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Today I was working from home. Predictably some might say this has involved me actually doing not a stroke of constructive work, for which I am getting paid. (I do feel quite bad about this, more for christ-where's-my-willpower-gone reasons than guilt reasons).

Is my case typical i.e. is working from home a skiver's charter? Or is the ideal a reality for some lucky and conscientious souls?

(PS The upshot of this is that no way must I spend all my time on ILE tomorrow so feel free to shout at me if I do.)

Tom, Tuesday, 16 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

possible reason feeling blue, tom? i worked at home for 2 months straight last year and came close to going bonkers. try picking up yr laptop and hoofing it to the park?

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 16 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

i do less work at "work" these days: currently i am blaming the taliban

mark s, Tuesday, 16 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

i blame the taliban for my inability to get past level 9 in nes tetris.

working at home = dud for me. 6 mos. of freelancing for aol and i was ready to comit hara kiri with a letter opener.

jess, Tuesday, 16 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

i write essays from home and do alot of my prep work from home . Teachers and Students do about half there work from home.

anthony, Tuesday, 16 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Ti ti tiki wikki! Whats it all mean Tom? destroy your desire

Mike Hanle y, Tuesday, 16 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Regardless of where I am, I get nothing done. At least, at home, I get stuff done that's important to me. And I avoid carcinogenic inhalants.

David Raposa, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I tend to postpone work when I am home. Because I would get a slap on the wrists if work wasn't done, I have to do it late at night.

Helen Fordsdale, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd like to be able to work from home...I used to say "maybe I could take some books home and catalogue them there...or e-mail the inter- library loan requests from the comfort of my room"...but, hmmmmmm, my job was never deemed important enough to be able to direct operations from my base.

james, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I worked from home two days a week for 12 months in my last job (until there was a change of management and such privileges were taken away). The dial-up connection was never fast enough to allow effective multi-tasking, so the Oracle, VMS, Outlook Express and MS Word sessions had to yield to the Web. Unfortunate, but there you go. I enjoyed the 4-hour 'lunch-breaks' most of all.

Always got stuff done though - often at 9pm on the Sunday night when server traffic was quiet and my conscience was playing up.

Michael Jones, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I tend to get a lot of dusting done. I've got a Ken Dodd 'tickling stick' now, so every cloud has a silver lining. Insect eradication can be quite time consuming too, and the cistern's got a troublesome leak that I'm going to have to try and sort out sooner or later. As a first step I have turned the water off at the stop-cock, just to make sure. Step 2 is a mystery. I might ponder it at lunchtime. I think I'll need to get some kind of watertight sealant, and I'm buggered if I'm going to waste a weekend doing that.

Peter Miller, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Working from home brings the worst insticts to the surface. That is, that housewife lurking in the subconscious region of any woman's mind after years of hearing 'tidy your room, you are worse than a bloke'. I always end up flicking through some dusty copy of Delia's, popping to Sainsbury's to purchase the ingredients and when the cooking is over, I decide it is better to get along to the office for a cup of coffee and a chat because that is really sad and we are in the 21st century and I should be more like Sarah Jessica and her mates

Laetitia, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

my brother got so mental when he was working at home (he's a web designer) that he made this website up about working from home! http://www.egrindstone.co.uk/ whenever i take a day off my real job to get stuff done at home (or work on my other stuff) i get nothing done. Apparently Magritte used to get up every morning and walk around the block as if he was leaving home and arriving at work, and he would do the same thing around teatime as if going home. Still he was rubbish at faces so what would he

ian scanlon, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

seven years pass...

working from home: classic
working from home when your flatmate has been made redundant and is mooching around the flat with his annoying boyfriend all day: DUD DUD DUD oh god just go awayyyyyyyyy

lex pretend, Friday, 8 May 2009 11:13 (eleven years ago) link

two months pass...

I twisted my knee playing football last night (that's why I'd stopped playing!), and couldn't walk properly today as a result, so I emailed in sick to work, and told them I had various things I'd do online and that I'd be available via email and my work mobile. As result I've actually been marked down as "home working" today rather than on sick leave.

This is the first time I've done this (although I do, if off sick or on leave, generally check work emails reasonably regularly - especially when I was off after my hernia operation for instance), and it's been surprisingly productive; I've organised as many if not more things as I would have done had I been in the office, sent a gazillion emails chasing various things, edited a load of copy, drafted some new web pages, AND had a nap and stroked the cats. And all while wearing a pair of shorts and a t-shirt that are full of holes and not fit to be seen in public.

