Defend the really indefensible: the Nazis

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I dare you.

Jethro Dull, Monday, 12 January 2004 17:38 (twenty years ago) link

They were very skillful at co-opting ancient symbols. Kinda like Christianity.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 12 January 2004 17:41 (twenty years ago) link

Hmmm... I kind of like all the Teutonic-pagan folklore references. They occasionally displayed a compelling aesthetic sense.

I like Hogan's Heroes. That's probably about it.

andy, Monday, 12 January 2004 17:42 (twenty years ago) link

Well, this is from an impeccably left-wing source, Alex Cockburn:

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn01102004.html

Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 12 January 2004 17:42 (twenty years ago) link

Great Indiana Jones villians, obv.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 12 January 2004 17:42 (twenty years ago) link

the Schutzstaffen looked fucking spiffy in their dress uniforms. Also thanks to them we made massive advances in aeronautical technology resulting in supersonic flight and our setting foot on the moon.

They also taught us all a lesson which we will not soon forget, I hope.

TOMBOT, Monday, 12 January 2004 17:43 (twenty years ago) link

Tom beat me to the "sharp dressers" comment, alas.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 12 January 2004 17:44 (twenty years ago) link

They make good villians in films = no-body has any sympathy for them.

Nazi regalia = useful props for bdsm scenarios perhaps?

"The Producers" is very funny in places.

Angharienne Bradshaw (Angharienne Bradshaw), Monday, 12 January 2004 17:45 (twenty years ago) link

They weren't really sharp dressers, it was all too camp.

Didn't they do a few socialist-type things, like building holiday housing for the working classes on the North Sea

Jonathan Z., Monday, 12 January 2004 17:46 (twenty years ago) link

Actually, when I was watching Indiana Jones & The Last Crusade for the umpteenth time last weekend, I found myself wondering how it went over in Germany.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 12 January 2004 17:47 (twenty years ago) link

Their military hardware was the best (me-262, tiger 2 tank etc etc etc)

Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 12 January 2004 17:48 (twenty years ago) link

Actually, when I was watching Indiana Jones & The Last Crusade for the umpteenth time last weekend, I found myself wondering how it went over in
Germany.

I don't know about that, but I do know that the sublime Wanda Jackson song "Fujiyama Mama" went over huge in Japan in the 50s and it the immortal lyrics:

I've been to Nagasaki, Hiroshima too!
The things I did to them baby, I can do to you!

'Cause I'm a Fujiyama Mama and I'm just about to blow my top!
Fujiyama-yama, Fujiyama!
And when I start you up, there aint nobody gonna make me stop!

I drank a quart of sake, smoked on a pipe!
I chased it with tobbacy and then shoot out the lights!

'Cause I'm a Fujiyama Mama and I'm just about to blow my top!
Fujiyama-yama, Fujiyama!
And when I start you up, there aint nobody gonna make me stop!

Well you can talk about me, say that I'm mean!
I'll blow your head off baby with nitroglycerine!

'Cause I'm a Fujiyama Mama and I'm just about to blow my top!
Fujiyama-yama, Fujiyama!
And when I start you up, there aint nobody gonna make me stop!

Well you can say I'm crazy, so deaf and dumb!
But I can cause destruction just like the atom bomb!

'Cause I'm a Fujiyama Mama and I'm just about to blow my top!
Fujiyama-yama, Fujiyama!
And when I start you up, there aint nobody gonna make me stop!

I drank a quart of sake, smoked on a pipe!
I chased it with tobbacy and then shoot out the lights!

'Cause I'm a Fujiyama Mama and I'm just about to blow my top!
Fujiyama-yama, Fujiyama!
And when I start you up, there aint nobody gonna make me stop!

Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 12 January 2004 17:53 (twenty years ago) link

They've managed to prop up the film industry since 1940.

One could suggest they helped to hasten the end of colonial empire.

pete s, Monday, 12 January 2004 17:54 (twenty years ago) link

except the person at lyricsbox.com thinks it's "when I start you up" instead of "when I start eruptin'" which makes a million times more sense if you know that Fujiyama is a volcano.

Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 12 January 2004 17:55 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.quicklink.ms/Vw%20beetle%20ad%201956.jpg

stevem (blueski), Monday, 12 January 2004 17:56 (twenty years ago) link

Oh yeah, that guy who designed the V2 rockets who then immigrated to the US and was instrumental in designing the shuttle for NASA.

pete s, Monday, 12 January 2004 18:00 (twenty years ago) link

Who, Werner Von Braun? I think he helped on the Apollo program, but the shuttle?

andy, Monday, 12 January 2004 18:03 (twenty years ago) link

the volkswagen beetle design was pinched from tatra of czecho-slovakia. The nazis prevented tatra's equivalent car, the t-97 from being produced during the war years, after the war vw had to pay compensation to tatra. If you google stuff about this, it's quite an interesting story.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 12 January 2004 18:04 (twenty years ago) link

Yes him. From what i heard his help was invaluable.

x-post

pete s, Monday, 12 January 2004 18:06 (twenty years ago) link

They knew how to hold an orgy.

R the V (Jake Proudlock), Monday, 12 January 2004 18:09 (twenty years ago) link

nice one pash, i knew the Beetle wasn't strictly a Nazi invention but their realisation. so you have little Adolf to thank for Herbie Goes Bananas and not just that other Nazi (ho ho).

stevem (blueski), Monday, 12 January 2004 18:10 (twenty years ago) link

volkswagen, tatra and hitler

Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 12 January 2004 18:11 (twenty years ago) link

Pashmina: great link; thanks for the history lesson today!

PsychoKitty, Monday, 12 January 2004 18:50 (twenty years ago) link

umm, it became MUCH harder to intellectually defend dodgy, crackpot racialist notions after they did their thing.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 12 January 2004 18:54 (twenty years ago) link

maybe we should go do an exchange with some Nazi discussion forum like Stormfr0nt, so they can come over here and give us the real reasons why the Ratzis rock.

DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 12 January 2004 19:44 (twenty years ago) link

Um, how about we don't do that.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 12 January 2004 19:59 (twenty years ago) link

Ditto. Skinheads are never welcome dinner guests

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Monday, 12 January 2004 20:02 (twenty years ago) link

If the nazis had never existed I woudln't have got to play one ina short film last summer and the director woudln';t have won an award for it being the best short film made by a Devon director last year.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 12 January 2004 20:10 (twenty years ago) link

Russell Crowe and Ed Norton both looked really hot as neo-Nazis.

Allyzay, Monday, 12 January 2004 20:17 (twenty years ago) link

I did not look hot as a nazi.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 12 January 2004 20:19 (twenty years ago) link

Where hot = sexy rather than 'at too high a temperature'.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 12 January 2004 20:19 (twenty years ago) link

We shot on the hottest weekend of July. It was evil in that woolen uniform.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 12 January 2004 20:20 (twenty years ago) link

Without Nazis, "The Sound Of Music" would never have been written.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 12 January 2004 20:20 (twenty years ago) link

What?

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 12 January 2004 20:21 (twenty years ago) link

Without Nazis, "The Sound Of Music" would never have been written.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 12 January 2004 20:21 (twenty years ago) link

If the nazis had never existed I woudln't have got to play one ina short film last summer and the director woudln';t have won an award for it being the best short film made by a Devon director last year.

Can't see the director saying, "Thank the Nazi regime for my this award", if he/she ever plans to make another.

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Monday, 12 January 2004 20:22 (twenty years ago) link

Neither can I, actually.

I still have no idea what Dan Perry means.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 12 January 2004 20:23 (twenty years ago) link

Without Nazis, "The Sound Of Music" would never have been written.

Goebbels tiptoeing through the daisies with the Sisters? There's a blockbuster screaming to be made.

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Monday, 12 January 2004 20:25 (twenty years ago) link

The Sound of Music is about Nazis, at least tangentially. Haven't you ever seen the Sound of Music, Nick?

