this one is front-loaded with a bunch of obnoxious shit. The most glaring one to me wasn't the Michael Jackson or LGBT-car-trip jokes - it was the "what if I said I was a Chinese person that was trapped in a black man's body" bit (which he later says his own Asian wife finds offensive!) I don't think his comic chops have diminished at all, even the MJ shit is basically just a set-up for a p funny McAuley Culkin joke, but it's sad that he feels compelled to return to "controversial" topics on which he doesn't have anything insightful to say. I mean, the Culkin joke is funny, but it's also super-lazy. I think he's better with the more personal sort of long-form shaggy-dog-type stories that turn out to be really carefully constructed but in this special that stuff is undercut by his compulsion to "push the envelope" or whatever.
It's also sad to a comedian (or any public figure really) complaining about audience feedback in terms of "cancellation culture"/#metoo/pick yr "online movement". Cuz those complaints all boil down to "I liked it better when I didn't have to listen to other people". Social media has lowered the bar to the effort required for an audience to provide feedback, so now it's out there. Get over it.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 15:17 (four years ago) link
sad to SEE
xp
I turned this off in anger the other night, about the same time as ums
― FUCK YOUR POTATO (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 15:19 (four years ago) link
take the opposite view tbh xp
topics and views expressed are whatever, the shit isnt funny or clever
― theRZA the JZA and the NDB (darraghmac), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 15:20 (four years ago) link
did a rapping Irishman just son Dave CHappelle in an online beef
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 15:24 (four years ago) link
if thats what the discourse dictates happened i cant fight that
― theRZA the JZA and the NDB (darraghmac), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 15:25 (four years ago) link
you otm tho
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 15:39 (four years ago) link
for a guy who leans so hard into the whole above it all macho-comedian-as-philosopher-truthteller persona he really seems to get mad abt twitter stuff a lot
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 15:41 (four years ago) link
macho? that doesn't seem right
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 15:42 (four years ago) link
So if we, the Netflix viewers, don't like what he says on Netflix, that's our fault ("you clicked on my face"). But he, a HBO viewer didn't like what HBO said about Michael Jackson, and that HBO's fault? Like, "I felt like HBO was sticking baby dicks in my ear for four hours straight", and "I don't want to know all these things". So, audience feedback is only valid if the audience member is also a performer?
― trishyb, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 15:55 (four years ago) link
I should point out that that's not really a serious question, but yeah, like a lot of others, I made it about 15 minutes into this and couldn't stomach any more. I'm sure Chapelle is really upset to have lost my custom.
― trishyb, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 16:09 (four years ago) link
otm it's always such a bad faith argument
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 16:09 (four years ago) link
really? so much of his thing now is complaining about how women & gay ppl should stfu while wearing weird military-style jumpsuits, definitely a lot of weird macho energy in his persona imo
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 16:21 (four years ago) link
macho is surely understood as a mode of delivery
crank, sure
― theRZA the JZA and the NDB (darraghmac), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 16:26 (four years ago) link
...he weightlifts and almost never acts goofy, which had been big part of his comedic schtick
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 16:31 (four years ago) link
def hes gone more "dad of teenagers", tbh ive not seen him with his top off
― theRZA the JZA and the NDB (darraghmac), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 16:33 (four years ago) link
― wario in the streets, waluigi in the sheets (m bison), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 16:35 (four years ago) link
he'd be funnier if he changed his physical form in a way that I find more appealing
― del griffith, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 16:41 (four years ago) link
how long into this does he get into having a go at those damn "trannies"?
― Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 16:43 (four years ago) link
This is the crucial point, really.
― Pauline Male (Eric H.), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 16:54 (four years ago) link
I get how this can all work under the guise of the comedy of discomfort, but if you're already preempting objection, you're reinforcing the notion that ties it in explicitly with "not having a sense of humor." Which is a really closed-off position to work from in stand-up.