I can't make my face turn into a heart (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 30 July 2009 14:41 (ten years ago) link

three years pass...

i'm working from home today and it is fucking amazing.

-shouting abuse at co-workers who can't hear you in response to their emails
-singing along to records
-cooking your own lunch
-not bothering to pretend to work if there's a lull or you're done by 1600
-no commute obviously

Ballboy to Afghanistan (LocalGarda), Friday, 15 February 2013 13:04 (seven years ago) link

one year passes...

I have been working from home for almost four years. I can only see advantages. If you're office based and you have Skype, Webex and so forth I really don't see any reason *not* to. The people who still insist on buying or renting huge energy consuming, Earth destroying office space (space which could be used so much more constructively, be it for housing, parkland or given back to nature) are truly behind the curve.

What I'm interested in -- and I'm interested to know if there has been research in these areas:

(a) Has anyone done serious calculations of how much energy we could save (inter)nationally if everyone who *could* work from home did so and secondly,

(b) from a sociological point of view, the focus has been on the negative ("you can't get to know/work properly with people who don't see and physically interract with, ergo groups of home working people are doomed to failure") but shouldn't we also consider the flipside, that home working allows for people to be judged on their true merits, rather than the ad hominem nasty stuff that comes to the fore when people have to share a space?

Grandpont Genie, Monday, 28 July 2014 20:53 (five years ago) link

Heh, my wife just started doing this full-time and has liked it so far.

On the opposite end of the spectrum, a couple people at my office must have asked about the possibility because the partners sent out this really passive-aggressive email at the start of the year about how it will never be a possibility here because, basically, "it is impossible to believe that anyone could work productively out of their home". It was just laughably obnoxious and reductive about any possible benefits. (Of course, several months later one of the partners' favorites moved to Texas with her husband and was suddenly approved to work "remotely")

Bus Sex Teen Busted After Queef Beef (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 28 July 2014 20:57 (five years ago) link

five years pass...

I don't ever want to do it

with my immunocompromised status and the virus terror, I may have to

BUT

the plantation I contract for, at a pitiful wage, uses a "VPN" that requires use of your

PHONE

which I do not have and do not want

fuck apps, fuck texts

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 March 2020 04:51 (two months ago) link

is that app PingID?

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 March 2020 04:52 (two months ago) link

no

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 March 2020 04:56 (two months ago) link

Full time wfh since Oct 2012. Best thing ever. Makes work not suck. Def still look forward to the weekends but I no longer dread Monday. Limits my "advancement" options but I don't care; if I could maintain current position now thru retirement I'd be thrilled.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 12 March 2020 05:03 (two months ago) link

makes personal traveling mid-week possible. it's harder now that I changed roles, but when I was working in implementations, all they cared about is that I worked, not where I worked from, so sometimes I'd head out of town mid week and bring my laptop.

did manage to go to Vegas midweek last year because i had no classes that week

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 March 2020 05:04 (two months ago) link

I’m starting to wonder whether spending £4500 a year on train tickets so I can commute to London, sit in an office and have web conferences with my colleagues and customers around the world is the most productive use of my time and money. The big problem with working from home ime is that it is much harder to put a cap on the day. I’m more likely to agree to 7pm meetings or answer emails at 10pm than I am if I have physically left my place of work.

ShariVari, Thursday, 12 March 2020 07:06 (two months ago) link

Full time WFH since May 2015. It is definitely harder to put a cap on the day, though I don't really have meetings or emails to answer (I'm a web dev)

Its the job content itself as much as the WFH but I've changed around my perspective to not see work in terms of hours or blocks of time like this, but blocks of stuff that I need to have built by the end of the week or month. This means the delineation between own time and work time is more entwined. Mentally I'm kind of always at work but also never at work, I don't know if its better or not but I don't miss my 90 minute each way commute!

cherry blossom, Thursday, 12 March 2020 07:23 (two months ago) link

I feel a lot of the risk could have been mitigated if more organisations were better at actually allowing people to work staggered or different hours - fewer people on public transport at peak times, less crowding on train/tube platforms (can’t count the number of times I’ve been in a crush of a few hundred people waiting to get on a tube train) and management doesn’t have to pretend it cares about having a coherent wfh policy. My parents have never worked more than ten minutes from where they live and I envy them.