Allyzay, Monday, 12 January 2004 20:26 (twenty years ago) link

Nope.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 12 January 2004 20:27 (twenty years ago) link

I had to sing one of the songs at school when I was about 10, and I swore to myself it would never make me suffer again.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 12 January 2004 20:28 (twenty years ago) link

Well, ok, basically the entire end of the movie is about them trying to escape from the Nazis who are trying to strong arm the singing father dude into working for them since he's some kind of really supa gay decorated military guy. It's a stupid movie and quite frankly I never thought of it the way Dan put it forth; the Nazis really truly were sick and evil if they are responsible for this. Seriously though, the last hour of that movie is Nazis and nunneries and singing.

BTW Nichole was that joke meant to be funny?

Allyzay, Monday, 12 January 2004 20:31 (twenty years ago) link

Also, I got to portray a guy who disapproved of the Nazis but was willing to live in a country controlled by them in high school. I was told by many (kind and sheltered) parents that they didn't buy casting a black person in that role at first, but my portrayal made them buy into the idea that a black man could have survived in Nazi Austria.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 12 January 2004 20:34 (twenty years ago) link

Nazis in uniting Nick and Dan in dramatic excellence shock?

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 12 January 2004 20:35 (twenty years ago) link

Not that I was excellent.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 12 January 2004 20:35 (twenty years ago) link

i'm a nazi schatze, feed me kosher salami

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 12 January 2004 20:36 (twenty years ago) link

Dude, I sang and danced and everything! Nazis made my theatre career.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 12 January 2004 20:36 (twenty years ago) link

tanzen! singen! und alles Spass!!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 12 January 2004 20:37 (twenty years ago) link

if there were no nazis, there would have never been kraftwerk

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 12 January 2004 20:38 (twenty years ago) link

und strudl

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 12 January 2004 20:38 (twenty years ago) link

The Producers.

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 14 January 2004 00:05 (twenty years ago) link

Man, if you're beatin' your meat to Dyanne Thorne then I'm worried...

C-Man (C-Man), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 00:24 (twenty years ago) link

four years pass...

Honszlynn?

Ned Raggett, Monday, 15 December 2008 19:09 (fifteen years ago) link

Hinler FTW

StanM, Monday, 15 December 2008 19:09 (fifteen years ago) link

Young Adolf Hitler Campbell will be getting a cake from Wal-Mart this year.

beyonc'e (max), Monday, 15 December 2008 19:13 (fifteen years ago) link

comments are disappointingly sane

kuntrie/hardrock-tributes (goole), Monday, 15 December 2008 19:19 (fifteen years ago) link

spoke too soon:

Posted by Krackerman on 12/14/08 at 8:15AM
why is the kid named after him to begin with are they racist biggots or is there some family heritage. I tend to believe they are white supremacists so Shop Rite made the right choice. Matbe The Express could find out more info this article is stupid without info I could do a better job reporting.

kuntrie/hardrock-tributes (goole), Monday, 15 December 2008 19:20 (fifteen years ago) link

That is a pretty clever way to ensure your children grow up to be white supremacists just like you were, considering they will be lonely and ostracized and probably not begin many friendly unproblematic relationships with non-Christian and non-white people.

nabisco, Monday, 15 December 2008 19:26 (fifteen years ago) link

they were allowed to call their kid Adolf Hitler in the first place!? Wouldn't have happened here. heck you can't even use a "sur name" as a "2nd name" if i am making sense :)

Ludo, Monday, 15 December 2008 20:46 (fifteen years ago) link

would these names count as child abuse? serious question

soup kitchen electro (omar little), Monday, 15 December 2008 20:47 (fifteen years ago) link

this is america, you can have any retarded name your parents desire

congratulations (n/a), Monday, 15 December 2008 20:48 (fifteen years ago) link

what is my attitude (gbx), Monday, 15 December 2008 20:48 (fifteen years ago) link

^^^^^^ this works on a lot of levels, btw

what is my attitude (gbx), Monday, 15 December 2008 20:49 (fifteen years ago) link

"No, you don't understand - 'Adolph Hitler Campbell' is the name of my kid!"

