no because the word disingenuous doesn't annoy the shit out of me
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 16:44 (six years ago) link
As used on CNN 24 hours a day now, "breaking news."
― clemenza, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 16:45 (six years ago) link
Disingenuous doesn't mean the same as "in bad faith" and certainly not in the example I gave
― as the crows around me grows (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 17:04 (six years ago) link
what's the word on bad medicine
― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 17:06 (six years ago) link
I heard your love was like it
― as the crows around me grows (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 17:10 (six years ago) link
“Creatives” is the tech synonym for “artists” that no one asked for
― flappy bird, Saturday, March 10, 2018 6:09 PM (three days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I always thought this was more of a way to make non-artist media professionals feel like artists by lumping them in with artists.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 17:19 (six years ago) link
If you’re hearing “bad faith” a lot you might reflect on why.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 17:23 (six years ago) link
lol
― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 17:23 (six years ago) link
can't find the excelsior thread
― F# A# (∞), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 17:24 (six years ago) link
“Creatives” is the tech synonym for “artists” that no one asked for― flappy bird, Saturday, March 10, 2018 6:09 PM (three days ago) Bookmark Flag Post PermalinkI always thought this was more of a way to make non-artist media professionals feel like artists by lumping them in with artists.― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, March 13, 2018 1:19 PM (sixteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, March 13, 2018 1:19 PM (sixteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yes this too
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 17:37 (six years ago) link
Disingenuous doesn't mean the same as "in bad faith" and certainly not in the example I gave― as the crows around me grows (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, March 13, 2018 1:04 PM (thirty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― as the crows around me grows (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, March 13, 2018 1:04 PM (thirty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
sure it does, "provoking a reaction for the fun of it" is being disingenuous, or insincere.
If you’re hearing “bad faith” a lot you might reflect on why.― Mordy, Tuesday, March 13, 2018 1:23 PM (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Mordy, Tuesday, March 13, 2018 1:23 PM (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
well, I do read ILX a lot
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 17:40 (six years ago) link
"How do you feel about that?"
Feelings got us into this mess
― kolakube (Ross), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 17:50 (six years ago) link
i dont think you actually believe that tbh
― the clodding of the american mind (darraghmac), Tuesday, March 13, 2018 11:36 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
it's half the problem, but it's also half the solution
― mh, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 18:45 (six years ago) link
https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/435111/how-do-you-say-come-on-man-to-a-woman
I've heard people saying phrases like down below."That's not cool, man""Dude, look at this""Hey, calm down, bro"But these words are supposed to be said to a male person. (I could be wrong since I'm not an native English speaker) So what word do you use instead to say those phrases to a female person?
"That's not cool, man""Dude, look at this""Hey, calm down, bro"
But these words are supposed to be said to a male person. (I could be wrong since I'm not an native English speaker) So what word do you use instead to say those phrases to a female person?
some sad and lol answers to this. "We expect and prefer to be treated like ladies. "Dude, guy, man, bro" -- when spoken to a lady, are considered low-class here." or the person who offers this translation guide:
“That’s not cool, man” → “That’s not cool sis.”“Dude, look at this!” → “Girl, look at this!”“Hey, calm down, bro” → “Sister. Calm down.”
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:59 (six years ago) link
dude is very close to becoming unisex ime. man was originally general neutral too!
Before “man” meant a male, the word “wer” or “wǣpmann” was commonly used to refer to “male human”. This word almost completely died out around the 1300s, but survives somewhat in words like “werewolf”, which literally means “man wolf”.Women at the time were referred to as “wif” or “wīfmann“, meaning “female human”. The latter “wifmann”, eventually evolved into the word “woman”, but retained its original meaning. The word “wif” itself eventually evolved into “wife”, with its meaning obviously being changed slightly.
Women at the time were referred to as “wif” or “wīfmann“, meaning “female human”. The latter “wifmann”, eventually evolved into the word “woman”, but retained its original meaning. The word “wif” itself eventually evolved into “wife”, with its meaning obviously being changed slightly.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 22:09 (six years ago) link
it's because if you are designing logos for a company you are doing something different than when you go home and paint or play with samplers or whatever on your own free time.
also it makes sense to say "We have a creative department". it sounds like they are making various things for various purposes. it also sounds productive. "art" conjures up the singular idea "work of art", which is a self-fulfilling object. "We have an art department" sounds like you have people that make individual works of art.
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 22:09 (six years ago) link
xpost Woah! That's wild, can't believe I never ran into that before.
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 22:10 (six years ago) link
that is a graphic designer. i understand the intent of the phrase, it still makes my skin crawl because it is unnecessary, and even worse when it's used to refer to actual artists.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 22:14 (six years ago) link
Personally I don't mind if writers, copyeditors, graphic designers, and web designers get called "creatives" or "creative professionals." It's a useful distinction from the "business side" like ad salespeople or whatever. Calling them "artists" is usually overkill.
In my youth I was a "production artist" - basically newspaper / newsletter / magazine layout - for something like $8 an hour. While there was certainly creative work involved, calling it art would have been rather grand.