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Thursday, 12 March 2020 07:56 (two months ago) link

I feel a lot of the risk could have been mitigated if more organisations were better at actually allowing people to work staggered or different hours - fewer people on public transport at peak times, less crowding on train/tube platforms (can’t count the number of times I’ve been in a crush of a few hundred people waiting to get on a tube train) and management doesn’t have to pretend it cares about having a coherent wfh policy. My parents have never worked more than ten minutes from where they live and I envy them.

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Thursday, 12 March 2020 07:56 (two months ago) link

WFH today. Probably one of many. Technically I am a 'remote worker' anyway, having been made one about a year ago, but I still come into the office as it's about 10 mins cycle away. Frankly I've nowhere to work at home - I have a small desk in my room that's uncomfortable to sit at, and my sofa and kitchen table are no better.

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Thursday, 12 March 2020 09:58 (two months ago) link

been asked to supply emergency contact info at work in case of

lol

"adverse weather closing the office"

politics is the art of what cannot be said etc

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Thursday, 12 March 2020 10:10 (two months ago) link

The big problem with working from home ime is that it is much harder to put a cap on the day. I’m more likely to agree to 7pm meetings or answer emails at 10pm than I am if I have physically left my place of work.

We have a pretty flexible working culture with a lot of working from home and honestly it's great, but it only works if you're prepared to treat people like grown-ups. TBH I'd retain the same boundaries as you do in the office. I don't especially mind working a bit later if I'm not going to be commuting home, but if you do have a 7pm meeting what's to stop you taking a longer lunch break or similar. As long as you get the work done when you're supposed to, who cares?

International meetings make things harder, but one way psychologically to put a cap on the day is just to make a clean break by immediately doing something that absolutely says to yourself I Am Not At Work Any More. Cooking, opening a beer, playing a video game, whatever. If you just start tapering off it becomes very easy to get dragged back into it.

Matt DC, Thursday, 12 March 2020 11:01 (two months ago) link

I'm a freelancer, about 80% of my work is on-site at various places, just had my first conversation this morning about an office shutdown, guessing that most everywhere else will follow, shit is going to get tight.

Maresn3st, Thursday, 12 March 2020 11:07 (two months ago) link

no wonder u ppl are on ilx all fucking day

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 March 2020 11:08 (two months ago) link

Been WFH since 2017. Love it. Possibly starting a 9-5 office job on Monday, though, and not sure how I feel about that (besides “thanks for the money”)...

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 12 March 2020 11:18 (two months ago) link

The lifeblood of ILX the entire internet is bored office workers, moreso without the office.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 12 March 2020 11:32 (two months ago) link

its a turning point in history

mark s, Thursday, 12 March 2020 12:25 (two months ago) link

in a bad way

mark s, Thursday, 12 March 2020 12:25 (two months ago) link

let's run all the megapolls we've been fantasising about

strangely hookworm but they manage ream shoegaze poetry (imago), Thursday, 12 March 2020 12:29 (two months ago) link

i hope office buildings empty out like suburban malls and are repurposed into affordable housing.

Yerac, Thursday, 12 March 2020 12:56 (two months ago) link

Does anyone do this with kids in the house? Seems kind of impossible without turning child into tv zombie

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 12 March 2020 12:59 (two months ago) link

Looks like this will be me from next week, or even maybe tomorrow. My plan is to move to the conservatory and stock up on educational software / film downloads for them.

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:03 (two months ago) link

I cannot work with kids disturbing me, this is going to be hard.

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:03 (two months ago) link

turn child into book and board game zombie imo

my carrom board is finally gonna get some use, v excited to get good

strangely hookworm but they manage ream shoegaze poetry (imago), Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:04 (two months ago) link

i hope office buildings empty out like suburban malls and are repurposed into affordable housing.

― Yerac, Thursday, 12 March 2020 12:56 (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

otm

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:07 (two months ago) link

I wish I could find that faux-pamphlet from a few years back about an office building gradually turning into an overgrown post-apocalyptic ecosystem

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:13 (two months ago) link

I've worked from home for almost 19 years. I expect it to all come crashing down around my ears any day now.

