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Does anyone know how to effectively remove security tags from clothing? Must I resort to using a saw? Surely there are some sabotage-minded freedom-seekers, well versed on the book Evasion, etc, who can help a brother out?

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 21 December 2003 19:55 (twenty-two years ago)

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― Aja (aja), Sunday, 21 December 2003 20:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Why don't you just make your own clothes out of things you find on the street? I don't think Old Navy is really going to crash and burn because you stole a few pairs of dungarees.

― kirsten (kirsten), Sunday, 21 December 2003 20:23 (twenty-two years ago)

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― Aja (aja), Sunday, 21 December 2003 20:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't waste your time on that. You will get caught fiddling around. Grab and dash is the best way to steal. Don't worry about alarms because you will be out the door and in your getaway car before anything happens. If you do it more than once, make sure they don't see your license plate. Before you do it, make sure your exit's clear and don't attract attention by doing stuff like parking wierd or going in through back doors, because they might be expecting you to dash. Bikes are better than getaway cars. Even better, bike to your out-of-sight car. Afterwards, rip off the tags at your leisure with a saw, clippers or whatever works.

― sucka (sucka), Sunday, 21 December 2003 21:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Pliers.

― Aja (aja), Sunday, 21 December 2003 21:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, I already have the thing. It's upstairs. I stole it last week. I just gotta get the tag off before I wrap it for xmas. No way I'd ever fiddle with one of them big plastic tags while actually in the store - who am I, Winona?

so...pliers? saw? which is it?

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Monday, 22 December 2003 01:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Try both.

― Aja (aja), Monday, 22 December 2003 01:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I think some of them have dye inside them ready to explode on you, be careful! Can you google the model number or anything like that?

― teeny (teeny), Monday, 22 December 2003 01:09 (twenty-two years ago)

also stealing is wrong.

― teeny (teeny), Monday, 22 December 2003 01:09 (twenty-two years ago)

haha dammit teeny you just ruined my fun

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 22 December 2003 01:12 (twenty-two years ago)

i.e. the post where roger comes back in a few hours to tell us he is now covered in ink

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 22 December 2003 01:14 (twenty-two years ago)

They aren't exploding ink canisters, most just stain the clothing.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 22 December 2003 01:19 (twenty-two years ago)

rats.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 22 December 2003 01:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Last time I did one, I used pliers to pry off the cover of the cap over the pin holding both sides of the tag together. Then I could cut through the plastic with a razor, from inside, and remove the pin. This tag had the inky capsules inside. They don't explode, they just break. That's a myth to scare you. If you do it this way, they won't break. But if they do, they just leak a few drops and stain the clothes a tiny bit. You can protect them with a little plastic around the tag while you're monkeying with it.

Hi-fives for giving out stolen goods for xmas! :) This year, I'm giving out all kinds of books and merch I dumpster dived.

― sucka (sucka), Monday, 22 December 2003 01:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh yeah but that way took me like 1/2 hour to do. If you want it done fast, maybe try to find some clippers to cut the pin inside, if the gap isn't too narrow.

― sucka (sucka), Monday, 22 December 2003 01:27 (twenty-two years ago)

PS. My black, stolen sisters of mercy shirt didn't show ink stains anyway :)

― sucka (sucka), Monday, 22 December 2003 01:28 (twenty-two years ago)

There was a seecrurity tag on that?

― Aja (aja), Monday, 22 December 2003 01:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Hot Topic

― sucka (sucka), Monday, 22 December 2003 01:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Next time you steal something, steal the tag-removing device.

― Ian Johnson (orion), Monday, 22 December 2003 02:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Ian Johnson OTM. Steal the cash register while you're at it.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 22 December 2003 02:54 (twenty-two years ago)

and some dignity.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 22 December 2003 02:59 (twenty-two years ago)

And some cake.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 22 December 2003 03:02 (twenty-two years ago)

and a blackstreet cd.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 22 December 2003 03:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Ooh yeah, get the second one; it's DOOOOOOPE.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 22 December 2003 03:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Steal the whole store and leave a poop on the counter before you go.

