No-name spunker: anonymity and sperm/egg donation

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Does a child have a right to know who their biological parent is. As a sperm donator in the early nineties I can see the new law coming in which would enable kids to trace their biological parents reallly putting off sperm and egg donors.

Were you a no-name spunker? How would you feel if eighty kids with your face on suddenly turned up at you door callin' you Daddy.

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 13:27 (twenty-two years ago)

How would you feel if eighty kids with your face on suddenly turned up at you door callin' you Daddy.

Busted.

Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 13:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I think it should be a choice. The donor should have the option to say whether they choose to be anoymous or not.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 13:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I agree with Pinkpanther. Eighty? What about 800? Or 80,000? How many sperm are there per ejaculation? And what's the maximum no. per donation that are ever used?

MarkH (MarkH), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 13:31 (twenty-two years ago)

What about the fertility doctor who fertilised every single one of his patients with his sperm?

the river fleet, Wednesday, 21 January 2004 13:33 (twenty-two years ago)

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robster (robster), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 13:35 (twenty-two years ago)

*shudders*

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 13:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Fuck I hope not. Especially if said donor was promised anonymity at the time and doesn't really want to come face to face with the living result of their own bad ethical actions. But yeah, I can see such a law being passed.

anonymous donor, Wednesday, 21 January 2004 13:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Law is being passed here, but not - at the moment - retroactive. I'm relatively ambivalent, it wouldn't annoy me too much if the fruits of my lack of labout were to contact me, but I do not think I have any sort of responsibility towards them. But I am sure it would put off plenty of people.

However there are lots of people born from yer regular sex who do not know who their real fathers are so this "right" that is being claimed seems a bit excessive. Also what about the familial father, who brings up the child born of donation. Asserting this right seems to suggest there is something primary about knowing ones genetic heritage.

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 14:11 (twenty-two years ago)

>>I agree with Pinkpanther. Eighty? What about 800? Or 80,000? How many sperm are there per ejaculation? And what's the maximum no. per donation that are ever used? <<

currently there is a maximum of 10 people you can spawn with your lovejuice donation - this is to minimise the chance of people unknowingly marrying their half-siblings.

But this can change as through this tracing people will now be able to find out whether your partner is biologically related to you.

What i wonder though, is does the father have a right of tracing their offsprings conceived through this?

As ron atkinson once said: If goalkeepers are allowed to move before a penalty is struck, then the striker should be allowed to stop. makes sense.

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 14:29 (twenty-two years ago)

What i wonder though, is does the father have a right of tracing their offsprings conceived through this?

I would say no definitely not. You have decided to donate your sperm for others or possibly a financial gain. You have not made the decision to have children & therefore surely to wave the right to any offsprings.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 14:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, but I did it with the knowledge that that is what they were probably going to use it for. If we had a optional anonymity then if I waive my anonymity I should be allow to stalk express and interest in it.

It was thirty quid a pop in 1992. Only allowed to do it three times.

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 14:34 (twenty-two years ago)

No I don't think so. If you want to know your children then have children, don't just donate your sperm. You are not necessarily considering the children in this.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 14:36 (twenty-two years ago)

But the children are getting right that I don't have. As the law stands at the moment if your mother gets pregnant and does not tell the father, and does not tell you - then you have no way of forcing that information out of her.

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 14:37 (twenty-two years ago)

If having that right bothers you, then don't donate your sperm, is what I am saying.
In your second sentence are you talking about everyday life, not sperm doning?

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 14:39 (twenty-two years ago)

The did not have that right when I donated. What about knowing who donated blood came from?

Yes, teh second sentence is the case in UK law at the moment and I think rightly so. Hence giving kids the right to find out their genetic heritage beyond certain anonymous basics (he was a 19 year old student from London) is giving a child of sperm donation more rights that the rest of us have.

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 14:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I think that whether the father was a 19 year old student or not, the child has a right to know. It was nothing more than a one night stand perhaps, but so be it. Surely it comes down to having the responsibility of having sex. There can be consequences sometimes.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 15:04 (twenty-two years ago)

SO why isn't someone proposing that bill re: one night stands? Of course I knew that my sperm would possibly be used to try to create life, wheras a drunken shag has different areas of "knoweldge". Mine was calculated, I wanted the money, it was quite funny and I did feel like I was helping someone. But I am not the father and any such children should demand nothing of me.