Emergency Rainbow (Pancakes Hackman), Monday, 15 December 2008 20:49 (fifteen years ago) link

i mean ensuring that your kids grow up to be marginalized and fucked up, barring any sort of incredible strength and smarts they might intrinsically have that would allow them to break free of their parents and history and likely miserable childhood...that would seem like abuse. but i guess n/a is right.

soup kitchen electro (omar little), Monday, 15 December 2008 20:49 (fifteen years ago) link

oh i was just responding to Ludo, who i assume is some kind of godless socialist

congratulations (n/a), Monday, 15 December 2008 20:50 (fifteen years ago) link

regarding orginal topic: IF the nazi's wouldn't have killed all the jews/gypsies/gays etc. Then their war skills would've been pretty impressive i guess. + Hitler's nation building getting from the gutter to a super power in only 10 (?) years, that's not an easy task either.

oh i was just responding to Ludo, who i assume is some kind of godless socialist
indeed..

Ludo, Monday, 15 December 2008 20:51 (fifteen years ago) link

We tend to take a pretty severe slippery-slope approach when it comes to personal child-rearing freedoms, but on the off chance that those children aren't home-schooled, I get the feeling their middle names will be suppressed like hell in a feckless bid to preserve mental health they don't have much of a shot at either way (and one of them will still be named Honszlynn). The problem is that while they're young and raised by parents like that, their names are going to be the least of their problems: they could be named Sue and Jane and Karl, they're still going to have some jacked-up ideas about the universe that they have no way of understanding are jacked up.

nabisco, Monday, 15 December 2008 20:53 (fifteen years ago) link

http://i33.tinypic.com/1z30z9f.jpg

flavors of funyun (Roberto Spiralli), Monday, 15 December 2008 20:54 (fifteen years ago) link

i hope one day she marries a nice jewish boy

soup kitchen electro (omar little), Monday, 15 December 2008 20:55 (fifteen years ago) link

They just had to give the poor kid a mullet, too, didn't they

nabisco, Monday, 15 December 2008 20:56 (fifteen years ago) link

totally fucked from the start. :(

i like his sweater though. what's that.. "thing". :)

Ludo, Monday, 15 December 2008 20:56 (fifteen years ago) link

nazi in disguise

pretty impressive war skills (gbx), Monday, 15 December 2008 20:58 (fifteen years ago) link

JoyceLynn Aryan Nation Campbel
Massive lol at this name

ianmaxwell, Monday, 15 December 2008 23:17 (fifteen years ago) link

Well, my daddy left home
when I was three
and he didn't leave much
for Ma and me
Just this old guitar and an empty bottle of booze.

B.L.A.M., Monday, 15 December 2008 23:24 (fifteen years ago) link

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081217/ap_on_fe_st/odd_hitler_cake

guys, false alarm. the parents are not racist, they just like how the names sound.

soup kitchen electro (omar little), Wednesday, 17 December 2008 01:51 (fifteen years ago) link

"There's a new president and he says it's time for a change; well, then it's time for a change," the 35-year-old continued. "They need to accept a name. A name's a name. The kid isn't going to grow up and do what (Hitler) did."

^^this is beautiful

the usic man from the hilarious ilx message boards (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 17 December 2008 01:56 (fifteen years ago) link

He said he was raised not to avoid people of other races but not to mix with them socially or romantically. But he said he would try to raise his children differently.

dont get how this is physically possible

the usic man from the hilarious ilx message boards (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 17 December 2008 01:57 (fifteen years ago) link

this dude is trolling using his own kids

the stickup man from the gripping "wire" television show (omar little), Wednesday, 17 December 2008 02:04 (fifteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

what's up with all these terrible-looking nazi movies lately?

good
defiance
the boy in striped pajamas
the reader
valkyrie
...more?

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Friday, 2 January 2009 18:01 (fifteen years ago) link

schindlers list, am i right

eman cipation s1ocklamation (max), Friday, 2 January 2009 18:01 (fifteen years ago) link

i mean like in the last 6 months. nazis are so hot right now.

