Taking sides: People who said "I love just about every film with Bill Murray in it" five years ago vs. people who say it now

The Virgin Suicides settled that for me...

i don't really understand this nick. i guess it's meant a touch jokey but still huh?

what's wrong w. being a hipster? is it just tht the type of ppl attracted to being a hipster tend to be irritating and / or dishonest? is being a hipster inherently dishonest cs you have to move on and deny yr '*so* geocities 1998' past? you get 'good' hipsters right?

apologies fr not really addressing yr questions but i'm curious.

Dude, Tracer, Scarlett's one FINE heina. That's reason enough. Movie opens with a shot of her butt.

Seconded!

A man who is tired of London is tired of life.

This is a terrible time-wasting lie.

Ten years pass, and now even the richest hipsters have gotten the message. Grand Royal has come and gone but its makers and posse have gone on to better things, their proper family businesses - like the Victorians, they are sent to the Colonies to bring civilisation and most importantly to colonise, only instead of India they're in gentrifying urban areas gathering cultural capital, watching work experience kids on their way down the mines. Likewise, that time spent rubbing shoulders with all these cool people and their ideas is absorbed, but Heaven help you if you go native like Edie Sedgwick. On the cusp of the Establishment, one of them says 'oh get Bill Murray.' Back in the new colonies, a number of first-wave hipsters agonise over their clash of warm feelings for the guy v long-harbored suspicions about his new employers.

I guess the thing with LIT is that this feels like Murray's first prime starring role for a long time rather than just being a supporting clod - even in 'Larger Than Life' he has to share that spotlight with an elephant. It's interesting that on the posters it's just Murray sitting on the bed, alone - they could have had the ass but no, it's just that little bit more about him.

cutting edge (pioneers, often laughed at, just viewed as weird or ridiculous)

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hipster choice (the point at which the media says something's cool, at which point the pioneers either move on cause the Sofia Coppolas of this world have got hold of it, or because they just get bored of it . Or maybe stick to their guns but perhaps don't go on about it cause that would look like they've only just discovered it)

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influence on wider population who don't care about being hip, but without admitting or knowing about it, tend to pick up on the same things they would have ridiculed a few years beforehand, and in a sense were right to.

Bill Murray was surely much 'cooler' a choice when he was in mainstream Hollywood fare. Big star becoming the toast of indie filmmakers is shooting one's load when it comes to hipster appreciation. It is a bad example, because Bill Murray is obviously great forever, but that doesn't stop me wincing when someone says that in a way that suggests it's a controversial, interesting taste kind of thing to say. So yeah, it's more about the proclamations than the choice itself.

Phillip Seymour Hoffman
Chris Morris (sorry Chris 'genius' Morris)

You didn't stop liking them (unless they went shit) but you stopped going on about them like you were clever for spotting this obscure character actor and dark, uncompromising genius.

I refuse to believe the general population have a clear idea who Philip Seymour Hoffman is.

At least somebody understands what I'm wittering on about.

So I suppose in a way I am disagreeing with Coppola if she was implying that the people who only started thinking Murray was cool now as opposed to five years ago are fools...because a) I doubt anybody really dislikes Murray so the issue of his popularity/coolness has little cause for debate unless...b) he has a big movie out, which he didn't five years ago

except it IS being debated/discussed - what i mean is everybody seems to feel the same way about him (at least in that when asked i can't imagine anybody saying 'oh...he sucks'), but that's different from being considered cool/hip/fashionable i guess.

ha, too right. cd you clarify exactly what the two sides are though, n.? are you basically against people claiming that things are new/exciting/controversial/etc when in fact they were a few years ago, and they only think they are cos they read it in the newspaper? something like that?

No, this was not meant to be a thread about Bill Murray. Thisis a thread about Bill Murray.

we wouldn't be the only ones. sorry if i misunderstood the point of this thread (i know it's not about Bill Murray but he has been the example presented), but again i appear to have not been the only one.

seems too reactionary - cool, like style, operates independently of fashion. it's easy to fall into the trap of equating fashionale with cool which is what a lot of people (myself included) do but i don't think there's that much harm in it.

You should also spell her last name right

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*Not* liking something because it is hip is as stupid as liking something merely because it's hip. I know that I'm guilty of this myself, but hey, I never claimed to be cool.

"....sure."

Bill Murray
Owen Wilson
Paul Newman
Walter Matthau
Sophia Loren
Dave Chappelle
Luis Guzman

that's just off the top of my head

"....sure."

A moment so great and wonderful that praise is not enough.

Ned, if you ever come visit me to the island (that is, if I don't escape first to NEVER come back), you're in for a TREAT. My dad usually greets my friends with machete in hand and a wild grin on his face. I SHIT YOU NOT.

"....sure."

A moment so great and wonderful that praise is not enough.

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Also, when the chiropractor is impersonating Bela Lugosi…

I vant to suck your blood…

Not let’s hear you call Boris Karloff a cocksucker!