Miami weisse (WmC), Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:14 (two months ago) link

i don't maintain much of a social circle outside of work (mostly just my wife, my parents, and my cat) so I do think I benefit from the social aspects of coming into an office every day and interacting with people. i'm lucky in my position that I typically don't HAVE to do much interacting in any given day if I don't feel like it, but if I do then there are always people around who want to shoot the shit.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:14 (two months ago) link

Does anyone do this with kids in the house? Seems kind of impossible without turning child into tv zombie

i do but there's always another carer around. she (child not carer) occasionally comes up to spin around on my chair but generally respects the sanctity of the office space.

Paperbag raita (ledge), Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:20 (two months ago) link

that sanctity in full:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKxqy9SJ-0I

mark s, Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:25 (two months ago) link

Spare a thought for us poor sods who can't work from home, we're dead.

God gave toilets rolls to you, gave toilet rolls to you (Tom D.), Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:26 (two months ago) link

My first day of working at home. Not without its downsides, but I did watch an episode of Kojak during my lunch hour, and so without coronavirus I would possibly never known about this meeting of the titans

https://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/images/reviews/190/1346970079_6.jpg

Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 20:33 (two months ago) link

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Three Hundred Pounds of Almond Joy (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 6 April 2020 23:00 (one month ago) link

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Three Hundred Pounds of Almond Joy (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 6 April 2020 23:00 (one month ago) link

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Three Hundred Pounds of Almond Joy (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 6 April 2020 23:03 (one month ago) link

Third time is the charm - jackpot!

Three Hundred Pounds of Almond Joy (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 6 April 2020 23:03 (one month ago) link

Teams isnt so bad - someone was talking to me the other day and got frustrated he couldnt explain what he meant and said "hang on a sec" and just started sharing his screen in the chat window and showed me.

The group videoconf in it is also pretty solid, we've been using it for daily standup meetings in our little team, which usually devolve into "I cant by any flour" "I keep telling you, go to the indian grocers" every morning.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 6 April 2020 23:08 (one month ago) link

Sitting on the sofa behind the other half as he has a work video call.

Carefully shuffled over to the side of the sofa that should be just out of view, but intermittently find myself nodding my head along to music on headphones or rubbing my nose (don't touch the face! and definitely don't do it in a way that might look like picking yr nose on someone else's video call) and having to remind myself not to do that, just in case

a passing spacecadet, Tuesday, 7 April 2020 09:19 (one month ago) link

had to fight myself from snapping today. i have a hard time with constantly being interrupted and there was zero flow today because WebEx audio was so bad, and still not everybody's tech working.

would be nice if I could chuck whatever curriculum I felt like but now we're four hours behind in a mere two days which i somehow have to make up.

i stopped caring mid-day and just phoned the shit in. then my mom tells me she quit her job and my brother is messaging me frantic worried she won't get her unemployment and I'm just like...you gotta wait bruh.

Bo Johnson Coviddied (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 7 April 2020 22:03 (one month ago) link

Almost lost my shit at a manager this morning.

My boss's boss asks me out of the blue to pick five learners to yank out of my class and move into a 401k class, suggesting I should ask their manager if any of them have relevant experience. Boss's boss nags me about it end of day. A bit annoying, as my partner was out so I was leading the class alone, but I survey the managers and tell her I will have 5 names in the morning.

I come in to find out the learner's manager had forwarded my survey to his boss, who anxiously CCed one of our ops managers, Kevin, saying he wasn't sure how we could do it.

So the ops manager dresses me down in a two paragraph essay for reaching out to Kevin before her (which I didn't even fucking do). So I defendes myself and said I did exactly as my boss's boss said to do, and I didn't send it to Kevin. Boss's boss admitted fault and called her to explain that it was her goof.

Yet still no fuckin' apology from the person who humiliated me in front of peers because she didn't bother to obtain facts before blaming me.

Christ, i know we're stressed, but when I copped a negative attitude on Tuesday, I apologized to everybody without them even asking that evening. Just cos we're all in the shit doesn't mean you get to step on me. You had PTO yesterday. Mine was almost all cancelled this month!

genital giant (Neanderthal), Friday, 10 April 2020 19:10 (one month ago) link

I horribly mangled the details but you get the idea

genital giant (Neanderthal), Friday, 10 April 2020 19:11 (one month ago) link

I 100% get the idea.

I think a lot of people are ending up on each other's shit lists under these conditions, because they aren't accustomed to working like this.