― sucka (sucka), Monday, 22 December 2003 04:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Let's do some quick thinking:

Steal a gun.
Steal a cash register.
Steal a car.
Steal some gas.

Get the fuck out of Dodge.

― Ian Johnson (orion), Monday, 22 December 2003 05:13 (twenty-two years ago)

get a holiday retail job someplace with a tag remover, and use it in a quiet moment.

― petra jane (petra jane), Monday, 22 December 2003 08:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Since when did Anarchist = thief

― Ed (dali), Monday, 22 December 2003 08:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought it was casual right wing condescension.

― Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Monday, 22 December 2003 08:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Of course even self proclaimed anarchists make the mistake of assuming that anarchist = violent

― Ed (dali), Monday, 22 December 2003 08:58 (twenty-two years ago)

anarchist != violent but there is a conception of anarchism that claims this kind of resistance is the way to go. Fortunately there are more popular and interesting alternative theories to that dead end.

― Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Monday, 22 December 2003 09:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Albert replies to query about nonviolence and social change

(...)

Is there really a
peaceful way to attain our ends, and how do you feel At This Moment
about our progress, or lack of it?

I think of it this way, to use a catch phrase: consciousness raising,
consolidation, contestation, construction.

(1) We have to raise consciousness of an alternative and of means for
fighting to win it.

(2) We have to consolidate our own organizations, movements, means of
program development and outreach, etc.

(3) We have to contest the powers that seek to maintain the status
quo, both institutional and regrettably, personal, for a series of
changes, each making the world a somewhat more livable place, and each
creating a new stage a little more in our favor for new struggles,
until we begin to challenge basic institutions and power structures.

(4) We have to construct the alternative institutions and mindsets and
behavior patterns of a new society.

Each phase of our effort persists during the whole revolutionary
process, and each phase both promotes and is in some sense a
prerequisite for the others, but the emphasis shifts as time proceeds,
from consciousness raising, to consolidation, to contestation, to
construction.

We are back at (1) as the point of emphasis...though a significant
amount of attention to 2, 3, and 4 is essential not only so the
process will proceed, rather than bog down and reverse, but so that we
will do our consciousness raising well.

The questions for strategy seem to me to be, therefore, how do we
raise consciousness in a broad sweep of the population, how do we
begin to consolidate the existence of opposition consciousness in
movements and organizations, how do we effectively fight for
nonreformist reforms, how do we begin to prefigure the future we seek
and inform all our actions with awareness of our goals."

― Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Monday, 22 December 2003 10:12 (twenty-two years ago)

"attention aspiring anarchists, I need help too!"

― Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Monday, 22 December 2003 10:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Here's one practical shoplifting trick; you need a friend to execute this, but it is (or at least used to be) a good way of stealing stuff with security tags. Two people enter a shop, preferably at different times. The other one fills his bag with whatever he wants to steal. The other one won't steal anything, he just walks around in the shop. Then both of them go through the detectors at the same time. Once (if) the alarm starts ringing, the one who hasn't stolen anything runs away, while the actual thief walks away calmly as if he has nothing do with this incident. The security men will obviously chase the running guy, but even if they happen to catch him, he hasn't got any stolen goods on him, and he can just say he was running for the bus or something. Of course they can claim he's hidden his loot somewhere, but I bet most shops won't bother to go through the legal process of trying to prove this.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 22 December 2003 12:30 (twenty-two years ago)

It sounds like it would be easier to just pay for the shit.

Since when did Anarchist = thief

ed = otm

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 22 December 2003 12:39 (twenty-two years ago)

The whole point of stealing is doing it only if you can't afford to buy stuff. That's what makes it anarchist. So it really wouldn't be "easier to just pay for the shit." Also, stealing stuff you have no need of is stupid. And you should preferably steal from big supermarkets, not from small, privately-owned shops.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 22 December 2003 12:45 (twenty-two years ago)

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