (I assume, since I don't actually do this) by collecting tremendous numbers of live shows from, say, the Grateful Dead, where they play the songs slightly differently each time and the small nuances become huge.

That small detail becoming huge, that's what I live for. (No silly erection jokes, please! ;-) I mean, it's great to be clever and LOL and all, but what's happening here is far more interesting, perhaps specifically because it's so much harder to point to it.

(Not that there hasn't been cleverness here -- I love Dee's smileyface reinterpretation thing, and I'm perhaps unduly proud of my "et alia" joke, but for the most part, yeah, this hasn't been a terribly clever thread -- and that's great!)

There was something else I was going to add but I've forgotten it. Oh well. Let's see if this thread has imploded while I typed this...

-- Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, December 17, 2003 3:44 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Link

100 lbs of bullshit just to say 'im lonely & defensive about it'

and what, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 14:33 (eighteen years ago)


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