Somebody shared this with me the other day, I thought it made some good points: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/its-pandemic-work-from-home-brad-judy/

Like many organizations this week, mine sent out the message that all employees who did not need to be on site should stay at home. As a manager and leader in my organization, I have been thinking a lot about what this means. I have read many comments from peers across the country who were excited that this surge of remote work would allow companies to see the value to employees and increased productivity. Pandemic work is unlikely to play out that way.

El Tomboto, Friday, 10 April 2020 19:20 (one month ago) link

I definitely think there's truth to that because those of us who have WFH for years, like me, are relatively well-adjusted to it, but that's a fraction of us.

I just need to be RIFed already. I've stuck around because seniority and performance has gotten me to a salary that I won't get for this work elsewhere (I've tried - they all pay much less. I'm paid more for my reputation than the role at this point).

But maybe the massive severance and finding something else is in the cards

genital giant (Neanderthal), Friday, 10 April 2020 19:37 (one month ago) link

Yes, I think some WFH advocates (especially those with disabilities and/or kids) have been, I think, prematurely saying "SEE? We TOLD you we could work remote but you didn't believe us."

I know I'm not working at 100% - I'm stressed as fuck, barely sleeping, and also maybe a little bit terrified of dying. So I have made a couple stupid bonehead mistakes at work and am still kicking myself about them. The groups of people I interact with are pretty dysfunctional as well, and collaboration is suffering. I fear that some employers will say "SEE? We TOLD you that remote work isn't as good as being in an office.

Both interpretations are incomplete because lots of jobs are a mix of things that can/should be done in person and things that can/should be done at home.

Also once the pandemic is behind us, at least some people will likely be eager to go back to work, just for the novelty factor.

cuomo money, cuomo problems (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 10 April 2020 19:41 (one month ago) link

thx for that link el tomboto, good points indeed.

the standard rulebook has been consigned to the shredder.

lefal junglist platton (wtev), Sunday, 12 April 2020 06:01 (one month ago) link

I know I'm not working at 100% - I'm stressed as fuck, barely sleeping

i'm at 50 at best, probably less, and have the same collateral ymp. hang in there.

lefal junglist platton (wtev), Sunday, 12 April 2020 06:02 (one month ago) link

I’m lucky enough to have a boss who’s said that he doesn't expect anyone to work full days, and people with kids even less. And he's requiring everyone to take three days of leave before the end of May. If you have less than 30 days of leave left you can take "exceptional leave" which doesn't count against your total. Yes there is a strong history of unionisation at my work.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 12 April 2020 09:28 (one month ago) link

Microsoft is giving ppl 12 weeks of parental leave, which they can use in a chunk or in little bits at a time.

Fleetwood Machiavelli (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 12 April 2020 10:49 (one month ago) link

So yeah, the internet on our block is dead again and AT &T is backlogged wrt reps visits, so for five days I have to use my cell for meetings and such and I need a new cell cos this ones too cheap. I don't have all the equipment I need and basically have to transfer all files to my cell then upload them. On top of it all I have back and shoulder pain because ergonomics. Now I need furniture upgrades. There goes my stimulus check. This is a fucking disaster. No point in complaining I mean every time I go online someone died. By the time this is over, being confined all day will be a traumatizing memory - no thanks.

Alpha 666, The Number of the Beast (I M Losted), Sunday, 12 April 2020 13:49 (one month ago) link

My company is stretching my patience. On the one hand, they've done well in a number of areas. There's a <Company Name> People Matter fund (I really REALLY don't like that they co-opted BLM, but....), and it pays $200 to those who are in need and apply. They are allowing people to use sick leave (which they already provide) when they can't come in, I mean....as far as other companies go, they're doing better than many of them in that regard. and they've moved something like 90% of our call center operations to work from home.

But there's just other little things that piss me off. for instance, the new 401(k) withdrawal that the IRS allows. No peep on this from them, so I finally piped up a second time and asked, and someone from HR told me they were aware of the provision, and were looking into whether to allow it or if what they currently had available for their 401(k) was sufficient. I was flummoxed because this plan only allows 1 loan at a time (and obviously loans are problematic due to it shrinking their paychecks to pay it back), and also, if you're under 59.5, unless you've made significant after-tax/Roth contributions over a specific minimum, your only withdrawal opportunity is a Safe Harbor Hardship, which by law you can only take for prevention of eviction/foreclosure, Funeral/burial expenses, purchase of a primary residence, unreimbursed medical expenses, tuition reimbursement, or unforseen damage to home.