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Friday, 2 January 2009 18:03 (fifteen years ago) link

Well, this is from an impeccably left-wing source, Alex Cockburn:

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn01102004.html

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, January 12, 2004 5:42 PM (4 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^^ lol young idiot

Jordan Sarging (Brohan Hari), Friday, 2 January 2009 18:04 (fifteen years ago) link

As Jesus said, "I am here but a little while; the Nazis you shall always have with you."

Aimless, Friday, 2 January 2009 18:14 (fifteen years ago) link

http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2009/01/01/man_shot_by_police_was_german

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=18028385

Dressing up as a Nazi and firing blanks on NYE is a good way to get killed apparently.

brotherlovesdub, Friday, 2 January 2009 18:38 (fifteen years ago) link

I get "D'oh! 404 Error We're sorry; the page you're looking for does not exist." on yr first link :(

I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE UP TO (Colonel Poo), Friday, 2 January 2009 19:20 (fifteen years ago) link

http://slog.thestranger.com/seattle/Home

should be top story

brotherlovesdub, Friday, 2 January 2009 19:23 (fifteen years ago) link

the story got reposted so the permalink should be /01/02 instead of 01/01 but whatever

brotherlovesdub, Friday, 2 January 2009 19:31 (fifteen years ago) link

Thanks. The date has changed to 2009/01/02 on the URL, that's why it wasn't working. xpost :)

I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE UP TO (Colonel Poo), Friday, 2 January 2009 19:34 (fifteen years ago) link

Goal You Would Like To Achieve This Year: Don't die

Its getting darker!!!!!!!!!! (clotpoll), Friday, 2 January 2009 19:36 (fifteen years ago) link

Some of them had very nice haircuts.

Pain don't hurt. (Pillbox), Friday, 2 January 2009 20:43 (fifteen years ago) link

two years pass...

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0107/breaking57.html

Hitler-mocking dog 'enraged Nazis'

all i gotta do is akh nachivly (darraghmac), Friday, 7 January 2011 16:55 (thirteen years ago) link

they were pretty stylin' tbf.

carles II of spain (max arrrrrgh), Friday, 7 January 2011 18:39 (thirteen years ago) link

Well, many of them were wearing Hugo Boss.

Le mépris vient de la tête, la haine vient du cœur (Michael White), Friday, 7 January 2011 19:09 (thirteen years ago) link

Certainly a fave concert for me was in the winter months leading up to the Gulf War II, Grant Hart was performing a pitiful dive bar in Chicago and started his set by saying, "at least the Nazi's had cool uniforms" - I think I was the only one laughing ...

BlackIronPrison, Friday, 7 January 2011 22:32 (thirteen years ago) link

six years pass...

In Trump's defense, in the thirties the US government did believe there were "moderate" Nazis, who were led by Hitler pic.twitter.com/BqSIUcOdnI

— Jon Schwarz (@tinyrevolution) August 15, 2017

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 16 August 2017 11:57 (six years ago) link

reasonable adolf hitler

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 16 August 2017 12:02 (six years ago) link

Hitler was quite a progressive in terms of animal welfare, just not much of a "people person".

calzino, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 12:12 (six years ago) link

the "radical" wing referred to is i assume the strasserite wing* of the nazi party, which was ostensibly hostile to capitalism and advocated the toppling of business and social elites: part of the (all too successful) purpose of the night of the long knives -- a manifestation of the "very definite struggle: referred to -- for hitler was to purge this wing and make himself more acceptable to orthodox conservatives and business leaders (gregor strasser was murdered in the NofLK) (his brother otto -- arguably more the architect of this line of thinking? -- was more ambivalent abt the party, only joining in 1925 and expelled in 1930, it which point he fled germany for czechoslovakia)

this fragment of US analysis does more or less channel the (wildly mistaken) position that von papen and von hindenberg took in 1933, that they would be the puppetmasters controlling hitler

*(both wings were of course committed to mystical nationalism and anti-semitism; and both wings were violent, too; i suppose you could argue the hitlerite wing was more treacherously effective in this instance, but i don't see that that lets strasserism off the hook)

mark s, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 12:23 (six years ago) link


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