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 15:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I think we agreeing arent we? On the one night stand issue at least!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 15:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Not sure, are you saying children of one night stands should know who the daddy is, or not. (and what happens when it is practically impossible.) I think our society still puts far too much in store about biological heritage.

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 15:28 (twenty-two years ago)

haha, maybe we are still disagreeing actually. In short, children of one night stands should have the right to know their biological father. Children of a sperm donor should not have the right, imho.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 15:30 (twenty-two years ago)

That said, I think sperm donors should have the choice to be anonymous or have their details made available.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 15:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Children of rape of course may neve rhave this right. Problem here is it is bandying the word right around inappropriately.

What about the right of the mother to have privacy re: her sexual relationships.

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 15:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Children of rape is a completely different matter entirely.

Her rights are the same as the fathers in that they both cosented to sex (in the case of a one night stand for example) & therefore have to live with the consequences. They have to follow the child's wishes.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 15:39 (twenty-two years ago)

What if she said she was on the pill. Does consent to sex = consenting to have a child? And what of the mothers wishes if she does not want him in her life?

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 15:56 (twenty-two years ago)

It's consenting to the possibilites of a child surely.
She may not want the father in her life, but if her child wants to see their father then that should be allowed. Of course there are always going to be exceptions to this.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Consenting to sex is consenting to the possibility that there might be a child. Even the pill fails .5% of the time or something. Call me old fashioned, but if you can't take the responsibility for sex, you shouldn't be doing it. One night stands included.

However, I've read the article. It states plainly that there is no financial responsibility involved for the donor, and it will not be retroactive.

the river fleet, Wednesday, 21 January 2004 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)

otm, this was the point that I was trying to make!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 16:02 (twenty-two years ago)

The other half of it is, if you don't trust someone enough not to lie, (about being on the pill or such) then you shouldn't be in a relationship with them! (If it's not a relationship, then you should be taking your own responsibilities.)

the river fleet, Wednesday, 21 January 2004 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyway, this is completely off the topic by now.

I think things like genetic propensities, family medical histories are what they are really after with this non-anonymity. But if genetics are as advanced as they say they are, they can get that off the child's DNA without involving the donor!

the river fleet, Wednesday, 21 January 2004 16:06 (twenty-two years ago)

haha, maybe we are still disagreeing actually. In short, children of one night stands should have the right to know their biological father. Children of a sperm donor should not have the right, imho.

i can't see how this is different to sperm donation... what if during a one night stand they agree that if there was a child, then it has nothing to do with the bloke? if it's the child's right, why does it matter how the child was conceived?

anyway xxpost and off topic yes

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 16:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Because it's the difference between having sex & using a sperm donor.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 16:18 (twenty-two years ago)

i guess. one involves a test-tube and one doesn't.

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 16:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I suppose from the rights pooint of view I find it interesting that they are legislating in one area, without clearing up the other (ie concieved normally not knowing their father).

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 16:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, I was adopted, and have no desire to know who was my bio ma or pa; it's irrelevant to me. It bespeaks a kind of 'tell me the truth about myself' or 'I don't feel complete'. That's far more about the circumstanecs in the now than some 'right' to know, or automatic benefit form knowing. As a result, the only people who ic an see using it are people who find out that bio dad was a for-cash spunker and are utterly aghast or people who've always known and felt a lack.

In both, someone's life will be intruded upon by an individual who's likely to be needy; that's a responsibility to the spunker that they didn't ask for, didn't sign up for and wasn't part of the deal. Had it been in place, they might not have done it. Either That may or may not be right, but I don't see how it can be ethical to retrospectively alter the terms of the donation.

The only reason I can see for knowing is for illness (determining which illnesses one might have predisposition for) but this can surely be handled by an intermediary where one contacts a clinic who have a record on spunker which is regularly checked. Spunked child can check the lurgies that pa has might have passed on.

Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 16:39 (twenty-two years ago)

If one ever contacts me, it'll be "how's it hanging Spunk". If I remember rightly the intermediary thing is still link, anything relevant on my medical records would be forwarded.

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 17:03 (twenty-two years ago)


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