But there's also supporting paperwork that requires being sent in, so it can take up to two weeks to see money (due to time needed to receive and return paperwork, and processing, and standard payment timing). also, it doesn't cover other reasons, such as "my significant other is out of work and is eligible for state/federal unemployment, but the state they live in is very backed up on processing claims, so until we get that money, we are struggling to eat", or "I had to take an unpaid FMLA leave to care for a sick relative who has COVID, so neither of us are getting paid, and we're waiting forever for unemployment", or "yeah, I can't be evicted right NOW, but I don't want to emerge from this in the winter and owe my landlord $5,000 that I can't pay". and it doesn't require paperwork, so the money would come sooner (our standard withdrawals are paperless). I feel like there was no reason not to adopt this other than they don't want their employees pulling money out of the plan. whereas my mother's company already has it available online.

and, they're not cutting us any slack right now. almost all of the training to get people who are working from home ready to go has fallen on my team. We're understaffed due to a RIF last year, and they froze hiring so we could not replace who we lost. Prior to this, none of us had experience with training CCRs who work from home, or even know how their VPN works. Despite this, no adjustments were made to the training schedule, they want us to finish in the allotted time we were given even though we sometimes start 2-4 hours late on Day 1 due to all of the technical problems. and they don't want the quality of the training to suffer. even though we're all largely distracted and aren't operating at 100%

When we told them about the technical issues on day 1 of the last two classes, the solution from leadership is "well these technical issues were probably a fluke and probably won't happen again" (they did! they aren't a fluke!). Also, after 25+ years of our IT being in-house, we outsourced it in 2018 when we spun off, and the current IT is overwhelmed to where tickets sit unanswered for weeks. I'm not an IT person, nor are any of us, so any problems we can't figure out sit unresolved for weeks, with learners and their managers frustrated and asking us what the holdup is. They gave us a workaround that allowed us to submit tickets by email, and....nobody does anything with them.

But more frustratingly, these IT folk keep claiming they called the people who started the ticket, despite their phones never ringing. or they say they tried the number, and they got a busy signal (which they claimed despite calling CELL phones), or that it says invalid number. Some of these resources are overseas and it's clear that they don't know how to dial internationally and none of their managers are telling them how, so we've had to resort to "FINE, let us call YOU, or create a Skype meeting".

years ago, when we were called something else, Florida got hit with 4 hurricanes in one season in 04, and they gave everybody a day off to take to spend at home cleaning up, as well as allowing people more time off as needed if they were more severely hit. they didn't care how it hurt operations.

nowadays, they only care about how we serve our clients. if a client is bitching about interruptions to service because they're 1% shitbirds who don't have sympathy, we apologize and say "we'll fix it", when we used to just tell them to "piss off" when we were a private company. hell, I had to listen to Birther clients go on a racist rant, only to hear one of our employees agree with him loudly, while my eyes bugged out, angry.

my boss is cool and he's one of the most empathetic people I know, but thinking of asking him "hey y'all need to cut budget? can I be your sacrificial lamb"? I could spend time at home with my father, and i'd get 30 weeks of severance.

genital giant (Neanderthal), Sunday, 19 April 2020 22:17 (one month ago) link

Our online course curriculum timeout malfunctions.

It doesn't time you out after 15 minutes of inactivity. It times you out after 15 minutes... regardless!

So you are in the middle of presenting and the "you will be timed out" pops up even though you've been using it the whole time

genital giant (Neanderthal), Friday, 24 April 2020 17:39 (one month ago) link

That happens with our main internet-based system. Then the message is "you have been the portal!", leaving out the "logged out of" part. Really instills confidence in the 3rd party vendor who created and maintains it.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 24 April 2020 17:47 (one month ago) link

WebEx: "The meeting has ended."

Persons with approximately Catholic upbringing: "Let us go in peace."

stone cold jane austen (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 24 April 2020 18:13 (one month ago) link

Our online course curriculum timeout malfunctions.

It doesn't time you out after 15 minutes of inactivity. It times you out after 15 minutes... regardless!