― Pauline Male (Eric H.), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 16:57 (four years ago) link
Yeah, I mean, from a strictly political/ethical standpoint the "celebrities are under attack" stance is dumb, the MJ truther stuff is irresponsible, the focus on trans people is getting to be a weird compulsion. He went from being a truthteller to a shock comic and it certainly lessens the impact of "Dave Chappelle, Cultural Icon"
That all said, like 80% of the special is laugh out loud hilarious and I think it's insane that people are trying to use "Dave's not funny anymore" as an actual argument
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 17:03 (four years ago) link
about 30 minutes
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 17:04 (four years ago) link
Whiney otm altho I'd put the hit-rate percentage a little lower personally (more like 60%, and mostly in the back half of the set)
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 17:05 (four years ago) link
like, all the stuff about guns/gun culture is v good
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 17:06 (four years ago) link
Dave's not at all insightful or even really speaking truth-to-power as much, but there's very few people on earth that can make me laugh as hard.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 17:06 (four years ago) link
there was two laughs as far as i got into it (mentioned jussie smollett) and i forget both of them
― theRZA the JZA and the NDB (darraghmac), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 17:08 (four years ago) link
v telling that if you search his name on Twitter (I do this to myself, I know), the ratio of people who actually want to "cancel" him (i.e. air any objections) to people who are like, "Dave has DESTROYED PC/cancel culture!!!"/"Dave doesn't give a fuuuuck!" is like 1:20 so it's just a bunch of people puffing out their chests at each other
also, the comedian who walked away from $$$$$ because he thought that white people were laughing at, not with him, to becoming this edgelord prick is incredibly fucking depressing, whether he's still funny or not
― self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 17:11 (four years ago) link
By the time the Q&A plays at the end of the special, Chappelle has already shown his unapologetic approach to courting controversy. His answers put that into even starker view. He says that a white woman left one of his practice sets for the special at The Punchline comedy club in San Francisco, telling him, "I'm sorry, I was raped." Chappelle says he replied with "It's not your fault you were raped. But it's not my fault either. Ta-ta, bitch," to which the audience laughs raucously, as though that were a real punchline.
Very cool! Good job, Dave.
― del griffith, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 17:19 (four years ago) link
lso, the comedian who walked away from $$$$$ because he thought that white people were laughing at, not with him, to becoming this edgelord prick is incredibly fucking depressing, whether he's still funny or not
so OTM, this is on my mind whenever he comes up
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 17:24 (four years ago) link
this shit sucked, a lot of funny moments but on the whole it just left a bad taste in my mouth
― boobie, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 18:11 (four years ago) link
same
― k3vin k., Thursday, 29 August 2019 11:37 (four years ago) link
Part of me just thinks he was trying to be as annoying as possible during this special as a fuck you to netflix and anyone giving him money for that shit.
also, i love 'cancel culture' but not the stupid term. who has time for all these assholes.
― Yerac, Thursday, 29 August 2019 13:29 (four years ago) link
Ok watched the all the way throughJust terrible honestly not one funny thing
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 5 September 2019 20:58 (four years ago) link
ums, if you don't find the gun riff funny please tell me what stand-up specials in the last 5 years are actually funny
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 5 September 2019 21:10 (four years ago) link
yeah the junkie break-in/gun story is def funny
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 September 2019 21:13 (four years ago) link
I laughed when he kept talking about this french actor, Juicy Smollé. The second half was far better than the first half.
― Yerac, Thursday, 5 September 2019 21:16 (four years ago) link
I found a lot of the problematic stuff technically "funny" even though I agree that it's problematic/punching down/ethically bad.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 5 September 2019 21:20 (four years ago) link
stuff like the LGBT car trip I was just like... c'mon Dave, why do you feel this is necessary?
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 September 2019 21:31 (four years ago) link
oh man, that was definitely not even a little funny.
― Yerac, Thursday, 5 September 2019 21:32 (four years ago) link
I'm guessing he feels it was "necessary" because of the negative criticism his past jokes about LGBT received. He's not gonna let the PC twitter mob stifle is comedic freedom!!
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 5 September 2019 21:38 (four years ago) link
its really sad how the PC police have shut down comedians like Dave Chappelle, you barely hear about them anymore
― frogbs, Thursday, 5 September 2019 22:25 (four years ago) link
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, September 5, 2019 4:10 PM (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
NEVER!!!!
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 6 September 2019 03:47 (four years ago) link
Hahahahahahahahaha
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 6 September 2019 05:10 (four years ago) link
I still crack up at his "exasperated" voice ("Rope?!") and found moments in the new one hilarious, but his standup is less physical than it used to be, there are fewer stories where he plays different characters, he doesn't bound around the stage like he did when he was younger. Bulking up has changed his delivery — that loose, light, cartoonish quality is mostly gone, and it's one of the things I loved most about him in the early days.
― dinnerboat, Friday, 6 September 2019 17:27 (four years ago) link
totally agree...that gets back to the discussion upthread of his current macho persona. I suppose it's foolish to expect him to be the same at 46 as he was at 30, but it's not a minor change imo. Very different performer now.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 6 September 2019 17:41 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tR6mKcBbT4
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 12 June 2020 12:43 (three years ago) link
His actual comeback special didn't do much for me, but this is really something else. I hope he does more of these - and I would not have anticipated my saying that even a few months ago.
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Friday, 12 June 2020 14:58 (three years ago) link
This is unbelievable. Holy shit.
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Friday, 12 June 2020 15:40 (three years ago) link
yeah, wow"fuck everyone in staten island except the wu tang clan" is bound to be a rallying cry in nyc
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 12 June 2020 16:43 (three years ago) link