If what you object to is the nouning of an adjective, you can use "creative professionals," but I think that won't stay wieldy for long.
Verbing and nouning and such is a venerable tradition in English, as even a cursory glance at a dictionary will tell you.
― I leprecan't even. (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 22:22 (six years ago) link
https://thelawdictionary.org/good-faith/https://thelawdictionary.org/bad-faith/
― Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 22:25 (six years ago) link
you know ive had my share
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 22:58 (six years ago) link
I know what it means to be a loan...
― Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 23:08 (six years ago) link
xpost yeah lol i dislike the words "artist" and find it bougie and self important. art isnt something common people should be alienated from, which tends to be the case.
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 12:33 (six years ago) link
Yes, let's use 'creatives' instead.
― Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 12:38 (six years ago) link
yeah, and maths and science and sports and woodwork
― as the crows around me grows (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 12:38 (six years ago) link
xp
― as the crows around me grows (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 12:39 (six years ago) link
it's important not to alienate people from things that are good for them, i think we should call doctors "ouch mechanics"
― as the crows around me grows (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 12:40 (six years ago) link
teachers could be "school cops"
― as the crows around me grows (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 12:42 (six years ago) link
well, that'd make it easier to justify arming them for sure
― in conclusion, it is good to peel the sheeps (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 12:52 (six years ago) link
that's what i was thinking
― as the crows around me grows (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 12:57 (six years ago) link
I am never saying 'fake news' ever again, even in jest.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 14 March 2018 13:21 (six years ago) link
tbh i don't mind being called an artist for rewriting your fuck-awful prose, in fact i demand it
― mark s, Wednesday, 14 March 2018 13:39 (six years ago) link
the notion of common, normal or regular people is not to be accepted
― ogmor, Wednesday, 14 March 2018 14:12 (six years ago) link
7 billion legernds
― the clodding of the american mind (darraghmac), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 14:32 (six years ago) link
mrs yanis varoufakis, ogmor is calling u out itt
― in conclusion, it is good to peel the sheeps (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 14:35 (six years ago) link
any reference to or spin on 'taking my talents to miami'
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 14 March 2018 14:38 (six years ago) link
it's important not to alienate people from things that are good for them
your zings missed my point. it's not about alienating people from consuming art but creating it. similar to the alienation of workers from the fruits of their labor. "you can't make art you are a construction worker, leave it to the gifted artists". art for all. im a big fan of Breton.
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 14:49 (six years ago) link
"fake news" is still useful for trolling trolls when you get roped into a dumb argument on someone's facebook wall
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 14:51 (six years ago) link
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, March 14, 2018 10:51 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/1*8xC2X0pD7tCmT9DY6XN-jw.jpeg
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 14 March 2018 16:28 (six years ago) link
"Hack" for stuff that is not tech-related. Russia "hacked" the election, used by dumb boomers who don't know the difference between literally altering votes and posting some targeted ads on facebook.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 22 March 2018 03:06 (six years ago) link
definitely. "life hack" is a bad one
― flappy bird, Thursday, 22 March 2018 03:12 (six years ago) link
life hack is bad, intentionally posting in a way that subverts algorithmic boosting of popular content is a sort of hack
― mh, Thursday, 22 March 2018 03:21 (six years ago) link
that's not what they did either
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 22 March 2018 03:21 (six years ago) link
but in any case, that's at most hacking a social media algorithm, it's not hacking an election
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 22 March 2018 03:22 (six years ago) link
if someone makes a viral quiz that is not in fact a quiz in substance, and you get tons of people quote-unquote figuring out their personality type when you are actually just grabbing a list of friends, that is a hack. not a technically proficient hack, but social engineering is hacking by any grey hat definition and that is social engineering
― mh, Thursday, 22 March 2018 03:25 (six years ago) link
true, that has nothing directly related to election hacking
that involves irony poisoning
we used to live in a golden age when "hacking" meant driving a taxi on nights and weekends to make a bit of extra cash so you could afford a few niceties like an electric shoeshine machine or a tin of the top-shelf brilliantine
― erry red flag (f. hazel), Thursday, 22 March 2018 03:29 (six years ago) link
that's also not an accurate description of what cambridge analytica did fwiw, although I'm being a little pedantic. All third party apps at the time grabbed your friends' info, it was part of facebook's stated policy that they could do so. What cambridge did was just pretend to be research for academic purposes when it was actually for its own political-related purposes. But also, cambridge =/= russia.
irony poisoning is also a dumb phrase
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 22 March 2018 03:29 (six years ago) link
Hey, let's be sure that we're really precise in our language in opposing a bunch of inveterate pathological liars
― Moo Vaughn, Thursday, 22 March 2018 04:15 (six years ago) link
I wasn’t a huge fan of “irony poisoning” myself but people who are familiar with online trolls tend to catch on to it more quickly on discussion than just saying “well, your young friend voted for Trump due to deep cynicism”
― mh, Thursday, 22 March 2018 13:22 (six years ago) link