So you are in the middle of presenting and the "you will be timed out" pops up even though you've been using it the whole time

― genital giant (Neanderthal), Friday, April 24, 2020 10:39 AM (thirty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

this is a weirdly common issue with videoconferencing/streaming for some reason

COVID and the Gang (jim in vancouver), Friday, 24 April 2020 18:15 (one month ago) link

a supervisor has finally gotten her new email set up and just sent everyone a very confusing and badly written email as a google doc attached to the email, rather than just an email. another has sent out an invitation for a google meet with no subject for the meeting. then she sent another for the same time and it is called "wellness check." tbh i need more wellness checks when we are not working from home and doing nothing. i would probably cry at them though. lol i'm quitting this job soon.

forensic plumber (harbl), Monday, 27 April 2020 22:13 (four weeks ago) link

On the positive side: I haven't had to commute by bus during all the rain we've been having.
On the negative side: Coping when there's no work and I'm longing to take a nap. Protestant Work Ethic FTL.

Life is a banquet and my invitation was lost in the mail (j.lu), Thursday, 30 April 2020 12:58 (three weeks ago) link

i gave in and took a mid day nap yesterday, don't want to get into the habit of that but it really was needed. and i ended up having to work until 7pm anyway, so it evened out

global tetrahedron, Thursday, 30 April 2020 13:44 (three weeks ago) link

I have been taking FULL advantage of the ability to nap

That said I'm never as tired. Probably because I don't have the stress of 2 hrs of London transport to deal with!

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 30 April 2020 13:52 (three weeks ago) link

These past two weeks have really been overwhelming and I've been working harder and much longer hours that I have in the past few years. Given that my position is tangentially involved in getting a campus ready for students to return into the fall, we are jumping through hoops and exploring worst case scenarios in how to plan for social distancing in the future. Which I get, but it's a lot. And I'm feeling the strain, compounded with any of the usual self care things having evaporated and the weather having been shit for the past four days so I haven't even been able to get out for a walk. Any free time gains I had by erasing my half hour commute on either end has been obliterated by my working hours extending 1-2 hours in either direction.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 30 April 2020 14:21 (three weeks ago) link

that's not fair. somebody else has got to help or your boss has got to understand that things will just go slower. we're living through an insane crisis. i know, easy for me to say, but really.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 30 April 2020 14:53 (three weeks ago) link

To be fair, my boss gets it, it's really our whole department that is overwhelmed and stretched thin right now. He's actually working to try and readjust expectations for the higher ups to be more reasonable, but it's the age old story. Orders come from above to figure out how to accommodate all of our students assuming 30% max occupancy in classrooms and they think it's adjusting a few lines on a spreadsheet, not actually pulling up floor plans for every building and doing multiple furniture layouts, etc etc etc. Summer is usually our busy time anyway, but this just adds to the stress. I'm reminding myself that I'm fortunate to even have a job... just this week in particular I can feel the cumulative effects catching up to me.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 30 April 2020 14:59 (three weeks ago) link

2 positives of zoom meetings:

- they start on time. or at least closer to when they're supposed to start than in-person meetings.

- tedious conversation dominators have less of an opening to ply their trade. it does still happen sometimes but their arsenal of f2f techniques for bulldozing everyone doesn't work nearly as well. with zoom/hangouts/teams etc the limitations of the technology encourage each person to have their 'turn', almost like they're holding the 'talking stick' at a hippie pow wow. it's much more obvious when someone gets interrupted.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 4 May 2020 10:01 (three weeks ago) link

Our Monday morning meeting always begins with 10-15 minutes of "how was your weekend?" talk, and always runs 30-60 minutes over time; it's supposed to be 9-10:30 and it sometimes ends as late as 11:30, wasting the entire morning.

but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 4 May 2020 12:11 (three weeks ago) link

Any way to politely ask for the invite to either be adjusted or the meeting to end on time? I get furious at stuff like this - it feels completely disrespectful of everyone's time. As if there's nothing else to do.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 4 May 2020 12:19 (three weeks ago) link

v glad there's a general culture of no-longer-than-needed meetings at my work. the standard meeting time is 30 mins.

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Monday, 4 May 2020 12:25 (three weeks ago) link

I have been taking FULL advantage of the ability to nap

I will miss these siestas

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Monday, 4 May 2020 12:26 (three weeks ago) link

I'm an inveterate napper and am taking full advantage.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Monday, 4 May 2020 12:40 (three weeks ago) link

I think I'm actually missing the fitness center at my workplace--my back has been bothering me, maybe because I'm not lifting weights currently?

Life is a banquet and my invitation was lost in the mail (j.lu), Monday, 4 May 2020 12:43 (three weeks ago) link

goblet squats!

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 4 May 2020 13:42 (three weeks ago) link

definitely been taking advantage of the ability to nap during the day, easy enough to make up the difference with work in the evenings/weekends since there's no sports to watch anyway. i even canceled my Sling a couple of weeks ago because sports was the only reason I had it anyway, though I am already regretting it a tiny bit because now I can't watch the Jordan doc series on ESPN.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Monday, 4 May 2020 13:50 (three weeks ago) link

I went for a piss during a meeting today and no-one noticed.

Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Monday, 4 May 2020 14:34 (three weeks ago) link

Our Monday morning meeting always begins with 10-15 minutes of "how was your weekend?" talk, and always runs 30-60 minutes over time; it's supposed to be 9-10:30 and it sometimes ends as late as 11:30, wasting the entire morning.

This is indeed the worst. We have a department meeting every other week that is often interminable. It was originally scheduled for an hour, but it kept running way over. The organized bumped it up to 90 minutes for the invite and now we routinely pass two to two and a half hours. There's probably 30 minutes of good material every week, the rest is small talk, idle complaining and the rest of us essentially sitting in on conversations that should be one-on-ones. Unfortunately this is my entire department and run by my boss' boss, so little more than just grinning and bearing it every two weeks.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 4 May 2020 14:38 (three weeks ago) link

I hate small talk in meetings band often bail when meetings run over even if i don't have another scheduled after

genital giant (Neanderthal), Monday, 4 May 2020 14:43 (three weeks ago) link

I went for a piss during a meeting today and no-one noticed.

pro bathroom break tip: turn off your wifi and turn it back on when you return. "oh my wifi blipped"

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Monday, 4 May 2020 14:50 (three weeks ago) link

do y'all work at places where it's not ok to say "sorry i need to step away for a minute?"

call all destroyer, Monday, 4 May 2020 14:58 (three weeks ago) link

Oh yeah, we can step away - I do that during the current Zoom versions, and during the real ones. But since it's our entire department, it's really frowned upon to skip out on a portion of the meetings.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 4 May 2020 14:59 (three weeks ago) link

I write "brb" in the chat

genital giant (Neanderthal), Monday, 4 May 2020 15:01 (three weeks ago) link

do y'all work at places where it's not ok to say "sorry i need to step away for a minute?"

― call all destroyer, Monday, 4 May 2020 15:58 (thirteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I could do that but two guys were talking at/past each other and with all the lack of social cues and accidental interruptions that audio only brings - so I figured correctly that I could step away unannounced.

Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Monday, 4 May 2020 15:14 (three weeks ago) link

But even when i forget, unless I'm on the agenda as presenting, nobody cares if i step away to take a leak. If somehow i got called on in the 2 minutes i was gone, i answer it when I'm back

genital giant (Neanderthal), Monday, 4 May 2020 15:19 (three weeks ago) link

My Webex app froze up today and I had to force quit - when I came back two minutes later nobody had noticed. I'm sure I could take a bathroom break and upon my return, blame technical difficulties, if needed.

but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 4 May 2020 15:53 (three weeks ago) link

The dude leading my webex infoshare right now has apparent never heard of consonants, so he sounds like he's chewing on taffy.

It got so bad Chief Keef joined the meeting to complain.

genital giant (Neanderthal), Monday, 4 May 2020 16:01 (three weeks ago) link

two weeks pass...

we're getting pounded right now due to COVID fucking up our staffing and upper management unable to accept that things can't be business as usual due to a global pandemic. We usually had a practice of having a week off of training whenever a class ends, to give us time to rest our voices, prepare for next class, special projects. And, this is typically our slow part of the season.

Instead, we've all been in back to back classes for over two months, were told we couldn't take any new PTO in March or April beyond what was already approved before shit hit the fan. and they told us not to expect it to slow down anytime soon, and filled our schedules up for May and June before most of us could find time to take PTO. I lucked out and am taking a week in late June.

by the time we get to busy season in September, we're all going to be gassed. thankfully travel is banned for the year due to budget.

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Monday, 18 May 2020 22:22 (one week ago) link


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